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A DIMM Future for RAM Bundles
VeggiePossum23 writes "PC WORLD has an article about rising concerns that computer manufacturers will be cutting the amount of bundled RAM they sell with their PCs owing to rising prices of dynamic memory. The article claims that spot pricing shows a rise of almost $15.00 for 256MB modules of DDR DRAM in some markets. According to a Reuters article on ZDNet, the price rises are caused by shortage of memory chips, and this is causing the prices of memory to raise at the fastest rate in four years. Even Intel is said to be worried at the overall trend of price hikes for all types of memory. The Inquirer has a similiar article from a couple of weeks ago which includes a chart showing how the third-party memory manufacturers are doing. Kingston tops the chart for revenue."
glad I just upgraded. Even if it increases 15.00 dollars its still so much cheaper than it used to be.
Let's see... it's a false silicon shortage created for the purpose of invading... um... no, wait: Bush's Saudi oil-family buddies are artificially driving production down, resulting in a... er, wait, how about this one: it's a Pentagon ploy to reduce civilian computing power and prevent blogs from getting the truth out about the phony oil war.
That'll do. Another Slashdot truth is created.
IMHO the reduction won't affect serious computer users except in terms of the cost. If it costs me $50 more to get the 1GB of DDR RAM, well, I'll probably pay it.
Where it will hurt people is the technologically illiterate, who simply take the default Dell configuration or whatever and then wonder why their systems are always low on RAM.
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A lot of the shortage has to do with the fact that companies are not starting to split their resources between DDR and DDR2. Between that, and the fact that it seems like companies may buy lots of replacement computers this year (2001 was the last strong year for purchasing, and 3-year replacement cycles are typical).
So yea, be prepared to pay higher prices for gas, milk (and associated dairy products like ice cream), meat, RAM and who knows what else this year.
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If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.
You mean that they are again artificially forcing up the price of RAM?
RAM prices are like oil prices, they have nothing to do with supply and demand but instead, are controlled by some secret or not so secret cartel.
Ewe shouldn't make baad ram jokes, they make others feel sheepish.
Ok how come the toaster manufacturers and automobile manufacturers don't seem to have this supply and demand problem? I chose these two because one seems pretty simple to make and the other exponentially more difficult and yet I can buy either without having to worry about significant increases in pricing each week. I just don't get it.
Then again I didn't read the article either
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Regular ol' SDRAM is getting pretty damn pricey too. We've had to stop stocking it. It's become a "special order", as it's too expensive to keep any amount of inventory for it for any length of time.
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i have a memory doubler. it actually expands your memory to 4 gigs per process no matter how much memory you have. unfortunately it does grind the machine to a halt. this product can be found here
...that epoxy factory in Japan burned to the ground in the mid-late 90s?
/ek
I remember all the talking heads saying RAM prices would be exhorbinate for YEARS to come.
Supply problems are short-lived, really.
It's sad that people need to reserve tons of memory for the OPERATING SYSTEM itself and not just the programs that run on top of it.
Chinese countries
So, who would that be? China and . . . China?
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are because the industry is so cut-throat. In good DRAM times, companies crowd in, adding new production capacity and trying to make a quick buck. They know this is going to kill prices a couple years down the road, but if they don't do it, they'll be left out in the cold as competitors grab their market share. Sure enough, a couple of years later oversupply kicks in. Companies manufacture less DRAM, shift production to more profitable products, etc... And the cycle begins anew. I really don't know what started it, unless it was the 1987 DRAM crash, when all but one US manufacturer dropped the DRAM business due to intense Japanese competition. (And illegal dumping, as it turned out.)
Adding to this now is a fairly major transition from 200-300mm wafers. No matter what the DRAM companies tell you, they're never as good with their process as they claim they are. (I used to work for one of them.) Everyone is struggling to some degree with 0.11 micron compared to 0.13, and everyone (except perhaps Infineon, who started with it about three years ago) is struggling with 300mm wafer technology compared to 200mm.
Add it all up, and it very likely is a legitimate shortage. No price fixing here.
Too bad he never really did say that
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No problem. I still have the 8MB from my old 486DX66. I'll just sell it and buy another 514MB for my current machine. It must qualify as a collectible antique by now, no?
actually this is a serious problem. the programmers who develop games sometimes don't understand that gamers have limits and can't break their banks for the 69.99 game and 200 $ worh of ram every new release.
............. didn't think so.
if programming and programmers tried to make their code smaller, while avoiding pitfalls like 600MB installs (re q3,halflife etc.) wouldn't the games be more popular?
heck, even office 2003 full install is almost a gig. ONE FREAKING GIGABYTE!!!
Tell me why you need a 300 meg install for a word processor, spell-check feature and some rtf formatting? anyone?
How else are you going to fit a flight simulator in?
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Now Bush is going to want to drill in Nevada for DRAM!?
Won't someone please think of the scorpions!
We need to break this country of it's dependence on foreign DRAM once and for all.
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I want that. I'm sick and fucking tired of games that require me to buy new hardware, but have nothing new but slightly improved graphics. If you need a higher CPU/RAM for some awesome new kickass gameplay or AI, thats cool. But graphics are good enough already. Forget about graphicas and work on gameplay. Gameplay for the past year or two has been SEVERELY lacking. WHo the fuck wants to play FPS #12000567 which is the same as #13000566 but with a different name for the shotgun? Until they come out with something that needs more horsepower for the gameplay itself, I should never need to upgrade again- consoles or my computer.
I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
Be careful. Several times in the past publicity agents have placed stories like this in national magazines just before big price drops.
Everything in the magazines now is for sale. No magazine of which I am aware has any integrity.
Here's a quote from the Reuters article on ZDNet:
"We believe the tight supply situation will continue for the time being on delays by rivals in a move to shrink circuitry" to 110 nanometers, said a semiconductor trader at Samsung.
Notice the 100% conflict of interest.
After the Taiwan earthquake the rise in prices was very fleeting, due to the hype by publicity agents, and not any real lack of supply. The did the same scam concerning VCR heads, saying the lack of supply would make VCRs go up in price. Instead, the price dropped sharply.
Ooohh there's a new shotgun!?
Yes I'm kidding.
Compare UT2004:
Executable file: under 2 megabytes /System directory (exe, settings, mutators): 56MB
/Sounds (voice, announcer, shots, ambients): 353MB
/Maps: 1550MB
/Textures: 2790MB
Entire
The whole thing is just going in a viscious cycle - the better game engines we have, the more video card power we need. The better the video card, the higher resolution we can run it in and keep it playable. The more resolution, the higher quality graphics we need on screen. The higher quality the graphics, the more space they take up. Textures alone take up half of the UT2004 install footprint. If you want to start reducing install sizes, start on the graphics quality first.
You have obviously never run any Java applications. Here's how to use up the first 128 MB:
}In most cases, it's the quantity, not speed, that matters anyway. The mantra is, keep everything in memory to minimize disk I/O since even the slowest memory is faster than the fastest disk.
If I have to choose between 512MB of Dual Channel RAM and 1GB of Single Channel for my PC, I'd pick 1GB. Choice is easy.