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Software To Stop Song Trading
Shippy writes "Palisade Systems is about to launch new software that can identify and block copyrighted songs as they are being traded online. However, the article fails to mention that it will also stop legal song downloads. The software blocks anything that's copyrighted, whether you already own the song in another format or not. Here's some snippets from the article: 'If installed in a university, for example, it could look inside students' emails, instant messages and peer-to-peer transfers...', and 'Jacobson said the identification process would not work on an encrypted network, such as is used in several newer file-swapping programs. However, the Palisade software could also act to block those applications from using the network altogether.' Great."
Encrypted protocols increase in popularity.
to spend money and give students a paid subscription for music downloads (some colleges have) then spend money tracking file sharing?
how do i tell this software that i want people to trade MY copyrighted music? if they block my file swapping would that be some sort of anticompetitive thing? just because the RIAA and its labels own the majority of music being traded doesnt mean that all the music being traded belongs to them.
Funny, on slashdot GPL violators are on step below Charles Manson, while copyright infringers of music, movies, and software are somewhere below jaywalkers.
Wait... it did say that it can look into student's emails and instant messages right? So basically it is giving the University free right to look into student's messages and claim that they are merely looking for illegal songs. There has got to be something that can be done by the students at these universities to block this. This is a total invasion of privacy. If any university tries to impose this onto the students attending, the students must do something. Hopefully we haven't lost all of our rebellious nature.
Is this software going to intercept any archives (.rar, .tar.gz, .zip etc.), unarchive them and check them? I'm not against such software - Universities have a right to disallow file trading on their networks, just as I have a right to use an ISP which doesn't use such software for my home connection. However, I just think that this won't work, at least not without blocking or hindering so much legitimate use that everyone revolts against it.
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What's wrong with just plain FTP over SSL? No one's going to be blocking FTP anytime soon...
There are 11 types of people in the world: those who can count in binary, and those who can't.
> ... disguised as web traffic
And it won't look the least bit suspicious when the host is connected to several other hosts, transferring encrypted data at full-speed 24 hours a day.
Posting this concept on Slashdot is easy. Doing it is a whole different matter ...
Mod the parrent down as a troll... nothing to see here.
I love it. Pure, honest intellectual fascism. Basically, you say "Your suggestion is impractical, so you should be modded down, and nobody should even see your idea."
I don't have any problems with your objections to his idea, but why insist that he should be modded troll for saying something that you disagree with?
So this software would make backing up your data illegal? I have all my CDs ripped, and I ftp them to another drive at another location frequently. This would stop any student from sending any of his MP3's to a computer at home for back up. That sounds fair.
as someone noted before, encrypt everything. It is not just good idea for file swapping, also, it is good practice incase of information leak.
anyway, that's not my point, I think it would be good idea if people can change the software slightly so that it block different thing, *cough*spam*cough*, it might be more constructive than blocking `any` kind of copyrighted material. Well of course, it would be nice there is no censoring of information, but we are too far away from that.
if you like this, thank you. If you don't, sorry I took your time to read this.
Music is shared. The industry finds way to block it, but in doing so pisses people off. New P2P app. Random corporate ups ante, finds new way to find out identity of P2P user. New P2P program that blocks ID. People post about it on slashdot. People make funny comments, and get modded up. Piracy increases, RIAA makes new blocking program. Cowboy Oneal finally decides that he's sick of it all and declares a ban on P2P relating articles.
Anyways, down to real business: The more people try to stop people from downloading files, the more it becomes damaging to themselves. Not only are they blowing money on quick fix solutions that do nothing but piss people off and force them to resort to other methods, but in the end their problem is that people are going to download their crap no matter what. If they stop them from downloading, they sure as hell won't buy it, so they might as well let them be.
Now, I'm not saying that's the right solution, or there is a solution, but I think trying to stop it and potentially messing people up all over the board is just a haphazard and dangerous way of doing things. Go back to the drawing board... And as much as I hate to admit it, but I feel by the time they solve P2P, Mac will be in control of the market, we'll be insectoid alien slaves, and Elvis will have returned, and will have posted a story on the truth about aliens here.
GMail looking inside e-mails? Isn't this just doing the same thing? What is to stop them from releasing a "new, improved" version of this software to allow universities to look inside e-mails for other things? Phrases that look like part of a term paper, that I *may* be plagarizing (sp?)
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At least not going to college anymore, I don't (for now) have to worry about this. What I can see is this software is automaticly presuming you are guilty of music swapping, and searching your e-mail without due process (BTW, IANAL)
If the courts want to use an e-mail as evidence, do they not have to get a warrant? Why should this be any different?
harumph.
Jason A.
Do you see the FNORDS? I refuse to post anonymously, as I am fireproof!
Apparently, you have to be a little more createive.
Supossidly it uses a technique called, Mel-Filtered Cepstral Coefficients to look for patterns in the audio output of the file. that is they dont check-sum the file, they play the file, and use there fingerprint technology on the way the file sounds when it is played.
This still has many problems. As other posters already pointed out, encrypting, archiveing, or simply renaming the extension of the content, would make it difficult to find. Unless of course, they plane on playing all the data on people PC's via every known music codec in existance.
Im assuming they actually look at peoples PC's as the problem of reasembling the packets would require identifyingm, emulating, and extending every p2p protocall known to man.
Of course, they probably figure they can find most stuff by focasing on kazaa and mp3's.
As another poster said. this might work. for about 10 whole seconds.
really, what's overplayed? the various cop shops want to be able to intercept any net trafic, they are on the record of desiring everyone's private keys. The FCC violates it's own laws on little guys, yet lets the fatcats skate most of the time and rip billions from the public. It's just data. The discussion evolved to "using encryption" and to me, starting with the one verified example I brought up, it's not far fetched to assume that sometime in the not so distant future it will be illegal, or highly regulated. They already made copyright infringement be a felony punishable by jail time and fines if the feel like it. Anyone see that one coming even 3 years ago?
If anything, I think more people need to get more upset over it, because a too-casual outlook towards this whole... creeping big brotherism and being a serf in your own nation afraid to enjoy life won't be stopped by ignoring it.
I don'thave a dog in the file sharing fight, don't do mp3's or movies, but I can smell a conjob when I see one, and the record and movie ghouls been pulling a rip of massive proportions for decades now. There's laws on the books and then there's laws that beg to be broken. Prohibition was one that went on way too long until it was a national embarassment. They started another stupid buncha laws, and not enough people spoke up and fought to stop it,so now we have the war on some drugs, that got us 1/2 way to a full-bore police state.
Sometimes ya just got to say no to stupid stuff. I walked with people who got refused service in restaurants because of their skin color,and it was "legal" for that to happen to them at the time. I took the gas when we tried to stop a stupid war that wasn't legal and was a scam based on a whopper lie, yet they called it "legal" and killed millions of people over it, both "our guys" and some other people, and they didn't care. And on and on, stupid things big AND little, but they all add up, and they all apply to everyone sooner or later. Even when you think this latest stupidity don't apply to you, eventually it will, because their job is to think of stupid things to make life more complicated and to make it harder to avoid "offending" them so they can "crack down" on you for..whatever. Just think of all the things they are gonna "crack down" on. Believe me, they won't run out of nouns to target. Eventually they'll get to something really important to you, "general you' I mean.
Now we got all sorts of stuff like that going on, PLUS we got this cyber world to deal with, and some things are just as stupid as the others. I say it's righteous to say NO to obviously stupid things. And the deal is, with government and their corporate pimps, it's the death of a thousand cuts with those people,they just keep coming and they ain't got no pity, you got to say "NO! quit cutting me" everytime they try it,no matter how small the cut is, and be quick with the bandaids and iodine.
If you keep taking the little cuts, because "oh well, it's just one little cut", pretty soon it adds up to be the equivalent of a meat cleaver in it's effects. It's like, what's the line, how far do you eat it when they are trying to make you eat it constantly?
In short, it's not tin foil hat if it's real,and if you can step back and look at the bigger picture and not get hung up on minutiae, and realise that they WILL cut you as often as they can think of a new way to do it.
Yes you can. You can't win, but you can drive them bankcrupt trying to defend themselves.
It isn't about justice, it's about extortion.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
The war on file sharing is turning into a war on drugs, we all know how effective it is.
Except pot smokers aren't being sued by large corporations for failing to bogart and the DEA isn't blowing the heads off of neighbors of file traders by mistake.
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
Actually they are more interested in keeping music off the internet in order to prevent bands from going independant, the internet makes them far less important than they once were.
Snowden and Manning are heroes.