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Physics Goes To Hollywood
pigreco314 writes "What do films like Independence Day, Armageddon and X-Men have in common? The answer is that apart from costing millions of dollars to make, they all feature in a new course called Physics in Films that is being taught to students at the University of Central Florida, according to PhysicsWeb. Costas Efthimiou, the mathematical physicist who teaches the course, believes that non-science students learn more about the fundamentals of physics by studying films and science fiction than they do from more traditional approaches." Among the topics discussed is "the conservation of momentum in Tango and Cash."
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But it's just another course trying to entice non-science students to do science. What's the point?
In UK universities in 2003, there were around 35,000 applications made to study Sports Science BSc. To study Materials Science, 37. Just thirty-seven.
Which do you think produces better scientists?
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Action movies are notorious for not respecting basic laws of physics. For example:
...etc...
- A guy gets shot by a bullet, gets thrown backward 10 feet.
- A car jumps over something without a launching pad
- A car jumps over something and flies straight into the air, and lands flat (real cars tip forward when they do that)
- A computer hacker does something real quick on a computer because someone's coming, downloads or save something in half a second
- A woman drinks a tainted glass of wine, drops immediately after the first sip
- A red-caped, blue spandexed lunatic hoists busses, entire bridges into the air
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Can't quite find the previous Slashdot story though this one is close.
But Tango and Cash dangling from electric cables as part of a physics course? This is kinda old news.
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I thought your post was very interesting.
I say WHATEVER WORKS. People (not just kids) don't always learn what is taught by traditional means. I know --i-- didn't. Seeing something visually or in new ways can sometimes more easily or quickly create understanding.
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And would they cover things like the cranking the van up the sand dune in Ice Cold In Alex
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Since they're currently experiencing a "server failure", I can't comment on the course content as such, but there are vital pieces of physics that simply cannot be taught from watching a movie. You can talk about conservation of energy in a car crash, sure. You can laugh at the physical impossibility of that bit in Hollow Man where the chick opens a door with an electromagnet. You could even try to talk about "time folding over" in Event Horizon.
The fact of the matter is however that physics is made interesting when you actually think about it yourself and realise why it is interesting. If someone makes a movie that makes relativity or quantum physics interesting enough to justify the cost of the movie, then I take my hat off to them.
This just sounds like another course to fill credits.
is essentially due to traditional classroom coaching method which leave little room for imagination.
On the other hand, Physics(or Science) illustrated in movies, could in a few subtle scenes, tickle the itch to followup, run imagination wild, to validate or invalidate flaws or ideas, just for the sake of geekiness.
I only wished that factual subjects can be written like novels, with a page turner storyline...
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I guess the machines forgot what theories Newton came up with, so thats why all the theories taste like chicken.
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One of my best professors used to say that history is only there to help us understand movies.
No different?
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And why should we want to? As a physicist I am more annoyed by the people who insist on having correct physics in movies (or books) than the incorrect physics itself.
Hello? It's a movie! Not a documentary or part of a curriculum. At least to me hard sci-fi like R.L. Forward's Dragon's Egg is immensely boring.
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I always thought teaching of phsics with movie would be most efficient by showing the bad examples, so people won't start to think that reality is governed by the same mad-up laws of physics as seen in most action flicks. Lots of bad examples are listed at INSULTINGLY STUPID MOVIE PHYSICS
Since most of the Hollywood movies physics is nothing but pure bullshit, this course could give you the one and only degree of double BS - Bachelor Of Science In Bullshiting!
Insultingly Stupid Movie Physics
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So you guys are now learning physics by watching movies!!!
So, don't cry when your physics reasearch gets outsourced.
Make learning fun... but NOT a JOKE !!
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Why do you call him a mental case?
If you don't like or don't agree with him, then just discredit him or the facts he puts in his movies. Calling him a mental case because you don't like what he has to say is just closed minded.
It's like the media suddenly calling judges 'activist' because they don't agree with what the judges have to say. Judges are there to interpret the law, but when a conservative doesn't like something a judge says, they just label the judge 'liberal' or 'activist' instead of attacking the legal or logical basis for the judge's decision.
When you want to disagree with someone, you don't call them names. You engage them in a debate of critical reasoning.
Calling them names just makes you look childish.
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So should the military teach combat by showing Rambo movies? Perhaps convicts can learn to be nice people by watching episodes of Family Matters. I'm thinking about opening a Salvage Yard, I'm gonna do some market research by watching Sanford and Son.
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Very impressive, since it the building is only 32 or 33 floors high (indicated several times in the movie). It also implies 105 m of fire hose, which is itself ludicrous. However, the fall is "really" only a few floors (say, 4, if you take the building to be 34 floors and he ends up back on floor 30), his final speed would have been 16 m/s rather than the 46 m/s the BBC got.
Does it matter? Well, it turns out that the BBC thinks "head shear" would have killed McClane, because his "severity index" was 3018, way above the fatal number (about 1000). But their speed is high by a factor of about 3, and the speed appears in that equation raised to the 2.5 power. So his "real" idex would be about 16 times lower, or 190.
But interestingly, this is only about half of the index required to knock you out. So actually, using numbers more consistent with the film, you find that not only does McClane survive the fall, he is not knocked out!
All of the stress arguments also depend on this bad speed, but since they concluded he'd survive the overly-strong stop, he's OK at the lower speed too.
BTW, I don't know how elastic firehose is, but they neglected its retarding effect as he fell, too.
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The trailer for The Day After Tomorrow looks great, and certainly has a strong message about global warming in the film (just don't try to visit their website over a modem!) Starts May 28th.
I only saw previews for The Core, but I gathered that the core of the Earth had stopped spinning, and the good guys had to restart it with nukes.
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Recall moment of inertia for a sphere, I = 2/5 mr^2. The mass of the Earth's core is 1.932e+24 kg, the radius, 3.488e+6 m. This gives a moment of 9.402e+36 kg m^2. The period of the core's rotation (one sidereal day) is 8.616e+3 s, giving [E= 1/2 Iw^2] rotational kinetic energy of 2.500e+28 J. Note that SI prefixes only go up to 10^24 (unless I'm mistaken).
Now, how many nukes would have to be used to supply this energy? One kiloton TNT is 4.184e+12 J, giving the Earth's core kinetic energy of 5.975e+15 kilotons TNT. Were we to actually use TNT, the diameter of the dynamite required would be 953 kilometers and surface gravity would be 4.5% that of Earth. But I digress.
So, back to nukes, the highest yield nuclear weapon that the US has ever produced (I think) is the triple-stage Mk-41, with up to 25 megatons TNT of explosive yield. 2.4e+11 of these would be required to provide sufficient energy to start the core's motion. To put this in perspective, each Mk-41 being 3.4 m long, the nuclear bombs required would span the average distance between the Earth and the sun five and a half times. (Hey, a lever! Never mind that the outside edge of this ridiculous construction would be moving at
For the Star Trek crowd, the amount of antimatter required is half of [E=mc^2] 2.781e+11 kg. The amount of energy is the same amount that the sun releases [our nice big 4e+26 W bulb] in about an hour. Enough energy to boil all the oceans almost thirty million times over. I knew that the movie premise was absurd, but I had no idea how many orders of magnitude the absurdity was.
I leave it as an exercise for the reader to figure out such trivia as "Where the hell did the law of conservation of angular momentum go?"
Sources: http://www.strategic-air-command.com/weapons/nucl
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- Regular people will get knocked out by a simple punch while a hero will only get mildly scratched after running away from 10 terrorists with machine guns
- Time is relative. You can jump into an airplane or helicopter in free and still be able to not only reach the controls, but also turn it on and recover it
- The most l33t hackers crack other computers using nice and friendly GUIs. So getting into a file really looks like entering a building.
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In physics, the Slashdot Effect is called "vital maintenance work".How quaint.
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Can't get to the site to rtfa, but I had a similar course from the same University (different prof) over 25 years ago. It was called "The Physics of Science Fiction" and the premise was that we would read various works of popular science fiction (and watch some movies) and consider how the "laws of physics" were either the same or different in their universes.
Wasn't a bad class really. We read Fred Hoyle, Larry Niven, Hal Clement, and some others that I don't remember. It gave a decent introduction to basic phsyics and was fairly popular on campus amongst the nonscience majors. (I took it because the prof was a friend of mine and said I would enjoy it.)
Courses like this are certainly not going to replace traditional lab physics for science majors, but they can do a fine job of making science more interesting to some students who normally don't enjoy it.
This course started a couple years ago.. It's a 1000 level course which is freshman level. I've met a few people that took it although most of them are film types. Most engineering majors and physics majors at UCF don't bother because it's virtually useless for our degree requirements.
Here's an article from our student newspaper from the fall 2002 semester.
Strangely, the course number listed in the article is for physical science. I don't know off hand what the real number is. Here's the O-P page from the latest online course catalog.
Well, finals ended for me yesterday (with my orbital mechanics final) so I'm going to die for 2 weeks until summer semester starts.
Daniel Davis
Aerospace Engineering major
University of Central Florida - Orlando
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I thought Armageddon was a pretty good movie up to the point where they took off from earth.
And then it turned to crap.
But of everything that happened after that, the worst, in my opinion, was when they docked with the Space Station to refuel.
Apparently, the director had been told that if you spin the Station, it will create a psuedo-gravity, so you can save money on weightlessness effects.
Unfortunately, that's all the director knew, because everything else about the Space Station scene displays a total ignorance of physics.
First, does the Shuttle dock with the center of the Station, where it is standing still?
No -- the Shuttle latches on to the outside of the spinning ring!
And does the sudden shift in center-of-gravity throw the Space Station off balance?
No, because, fortunately for them, they have two Shuttles that can latch on to opposite sides of the Space Station at exactly the same instant!
So we have two Shuttles approaching the spinning Space Station from opposite directions, on exactly the right trajectory, at exactly the right speed, so they can both latch on in the same fraction of a second, and start spinning around with the Station.
And does the fact that the full mass of the Shuttle, as it spins around the Station, is now being suspended against gravity (in effect), by just its door and a docking clamp, cause the Shuttle to snap in two?
No!
And does the Shuttle attach by its roof, so that the "gravity" will be down to the floor?
No, it attaches by a side door -- but the "gravity" is still down to the floor!!!
And do they have to climb ladders to move toward the center of the Station?
No, walking along straight corriders, sideways to the spinning motion, seems to work just fine.
If you ask me, that scene is a low point in all of sci-fi movie history. Even the old el-cheapo 50s space movies showed more respect for science.
Were there any physics in that were even kinda correct? I seem to recall the space shuttles bobing and weaving like airplanes through a meteor shower. Uh, there's no AIR in outer space, guys, thus flying with your big engines pointed back makes you go faster and faster and FasterAndFASTER until you die, and you can't use your wings as control surfaces to turn.
Ah, and when they were stressfully docking with the spinning(!) "mir", there's this shot where you see the docking hatch extend, and its like the shuttle is "orbiting" mir, even before they make contact.
I'm pretty sure most big meteors aren't shaped like they're designed by an evil asteroid designing picasso. Yep, I'm pretty sure they're usually just oblong balls.
I'm pretty sure that meteor swarms that have travelled cosmic distances aren't constantly having sub meteors bang into eachother like bumpercars. They got all that out of their system 10,000 years ago.
The people that made this movie should be hunted down and shot by their highschool physics instructor.
People learning physics better from movies is exactly who most people think they can leap through a plate glass window from an exploding car, submachineguns blazing with no apparent need to reload, ever.
Physics lessons from Hollywood is like, the exact opposite of what we need.
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Oh, and yes, IAAP (I Am A Physicist), so really obvious physics stupidities jump out at me. Like sound effects in space....
One of the things that impressed me about the TV show "Firefly" was that when something in space blew up it didn't go "boom".
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This is just like "Math in art", or "History of calculus" courses that fulfil math requirements.
They're still bloody arts courses.
I'm sure this sort of class isn't WORTHLESS, especially for people who wouldn't learn anything from a more technical science class, or a physics student just looking for a few laughs. I just hope it doesn't satisfy the baccalaureate core requirements at that school.
Film students should be required to take classes like this. THAT would make it really meaningful.
Straczynski wanted to be true (well, mostly true, anyway) to the laws of physics in Babylon 5. When he originally created the show, all scenes taking place in outer space took place in silence. When they did a test showing to interested audiences, there was too much negative reaction -- most notably, a lot of people thought that there had been a problem with the sound production, so Straczynski decided to put the sound back in.
It's still really cool, though, that his design for the Starfuries is now being adapted by NASA for use in the future.