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Advanced Unix Programming, 2nd Ed.

prostoalex writes "Advanced Unix Programming by Marc Rochkind is published by Addison-Wesley this year in its second edition. A book that has been considered a timeless classic, a title that saw its first edition back in 1985 and its second edition almost two decades later, in 2004. Where do you even start to review?" Read on below to see read prostoalex's evaluation. Advanced Unix Programming, 2nd Ed. author Marc Rochkind pages 736 publisher Addison Wesley Professional rating 9/10 reviewer Alex Moskalyuk ISBN 0131411543 summary An introduction and guided course through the world of Linux I/O and interprocess communications, with C++ source code provided for your viewing pleasure. More than 1100 functions explained.

Advanced Unix Programming (AUP) has been updated to include information relevant to Solaris, Linux, FreeBSD, Darwin and Mac OS X. Rochkind has added more than 200 system calls, according to the preface. But who is the book for?

First off, if you look at the table of contents, you will find that AUP is largely a book on input-output in Unix operating systems. The input-output varies from Basic (Chapter 2) and Advanced (Chapter 3) File I/O to Interprocess Communications (Chapters 6, 7), Network I/O (Chapter 8) and Terminal I/O (Chapter 4). The rest of the book consists of purely informational chapters on fundamental concepts of Unix operating systems (Chapter 1), working with threads and processes (Chapter 5) and signals and timers (Chapter 9).

If you get the impression that this is an academic title, you're not mistaken - if your university has some kind of Advanced Unix/Linux or Unix Networking course, they probably use some AUP material. Note that the book is not a how-to or manual on setting up Apache, Samba, FTP, various filesystems or Jabber servers - it does have a chapter on networking but teaches Unix I/O concepts from developer's perspective only, meaning you have to know C and C++. If you prefer to look at the source code, it's on the author's Web site.

There are two types of readers for AUP: those who start off programming in Unix/Linux, and those who are quite good at it, have read the first edition and are now wondering whether the second one is worth it.

If you are just starting with programming in Unix/Linux environment, don't let the word "Advanced" scare you off. The first chapter is pretty good in getting the reader up to speed with the concepts discussed in the book. It talks about such common tasks as getting the system to tell you what it has in terms of POSIX, getting a Unix box to tell you the date and time inside a C++ application, and counting your app's execution time. In many aspects, the second half of each chapter falls under O'Reilly cookbook format, where you are given a certain task and then provided the source code and explanations of what needs to be done to accomplish the task.

The author also "falls" into the trap of using some quick solutions only to "discover" that they do not work on all the systems. For example, subchapter 3.6.1 Reading Directories first tries to access the contents of the directory via ec_neg (fd = open (".", O_RDONLY) and ec_neg (nread = read (fd, buffer, sizeof(buffer))) only to find out that under Linux the call retrieves unhelpful "*** EISDIR (21: "Is a directory") ***" message. After that we are introduced into proper, not quick and dirty ways, to access Unix directories via opendir(), closedir() and readdir().

From experience, it looks like most of the people I know who own a copy of the first edition of AUP bought it because of its section on Interprocess Communications. The author does indeed provide a great learning and reference resource when in Chapter 5 he takes the reader through Unix processes and threads, explains how fork() works. The simple pop quizzes are there as well. A way to win friends and amuse the opposite sex during watercooler talks is to offer the following example:

void forktest (void)
{
int pid;
printf ("Start of test.\n");
pid = fork();
printf ("Returned %d.\n", pid);
}

Run this example as forktest and you will get a message:

Start of test.
Returned 11111.
Returned 0.

Run this test as forktest > tmp and suddenly the message in tmp file changes:

Start of test.
Returned 22222.
Start of test.
Returned 0.

Why is "Start of test" printed twice in the second example? Warning: the book contains an early spoiler in 5.5 fork System Call

By this point, you probably wonder whether the code examples will work on your system. The author tested the code on Solaris 8, SuSE Linux 8, FreeBSD 4.6 and Darwin (Mac OS X kernel) 6.8. In the preface, he talks about using a Windows box with SSH client to upload the code to the destination systems and run them there.

The book is very convenient to read; the chapter numbering system always gives you a good feel of where you are at. As reading of the entire book is not required, and a lot of people use AUP as a reference, an index containing just functions and system calls is included in Appendix D. Don't know what tcgetpgrp() does? The index will point you to 4.3.4. All the code is printed in monospace font, so it's quite easy to differentiate from the regular text. All the function definitions are boxed with function name, description and signature provided. The signature itself contains comments on what the parameter represents. They also are not saving whitespace on function samples, using the style where each line of source code and each { gets a separate line in text. Overall, more than 1100 functions are covered.

The book is quite practical, too, so don't think of it as pure API rehash. For example, in 8.4.3 (the chapter 8 deals with Networking), you are given the source code for a text-based browser that's written in less than 50 lines of code (although it doesn't quite understand HTML and just dumps everything to standard output).

Overall, if any part of your job description or hobby list includes Unix/Linux development, especially if it's high on that list, this book is a must have. Moreover, looking at the job market defined by keyword "unix", it looks like half the positions include some kind of "Sr." or "Architect" or "Networking" attribute, for which the knowledge provided in AUP would be indispensable.

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143 comments

  1. slashdotted already? by spangineer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, I'm having trouble getting to the link, so here's the amazon.com page (not a referral link):

    Advanced Unix Programming They have 27 used copies, and the book's gotten high reviews.

    1. Re:slashdotted already? by spangineer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sorry, that's 27 copies of the 1st edition, the second ed. obviously doesn't because it just came out 6 days ago. The link for the second ed. is:

      Advanced Unix Programming.

    2. Re:slashdotted already? by The+Rev · · Score: 1
      I'm outraged.

      This is $34 at Amazon.COM and 40 at Amazon.CO.UK!!!! That's the equivalent of $70!!!!!!

      If I bought AUP and APUE together from Amazon.COM and used standard international airmail shipping, I'd get AUP FREE!!!!!!

  2. Does does it print twice? by kyz · · Score: 5, Informative

    Because the first printf was automatically flushed after the newline, because it's going to a terminal. Some stdio implementations are like that.

    It wasn't flushed in the second example, it would only write out data once there was a full buffer's worth (e.g. 32kb or such), or when the stream was closed. Because it wasn't flushed, both fork()ed copies had this unflushed data in their buffer and both printed it.

    I'm sure it scares a few newbies, but it's fairly obvious.

    --
    Does my bum look big in this?
    1. Re:Does does it print twice? by pclminion · · Score: 5, Informative
      If you want the line buffered behavior even when outputting to non-terminal devices, without having to explicitly call fflush() after every line, you can force the stdout stream into line buffered mode like this:

      setvbuf(stdout, NULL, _IOLBF, 0);

      You must do this before you use stdout in any way.

    2. Re:Does does it print twice? by SavingPrivateNawak · · Score: 1

      That doesn't explain me why the printf is executed twice whereas it sits BEFORE the fork?

      Isn't the forked process supposed to begin its execution just after the fork() call???
      If so, there should be only ONE "Start of test"...

      Can anyone tell me what's happening?

    3. Re:Does does it print twice? by SavingPrivateNawak · · Score: 1

      Ok the grandparent post IS explaining it, I was just... reading it with a closed mind...

      The printf IS indeed executed only ONCE, it's the stdio buffer containing the first printf's string that's duplicated by the fork...

      Please forget me and my post...

    4. Re:Does does it print twice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks... now I can show my boss something useful I learned while reading slashdot. (He'll nod knowingly and walk away. :-)

  3. Terminal I/O? by Not+The+Real+Me · · Score: 5, Funny

    That chapter alone tells me to avoid this book like the plague.

    1. Re:Terminal I/O? by NickDngr · · Score: 1, Informative

      Believe it or not, some of us still use terminals. Sometimes it is an efficient way to work with a system.

      --
      Yoda of Borg am I! Assimilated shall you be! Futile resistance is, hmm?
    2. Re:Terminal I/O? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

      All of us still use terminals. Your Linux/*BSD/Solaris/OSX consoles are terminals. Your xterm windows are terminals.

    3. Re:Terminal I/O? by Carnildo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually, I think terminal I/O would be a very useful thing. I'd love to be able to release a program that, when run by my enemies, would terminate them, preferably with extreme prejudice.

      --
      "They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.
    4. Re:Terminal I/O? by Pike65 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, that stuff'll be the death of you.

      --
      "If being a geek means being passionate about something, then I pity those who aren't geeks." - Pike65
    5. Re:Terminal I/O? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You both fail it. It was a joke. Think about it, carefully.

    6. Re:Terminal I/O? by neurojab · · Score: 1

      Perhaps "terminal I/O" refers to virtual terminals as well (Xterm, eTerm, RXVT, the Linux console), etc.. .?

      Perhaps I'm in the minority, but the vast majority of applications I use in Linux are console apps. They're simply more efficient and easier to work with than "point and click" GUI apps. You definately need to know how to program console apps to call yourself a master UNIX programmer.

    7. Re:Terminal I/O? by neurojab · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know the parent post was supposed to be a joke.

    8. Re:Terminal I/O? by TheAmazingRando · · Score: 2, Funny

      Where's "-1, Didn't get the joke" ?

      --
      The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that it has never tried to contact us. --
  4. Good UNIX Reference by mcx101 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I spotted the first edition of this book in my university library when I was doing some coding on FreeBSD. Whilst it didn't have anything specific to FreeBSD it was still a handy reference. I look forward to reading the additions in this version. Perhaps I'll get the university library to order it for me ;-)

    --
    My operat~1 system unders~1 long filena~1 , does yours?
    1. Re:Good UNIX Reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nice sig you fu~1

  5. *NIX by trick-knee · · Score: 1

    okay, I'm not *trying* to troll, but, what with SCO, I'd've thought that they'd do more to separate themselves from UNIX(r).

    1. Re:*NIX by mcx101 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Don't forget though that UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group, so even though SCO has (claims to have?) the rights to the UNIX source code they don't own the name.

      --
      My operat~1 system unders~1 long filena~1 , does yours?
    2. Re:*NIX by DaHat · · Score: 1

      For the most part, far from it. Granted some Linux users may have gone to alternative systems, the non Linux *NIX is still going quite strong.

    3. Re:*NIX by ydrol · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Especially as most GNU / GPL / Open /BSD stuff runs on *NIX anyway (often even before it ran on Linux)

      In the corporate server market savings on Linux are minimal compared to Sun etc because of two things:

      1. Server quality x86 boxes for hosting business critical applications can cost as much as Sun / HP Boxes. So no real hardware savings that justify the "risk".

      2. Most companies do not have /dedicated/ Linux admin support skills and need to outsource some degree of support in order to provide that support level themselves. So no real support savings.

      3. In some environments a lot of applications (that you may in turn be depending on) are supported on recent flavours of Unix but only on a particular Linux Distro ( and usually an old one given Linux release cycles) say Redhat 7.2. I suspect this is changing (especially as Linux distros are EOLing their releases a lot faster) but companies may not see potential ROI in testing against recent (not latest) releases of every major distro.

      So whilst it may be good to have at home, or even in the Web Farm (where all required apps required are often better supported on Linux) there is still a lot of demand of *NIX - and in turn a lot of integration work with APIs of applications best supported (by their vendors) on *NIX.

      Also the cowards argument - If the target platforn is *NIX, no one gets sacked for choosing Solaris. If it goes pear shaped it wasnt your fault :)

  6. opendir() by hey · · Score: 0, Redundant

    So you use opendir() to read a directory!
    Who knew?!

    1. Re:opendir() by happyfrogcow · · Score: 1

      my programs don't open directories, you insensitive clod!

      % ls -1 *foo | ./my_program

  7. Interesting change of pace... by eidechse · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...in twenty years every other programming book I have will be in it's 123rd edition.

  8. Marc vs. Stevens by jonfelder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder how well Marc holds up against Stevens.

    It's very unfortunate Stevens died so young, his books including "Advanced Unix Programming" are extraordinary.

    1. Re:Marc vs. Stevens by eschasi · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Hear, hear. Rochkind is good, but has neither the breadth nor depth of Stevens. It's a damned shame that there's apparently no-one with Stevens' dual skills in programming and writing who can take up his mantle. The review above, while generally complimentary, doesn't sound like Rochkind can replace Stevens.

      And I fondly remember MTS, too.

    2. Re:Marc vs. Stevens by hitchhacker · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Advanced Unix Programming"

      I believe you mean:
      "Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment"

      His "TCP/IP Illustrated" volumes 1-3 are also great.
      I havn't read AUP, so I can't compare him to Stevens.

      -metric

    3. Re:Marc vs. Stevens by bobsled · · Score: 1

      It is unfortunate - I keep a copy on my desk (actually had two copies before I realized one order was just really late!).

      But he (Stevens) wrote Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment (APUE), not Advanced Unix Programming...I can see buying AUP and getting myself thouroughly confused..."Hand me that copy of APUE, er, AUP, um, the one with the RED stripe on the cover!!!"

      I find it strange Addison-Wesley doesn't include Unix Network Programming Vol 2 (IPC) in its "Professional Computing Series"...APUE, UNP Vol 1 AND 2 are rarely far away.

      --
      Life would be so much easier if we could just look at the source code...
    4. Re:Marc vs. Stevens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rochkind is an excellent writer. IMHO more
      entertaining and engaging than Stevens ever
      was.

      But a comparison is a little unfair. Rochkind
      deals with Unix whereas Stevens has a strong
      networking bent.

    5. Re:Marc vs. Stevens by Ankh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      On the whole I'd say Marc Rochkind is actually a better writer - it's a lot harder to write a thin book on a topic and still have it be this useful.

      If you're working in C (or C++ I suppose, Oh you youngsters!) on and form of Unix, you probably already have the first edition, or at least have read it. If not, go and get it (or this second edition). Along with The Unix Programming Environment, it's one of the classic texts that's not too large to read, but too useful to skip.

      Liam

      --
      Live barefoot!
      free engravings/woodcuts
    6. Re:Marc vs. Stevens by BerntB · · Score: 1
      Life would be so much easier if we could just look at the source code...
      See e.g. this.

      (What you really meant was if we could understand the damn thing, too. At long last. Biochemists are obviously just lazy. :-)

      Anyway, I agree -- the world would be a better place with Stevens still in it, writing books.

      --
      Karma: Excellent (My Karma? I wish...:-( )
    7. Re:Marc vs. Stevens by ajrs · · Score: 1

      I have both. Marc first edition was less comprehensive. Steven's second eddition was even better. I haven't see Marc's second edition yet.

    8. Re:Marc vs. Stevens by gameboy · · Score: 1

      I think "TCP/IP Illustrated" SUX how can you learn from a book you herd about on Art Bell :P

  9. Copyright infringement by sdjunky · · Score: 5, Funny

    You stole the following code from SCO did you not?

    void forktest (void)
    {
    int pid;
    printf ("Start of test.\n");
    pid = fork();
    printf ("Returned %d.\n", pid);
    }

    I'm certain you did. It's code and it can be used in Unix so it belongs to SCO.

    1. Re:Copyright infringement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You stole the following code from SCO did you not?

      void forktest (void)
      {
      int pid;
      printf ("Start of test.\n");
      pid = fork();
      printf ("Returned %d.\n", pid);
      }

      I'm certain you did. It's code and it can be used in Unix so it belongs to SCO.


      Arrrggh! You copied and pasted it too, so your guilty too! Will it never end?

      Uh-oh...I think I'm in the same boat....

    2. Re:Copyright infringement by sdjunky · · Score: 1


      Copyright infringement is a vicious cycle. Anonymous, let us create a support group. We'll start by licensing the code from SCO.

  10. Obvious question by Florian+Weimer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How does it compare to APUE?

    1. Re:Obvious question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Go to the Quik-E-Mart and see for yourself.

    2. Re:Obvious question by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 1

      Leading question. I hope some gurus answer. I was planning to buy APUE, and I want to know!

    3. Re:Obvious question by khuber · · Score: 3, Interesting
      AUP is Unix for newbies.

      Buy APUE and Unix Network Programming volumes 1 and 2 all by Stevens if you're serious.

    4. Re:Obvious question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought APUE a few years back, and everything listed here is covered there as well. I wouldn't get both books. I can't speak to the quality of this book but APUE is a priceless tome. My programming knowledge and understanding of the nuts and bolts went from amateur to marketable solely due to Mr. Stevens.

    5. Re:Obvious question by maw · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Good question. One thing that caught my attention was this: Covers the system calls you'll actually use-no need to plow through hundreds of improperly implemented, obsolete, and otherwise unnecessary system calls! I read this as a mild jibe at Stevens; it implied, to me anyway, that it is at least likely to be leaner than APUE.

      A book with the rigour and depth of Stevens without the obsolete stuff (Stevens deliberately includes obsolete calls and functions, and with good reason, but it still can be frustrating at times) would be a worthy purchase. But I don't know if AUP has the same level of depth.

      --
      You're a suburbanite.
  11. Excellent Reference by muppetsrule · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have used this book for the past few years mostly as a reference for some of the really hairy stuff/problems that I have sometimes run into.

    It belongs on my bookshelf right along with my Unix Network Programming books (Richard Stevens auth).

  12. Um... by GoNINzo · · Score: 4, Funny
    If they were true programers, wouldn't this be the 1st edition? Cause if you start counting at 0...

    Or would that be the 10th edition?

    --
    Gonzo Granzeau
    "Nothing the god of biomechanics wouldn't let you into heaven for.." -Roy Batty
    1. Re:Um... by aled · · Score: 1

      A Real Programmer wouldn't waste two chars for one number, and not even one if already knows the number.

      --

      "I think this line is mostly filler"
    2. Re:Um... by pclminion · · Score: 5, Funny
      Or would that be the 10th edition?

      You should call it the 10nd edition. It confuses people better that way.

    3. Re:Um... by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1
      Or would that be the 10th edition?

      Uh, no, that would be the 10nd Edition.

    4. Re:Um... by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 1

      Unless this has a large focus on Linux programming, in which case it would probably be something like the 0.011th edition.

      --
      I'd rather be lucky than good.
    5. Re:Um... by eviltypeguy · · Score: 1

      You know, there are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who do not.

    6. Re:Um... by lahi · · Score: 1

      Huh? The 3/8th (decimal) edition?

      -Lasse

    7. Re:Um... by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 1

      Ok, I'll explain. I was just referring to the fact that a lot of open source/ linux software starts at a version number way well below 1 and doesn't hit 1.0 until quite a few revisions. So the second edition of a book that worked analogously could be below 1.0 (the actual value 3/8 wasn't meant to be significant).

      --
      I'd rather be lucky than good.
  13. Oh Joy! by Sloh_One · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can't wait to buy this book, go home, and snuggle up to the cozy fire with my Advanced Unix Progamming book 2nd edition.

    1. Re:Oh Joy! by Dingeaux · · Score: 1

      Can I assume you'll be using the 1st edition as kindling for the fire?

    2. Re:Oh Joy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should probably do something about your house being on fire first.

  14. POSIX Reference by the+frizz · · Score: 5, Informative
    AUP really is a classic. I may buy it just for sentimental reasons, even though I don't need the tutorial introducton to Unix anymore.

    Nowdays though, my definitive reference for writing portable unix programs is the merged IEEE POSIX and Open groups's Single Unix Specification. Registration is free.

    1. Re:POSIX Reference by Marc+Rochkind · · Score: 1

      Completely agree... the SUS website is a terrific resource. I'm pleased that you're able to come up with an alternative reason to buy the book, of course!

  15. worth getting? by rylics · · Score: 1

    So would this book be worth getting if I already own Stevens' APUE

  16. Re:SAMBA 2.2 to SAMBA 3.0 - what they didnt tell y by stratjakt · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    psst..

    Thats offtopic, but not flamebait.

    10 bucks says others are struggling with the same fuckin thing.

    Oh, and as for IDEALX's LDAP user webmin module, when you configure it and it asks for the "LDAP Admin Username", it wants the fully qualified dn, like "uid=cmdrtaco,ou=homos,dc=slashdot,dc=org".

    Of course, like all useful linux utilities, there's absolutely no documentation about it. Now some other dork can benefit from my hours of trial-and-error.

    But yay me, after a week of cussing, I know have a half-assed functional equivalent of a 10 year old server technology that MSFT abandoned!

    Who needs krb5 and ldap when you got flatfiles and MSRPC, right?

    And THAT's advanced unix programming, folks.

    --
    I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
  17. First Edition? by WwWonka · · Score: 5, Funny

    A book that has been considered a timeless classic,

    I am an avid book collector who has appeared on "Antique Roadshow" and "Cover to Cover Classics". I consider myself an authority in this matter. I have touched original Guttenberg bibles, been in the presence of the "War and Peace" transcripts, thumbed through the notes of DaVinci...but never, and I mean never, have I stumbled across this true classic! Ebay, Sothebys, 7 Mile Fair in Racine, Wisconsin...NO WHERE have I been able to zero in on this rareity.

    I will gladly sacrifice a small fortune to be in same vicinity as this timeless classic known by a few rare collectors as "Advanced Unix Programming, 1st Edition." Extra if it is bound by that cool shiny metal spirally stuff.

  18. Unix programming reference... by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    With UNIX having been around so long, I wonder how close we are to having a book of just varieties of implementations of "ls", since there are so many hundreds of UNIX scripts, scripters, etc.

    --
    stuff |
    1. Re:Unix programming reference... by mcx101 · · Score: 1

      There has been a huge amount of variation between UNIX implementations, but in more recent times standards like POSIX have emerged.

      --
      My operat~1 system unders~1 long filena~1 , does yours?
    2. Re:Unix programming reference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But there's a lowest-common-denominator standard even for ls... You need to check out the Single Unix Specification, see the link a couple of messages up.

  19. What!? by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The author tested the code on Solaris 8, SuSE Linux 8, FreeBSD 4.6 and Darwin (Mac OS X kernel) 6.8. In the preface, he talks about using a Windows box with SSH client to upload the code to the destination systems and run them there.

    No testing - or even discussion - under cygwin, MS's native POSIX subsystem, linux-on-windows or MS's unix services for windows?

    People need to develop for unix - for windows. All those killer win32 apps end up unix compatible, and future migrations are a snap once you tell your pointy haired boss that his favorite solitaire program is really a unix application running through a compatiblity layer.

    So there ya go.

    Seriously though, why do people ignore such things? The future is in hybrid systems. Your OS prejudices be damned.

    --
    I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
    1. Re:What!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Your OS prejudices be damned.

      LOL. This from a known MS troll.

  20. Fork() by nate+nice · · Score: 2, Funny

    I had an operating systems class and in it we had a discussion section where we learned various types of system calls, such as forking, mutexes, pipes etc. Our TA for the discussion was an asian grad student and when we learned about fork() he pronounced it "fuck()". It was great learning what happens when you instruct your program to "fuck()". Needless to say, all you would hear was held back laughter from the entire class. For some reason, it never got old, he always found new ways to make "fuck()" really, really funny

    --
    "If you are a dreamer, a wisher, a liar, A hope-er, a pray-er, a magic bean buyer ..."
    1. Re:Fork() by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you fork() a process you get a child and a parent process, but where is the other parent?

      So you fuck() yourself and get a child :-)

    2. Re:Fork() by mslinux · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of a Chinese place a friend and mine use to eat at. The waitresses would always ask, "You wanna fork?" Naturally, it sounded like fuck instead of fork.

    3. Re:Fork() by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When it comes to racist jokes, the old ones are the best aren't they.

    4. Re:Fork() by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a far sight more appealing than the time I entered a Thai restaurant, and the hostess asked (I thought), "You hava laceration?" No, and I didn't have a reservation, either.

  21. Where to start a review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where do you even start to review?

    Um, page 1?

  22. Water cooler? by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

    A way to win friends and amuse the opposite sex during watercooler talks is to offer the following example:

    I don't think any of the opposite sex will be amused. In fact, I seriously doubt it.

    --
    Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
    1. Re:Water cooler? by cachorro · · Score: 1

      I don't think any of the opposite sex will be amused.

      Au contraire!

      They may not be particularly interested, but I am certain that they will be amused, although they will probably wait for you to leave before ROTFLTAO at what a geek you are.

      Or maybe it's just me...

    2. Re:Water cooler? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure the cute girls at my lab would be amused with this (and they probably alread read it, since it's on Slashdot). Stop being machist.

    3. Re:Water cooler? by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      Okay, I want your job.

      --
      Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
  23. File handle passing by Nate+Eldredge · · Score: 2, Informative

    They leave out my favorite example of an advanced Unix programming technique, which is file handle passing. You can actually pass an open file handle from one unrelated process to another.

    Sure, it's easy to have two processes open the same file. If it's something like a pipe that exists anonymously, you can still give it to a child process by having it open when you fork. But to pass it to a process that isn't a child? Tougher, but not, surprisingly, impossible. (It involves Unix domain sockets, of all things.)

    I generally don't find too many people that know about this, but it can be very useful on occasion. I think it definitely qualifies as an important technique, and the fact that this book doesn't appear to mention it is a strike against it. (Stevens discusses the topic, of course.)

    1. Re:File handle passing by treat · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. It is impossible to pass a file handle from one process to another unless the 'other' process is a child. In which case you're not really passing it, anyway, are you. It is just continuing to exist along the path of execution.

    2. Re:File handle passing by Chirs · · Score: 1

      From the unix socket man page:

      "Unix sockets support passing file descriptors or process credentials to other processes using ancillary data."

    3. Re:File handle passing by Nate+Eldredge · · Score: 2, Informative
      Okay, then, I'll put up. Please see this code. (I tried to post it here but the lameness filter prevented me.)

      Notice:

      • proc1 and proc2 are siblings, not parent and child
      • /tmp/foobar is never opened by proc2 or its parent
      • only proc2 writes the message "hello world"
      Yet somehow /tmp/foobar gets the message in it anyway.

      Credit Kragen Sitaker for the original code which I hacked to be a better demo. (I never claimed I could remember offhand how to do this, and I no longer have my copy of Stevens, but I do know it can be done.) It's at this url if you want to see the original.

      Tested on Linux and FreeBSD. On Solaris a couple of changes with respect to the CMSG_* macros are needed; I'm too lazy to figure this out.

  24. Looking for other good UNIX programming books by gsfx · · Score: 1

    I'm looking for good UNIX programming books that don't hide the ugly reality of porting between different Unix systems. Including shared libraries, threads and siganls, etc.

  25. damn, I just purchased this a year or so ago by JDizzy · · Score: 0

    Now I'm stuck with an older version of the book. Guess maybe I can sell it on Amazon to some tard, but what tard would actually buy the first edition? Guess I'm the tard with an old programming book. Damn it!

    --
    It isn't a lie if you belive it.
  26. opendir() is a new feature by Albert+Cahalan · · Score: 2, Informative

    The old way was to call open() on the directory,
    then simply use read() to get an array of structs.
    Each struct had a 16-bit inode number and a
    14-character filename.

    Linux broke support for this, because 32-bit inode
    numbers and 255-character filenames would not fit.
    Linux would get stuck with DOS-style name mangling
    and some sort of inode remapping. Like this:

    Linux_i~1.html

    (but hey, 14 characters beats 8.3 style names)

    1. Re:opendir() is a new feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Linux broke support for this, because 32-bit inode
      numbers and 255-character filenames would not fit.
      Linux would get stuck with DOS-style name mangling
      and some sort of inode remapping. Like this:


      Not true, asswipe.
      Linux was not the first *nix to break support for ths.
      Using open/read on dirs has never never been portable.

      Shitface. Get your facts straight.

    2. Re:opendir() is a new feature by Albert+Cahalan · · Score: 1

      ROTFLMAO

      Did I ever say Linux was the first? Linux did
      support read() on directories long ago though,
      as did many other systems around 1990.

      It was portable until Berkeley invented FFS.

    3. Re:opendir() is a new feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Play nice kids. There's no need to say "Shitface".

  27. I'm Buying It by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    I have the first edition and it turned out to be an invaluable (if occassionally outdated) resource in many of the C programming positions I've held. If you program in C on UNIX, you should own this book!

    --

    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

  28. APUE: great quality, but showing age by Albert+Cahalan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think this new book can compare.
    There's just something wrong with trying
    to write a UNIX book while running Windows.
    Stevens wrote APUE with *roff macros! FYI,
    that beats TeX for nerd value.

    Problem is, APUE is getting obsolete. :-(

  29. a true classic by emmelaich · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The first edition of this book ranked up there
    with K&R's C book and K&P's unix book as a must
    have.

    The style is light and engaging, and humorous.
    e.g. on the 'new' lseek call there's a footnote:
    "The extra letter (l) was available, since
    creat was one letter short"

    I still have my dog-eared copy which I refer to
    from time to time.

    HP distributed it with their first Unix systems
    in lieu of a an official HP manual.

    This 2nd edition adds a Java POSIX library
    which is excellent. I am already using it
    in production systems.

    (Comparison's with Stevens book are a little
    unfair as they have different emphases.
    Rochkinds is on Unix, Steven's are less on
    Unix and more on networking)

    1. Re:a true classic by Albert+Cahalan · · Score: 2, Interesting
      (Comparison's with Stevens book are a little unfair as they have different emphases. Rochkinds is on Unix, Steven's are less on Unix and more on networking)

      No way. Stevens wrote a UNIX book, not just the networking books. The UNIX book is about file IO, directory operations, system data files (passwd), process control and job control, signals, terminals, mmap, daemon writing, pipes, shared memory, message queues, FIFOs, semaphores, passing file descriptors, serial port IO, PTYs, etc.

    2. Re:a true classic by Marc+Rochkind · · Score: 1

      If you're using Jtux in production, I love to hear more! Please email me privately.

    3. Re:a true classic by jrockway · · Score: 1

      How can he email you privately? Your address is not shown...

      --
      My other car is first.
    4. Re:a true classic by Marc+Rochkind · · Score: 1

      My thinking is that, since he downloaded Jtux, he could reply to the Jtux email address, which is on the website.

    5. Re:a true classic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Marc,
      I have conversed in email with you;
      last year!

      I'll send you anothery though...

      (emmelaich, can't be bothered to logon)

  30. tcgetpgrp, huh? by jcuervo · · Score: 1
    They also are not saving whitespace on function samples, using the style where each line of source code and each { gets a separate line in text.
    Allman style. (Yay! Was starting to think I was alone in the world.)
    Don't know what tcgetpgrp() does? The index will point you to 4.3.4.
    Big deal. /usr/bin/man will just tell me.

    termios(3):
    tcgetpgrp() returns process group ID of foreground processing group, or -1 on error.
    Sounds interesting enough, though, and everyone else seems to be happy with it. I may check it out.
    --
    Assume I was drunk when I posted this.
  31. Free Software by R.+M.+Stallman · · Score: 0, Troll

    Firstly I feel I must correct the author on his error in referring to an operating system using the Linux kernel as Linux, instead of GNU/Linux. For the reasoning behing this see here.

    Secondly I note that accompanying any book on programming there should be a book on Free Software to educate the programmers of the future as to the importance of Free Software and the evils of supporting proprietary software.

    --
    You can read more about the GNU project at http://www.gnu.org/.
    1. Re:Free Software by Marc+Rochkind · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Almost didn't see your post because somebody rated it -1, clearly way too low.

      As you say in the 2nd paragraph of the article, "Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system."

      My book really is about the kernel API. There's nothing there about commands, shells, compilers, or anything else at the GNU level, except how to implement them. GNU commands are often used as examples, and the reader is pointed to GNU code for research material. (And encouraged not to read it before doing the exercises!)

      I suppose we probably disagree about what the term "operating system" refers to. Back when I was at Bell Labs and studying computer science, we didn't think shells and other commands were part of the OS. In fact, removing the shell, the file access methods (e.g., ISAM), and lots of other stuff from the OS was one of the key contributions of UNIX.

      The book and its website also strongly support part of your last point, the part about the importance of Free Software. The part about the evils is outside the scope of the book. (All of the code from the book is Open Source under the BSD license.)

    2. Re:Free Software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YHBT YHL HAND

    3. Re:Free Software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope the moderators have worked out that the parent and grandparent are recently created trolls by the same person -- the user ids are very similar.

      Please don't mod these people up, even if what they are saying is sensible. It's called trolling.

    4. Re:Free Software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope the moderators have worked out that the parent and grandparent are recently created trolls by the same person -- the user ids are very similar.

      I don't think so. Your parent poster was the author of the book quite clearly. He obviously signed up for a /. account because his book was being reviewed.

      As for R. M. Stallman, the posts he has are pretty convincing as Stallman's style and make sense, and are getting modded troll sometimes (which makes sense because Stallman is a troll). So feel free to mod Stallman into oblivion; gnu.org is his sandbox, he should stay there and out of peoples' faces.

      Please don't mod these people up, even if what they are saying is sensible. It's called trolling.

      Umm, methinks you might be a troll if I'm not mistaken?

    5. Re:Free Software by mcx101 · · Score: 1

      I have karma to burn so I'm going to point to the moderators out that it is in fact the parent AC that's the troll and not R. M. Stallman or Marc Rochekind. Probably a troll with an axe to grind against Stallman or something.

      If you look at the user page for Marc Rochekind he posted only on the article on Marc Rochekind's book. We'd have to be really getting into conspiracy theories if we thought he wasn't really Marc Rochekind.

      As for Stallman, the comments are very Stallmanesque so unless you think Stallman is indeed a troll I wouldn't mod him as such.

      I hope the moderators have worked out that the parent and grandparent are recently created trolls by the same person -- the user ids are very similar.

      And you're an AC. Whom do you think I'm going to take more seriously?

      Please don't mod these people up, even if what they are saying is sensible. It's called trolling.

      That's right; you're trolling.

      --
      My operat~1 system unders~1 long filena~1 , does yours?
    6. Re:Free Software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent down to -1.

      If you're going to troll at least make it more intelligent than the puerile "YHBT YHL HAND" when it clearly doesn't make sense when replying to an insightful poster.

    7. Re:Free Software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This whole thread is one giant troll.

    8. Re:Free Software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh please, just stop trying to start a flamewar with those AC comments. Some of the AC posts and craXORjack are the trolls here, R. M. Stallman, Marc Rochkind and if we're going to be objective the first AC reply to Stallman from someone disillusioned with FLOSS which was modded -1 were the legit posts and mcx101 was right to point out that the trolls that followed were just from someone who didn't like Stallman. Can we end this little flamewar now, and maybe even mod Stallman back up again: he is supposed to be a major ambassador of free software after all.

    9. Re:Free Software by Marc+Rochkind · · Score: 1

      Actually, I've had an account here for a while, and follow Slashdot actively. But, I thought it more appropriate to sign posts on this particular thread with my real name.

    10. Re:Free Software by forkazoo · · Score: 1

      I have to hand it to this fella -- he is the most organised, well prepared troll I've seen in a long time. He even gets modded up half the time. Amazing.

  32. I prefer the old cover by aurelian · · Score: 1

    It had typographic style. This new one is too fussy. What's with the maze and the yellow paint splash? Looks like a book about home decorating.

  33. Best Linux programming books by dioscaido · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Understanding Linux Kernel + Linux Kernel Device Drivers

    Those two books gain you an understanding of the linux kernel (and OS concepts in the meanwhile) only rivaled by reading the kernel source (and http://lxr.linux.no/ is the best for that!)

  34. Something wrong in the code? by Espectr0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I tried the forktest, and renamed the forktest function to main and ran it. It displays numbers like 731 and the > tmp does about the same.

    Am i doing something wrong?

    1. Re:Something wrong in the code? by trouser · · Score: 1

      Every process has a unique process id (PID). The value is guaranteed to be unique for your process. The value in the example is not really relevant.

      --
      Now wash your hands.
    2. Re:Something wrong in the code? by Little+Hamster · · Score: 1

      Straight from the man page

      NAME
      fork - create a child process

      SYNOPSIS
      #include
      #include

      pid_t fork(void);

      The 731 you get is the pid of the child process.

    3. Re:Something wrong in the code? by AJWM · · Score: 2, Funny

      Am i doing something wrong?

      Yes. Before running the it the first way (stdout is the terminal), you need to wait until your system's process id counter is in the low 11100s -- check by using ps, top, or similar. That will ensure you get the "Returned 11111" output. (You might need to try it a few times.)

      Similarly before running it with the output directed to tmp, wait for the highest PID numbers returned by ps to get up to around 22218 before running it.

      Of course, if you don't care if your forked process IDs are exactly 11111 or 22222 as per the example, you can just ignore the actual values.

      (Which I assume (hope!) you knew.)

      --
      -- Alastair
  35. italo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  36. 1st edition was great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    In institute where I used to work, we had one copy of 1st edition. It was the book where from I learned UNIX programming.

    From my friend who still works there, I heard that they had managed somehow to lose the copy. I was so sad, that I decided to buy one. Shipping costs were much larger that cost of the second hand book...

    Just when book arived, I heard about new edition!

  37. Compared with Stevens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    I have a copy of Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment, Unix Network Programming volume 1 and volume 2, and TCP/IP Illustrated, volume 1.

    All I want to know is, would adding this book to my collection be redundant, or would it actually be useful? Given the quality of the late, great Stevens' writing, I suspect the former...

  38. not just advanced programming by phoebe · · Score: 1

    looks like advanced compiling if the author can get that code to run ...

    forktest@moo $ gcc moo.c
    /usr/lib/crt1.o: In function `_start':
    /usr/lib/crt1.o(.text+0x82): undefined reference to `main'
  39. The "feel" of the 1st edition by luugi · · Score: 1

    To tell you the truth. I always liked the "feel" of the book.The book looks a lot heavier than what it really is.

    I just love the Addison Wesley books.

    --
    Think like a man of action, act like a man of thought.
  40. you need APUE, pages 479 to 489 by Albert+Cahalan · · Score: 1

    Every hard-core UNIX programmer should know how to
    pass file handles between arbitrary processes.

  41. It all depends how you define "Timeless" by cwsulliv · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder how much of the "Y2K problem" might have been caused by blindly following the author's code in the 1985 edition (page 51) which assumed the year 2000 was NOT a leapyear.

    1. Re:It all depends how you define "Timeless" by Marc+Rochkind · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I wondered the same thing, when I found the bug while reviewing the code for the new edition. (You've just proved that my hope that nobody was paying attention was in vain. ;-)) This time, I took no chances: Since what that code was doing in 1984 is now handled by a library function, the whole section has been removed.

      Interestingly, this is the first comment I've gotten on the matter. I wasn't aware of it myself until about 18 months ago.

    2. Re:It all depends how you define "Timeless" by cwsulliv · · Score: 1

      I probably would have emailed you, had there been email in those days. I'm too lazy to sit down and write a letter. :-)

  42. Free Tips on GNU/Whoring Karma by craXORjack · · Score: 1

    Richard,
    You have to get your karma up if you want your message to be heard. This is the way we do it around here. Never correct slashdotters with low number because they have 5 or 10 accounts with about half of those having mod points at any one time so they can mod-bomb you into submission. Only say things that teenage boys would want to hear, like "Doom3 rülz d00dz!" or "RIAA sucks rocks!". It is also important to pay attention to which catch phrases are currently hip. You don't want to still be saying 'All your base are belong to us' when 'In Soviet Russia' jokes are all the rage. Making jokes about porn gets you modded down unless its really funny and even then always spell porn as pr0n. When you troll, make sure you check that box that says 'Post Anonymously' unless you've built up enough karma to burn. And any bad comments about John Katz is guaranteed a few +1 insightfuls. Well that should be enough to get you going for now.
    Good luck with your whorin'.

    --
    Liberals call everyone Nazis yet they are the closest thing to it.
    1. Re:Free Tips on GNU/Whoring Karma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the encouragement.

      Well, it so happens that I have several other accounts as well, including one which regularly gets mod points and has the +1 bonus. But trolling as a user is more fun as your posts are more visible to start with, and they're more convincing for subtle trolls (signature trolls are especially fun, provided enough people are reading your post to notice).

      I hadn't actually meant for anyone to see those Stallman posts just yet; I thought posting on older articles would mean no one modded them any way, so once I started my Stallmanesque trolls when the article was fresh the more canny /. readers would see a long history that at least hadn't been modded down. That didn't quite work out as planned unfortunately.

      In future I'll stick to the easier basic karma-whoring strategy which I have perfected; if I want to get a +5 Insightful/Interesting/Informative I can be guaranteed it on the next article just by posting doubleplusgoodduckquacking early enough.

      The best plan now I'd say is to complement my existing karma Excellent account with another couple and then start some (subtle) trolls against free software and Linux fanaticism.

  43. Re:SAMBA 2.2 to SAMBA 3.0 - what they didnt tell y by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Translation: "I don't know how to properly examine the output of make install I do not know how to use which, slocate or find. I cannot understand basic error messages, but that is irrelevent because I don't know how to make proper use syslog anyway."

    The only point your entire post has is that the documentation is poor. So fix it instead of whining on Slashdot.