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OpenIPO and Lindows

An anonymous reader writes "Lindows is using bankers WRHambrecht and their OpenIPO process when they go public. The lower end of the pricing range will net them more than 50MM. But OpenIPO is designed to let ANYONE bid on IPO shares. If Linux can keep investor's attention and Google announces their own IPO, they could raise much more which could have impact on desktop Linux. Same CEO had near perfect timing raising 300MM with MP3.com IPO." OpenIPO is the same route Andover.net took back in the day.

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  1. Lindows? I thought it was not Linspire by Ra5pu7in · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ahh, so the real reason they want to avoid a drawn-out battle with MS is revealed.

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  2. Surprised by Wealth! Then by Total Loss! by sulli · · Score: 4, Funny
    OpenIPO is the same route Andover.net took back in the day.

    And we all know how well that worked out.

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  3. Re:Lindows? I thought it was not Linspire by unformed · · Score: 4, Funny

    they should set the name to Tofkal (The OS Formally Known As Lindows)

  4. Hot Potato and Musical Chairs. by tomblackwell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It worked out for me. I bought and sold and exited with a tidy sum.

  5. Broken Link by xy · · Score: 5, Informative

    The link to OpenIPO is broken. It should be:

    http://www.openipo.com/

  6. Re:Who is raising what 50 MM for? 300MM? by LouCifer · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, its MegaMillions. You know, the multi-state lotto?

    My guess is they're going to go IPO and dump all the money into MegaMillions in order to thwart off SCO's attack.

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  7. Desktop Realitites by deliciousmonster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mod me down if you must, but I hope that a majority of the IPO dollars are spent refining the GUI AND THE FUNCTIONALITY to be more similar to Windows.

    The fact of the matter is that it will have to more closely mirror M$'s interface than you think to be accepted, perceived improvements included.

    If Longhorn came out with an OSX-like GUI, it would work, but any other OS has to ingratiate itself slowly.

    Not that 2008 for Longhorn isn't slow, but you get the point.

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    1. Re:Desktop Realitites by nycsubway · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have a point there. It's not only to mimick what people are used to, but Microsoft has spent years and millions of dollars doing research to find what GUI most people will accept.

      A linux desktop should look like Windows not only because its what people are used to, but its what most people have proven to be able to use.

    2. Re:Desktop Realitites by Liselle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, I'd mod you up if I had points, because you're absolutely right (that's what you meant, though, isn't it?).

      Even Microsoft faced a backlash when they screwed with the UI in Windows XP, despite the fact that it's more intuitive. After users finally got used to the setup in NT/95/98/ME/2K, everything got flipped on its head. Fortunately, they are smart, and left a classic view in.

      For a Linux distro with a small userbase, trying to get Windows converts is an uphill battle if the UI looks different than Windows. Maybe not for you or I, but the technically inclined are a minority section of the Windows userbase. There is a lesson here, I think.

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    3. Re:Desktop Realitites by happyfrogcow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mod me down if you must... [snip]

      You hear him. Mods, get at it!

      Seriously though, screw MS-Windows functionality. In Outlook it sometimes freezes for a minute if I make a quick mouse movement and click on a menu. It feels like it's pondering which button I really wanted to click on, almost as though the click event happened in two different widgets. And after a minute of what I can only believe is highly intelligent AI computations, it finally determines that I wanted to click on "View" instead of the printer icon.

      Now the quality of the GUI is arguable. It's widely known, and while that's not all it has going for itself, I feel it's the bigest reason why people continue to use new iterations of MS products. If the computer illiterate has to do anything other than their repetitious task, they won't know what to do (i mean, the structure of menus within menus leading to dialog windows isn't obvious). But this mostly comes down to the fact that the typical users don't ever read the documentation or bother with the help system.

      So what's my point... I guess that it is this. We do need a consistent Look and Feel in Linux, that is atleast superficially similar to other popular GUI's, but in functionality (average response time..etc) it should surpass those other GUI's. Arguably we have this already through "themes", though maybe not completely (GTK, QT, TK, Swing, etc all look different).

      What I fear is that a lot of that IPO money will probably end up in marketting, causing Lindows to be the first Linux introduction to many people. I don't know a lot about Lindows but I doubt it is up to large scale scrutiny. A bad distro + MS-FUD could do some big damage to public perception of Linux.

  8. Re:Who is raising what 50 MM for? 300MM? by rebeka+thomas · · Score: 5, Informative

    MM is a standard postfix for "Million" of a relevant currency in financial circles.

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  9. Great opportunity to make $$$ by NineNine · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Short it! I mean, c'mon, this company is run by some juvenile jackass who thought that "Lindows" would be a great name, and actually started to try to defend it. That's the kind of stunt that some college kid could pull, not a CEO of a publicly traded company. I know that I'm waiting for it to peak (day 1), then I'm shorting the hell out of this. Lindows will be long gone within a year or two.

  10. Motivation? by nodwick · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Is being "better" enough to make OpenIPO popular?

    I suspect a big reason people use the current IPO process is not because they feel it's the best process for raising the maximum revenue, but because it raises acceptable amounts of revenue while letting people connected to the IPO profit by purchasing underpriced shares at launch. For this reason IPO shares are usually handed out as perks to people connected with either the company itself or their financial firm.

  11. Scamming people legally by BuddieFox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But OpenIPO is designed to let ANYONE bid on IPO shares.

    Sounds to me like legal way to scam/cash in on hype and an overenthusiastic general public.

    Benjamin Graham (Warren Buffets "idol") used to say that IPO stands for "It's Probably Overpriced".
    Factor that in with an irrational and overenthusiastic general public lacking investment skills thinking all IPO:s are winners (they usually forget the last bubble in good times) and you have a table set for even more inflated IPO:s and ludicrous business models going public.

  12. Micheal has learned from experience. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 3, Informative

    He had one of his infamous Micheals Minutes a while bakc that discused the ipo porcess he went threw with mp3.com. He was disgusted int he way that the shares were sold to cronies and friends of the finatial institutions that conducted the IPO. It reduced the amount of money the company raised, while make millions for others who did absolutely nothing. So, I'm not suprised he wen OpenIPO on this one. Still, I wouldn't be suprised if this was the begining of the end for Lindows. If you read the public disclosure that accompanied tha annoucement, they mention that they are essentially out of cash, and losing it hand over fist.

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    1. Re:Micheal has learned from experience. by kevlar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The funny thing is that if you have a stable business with stable income, you don't need to rely on venture capital and therefore would have much more clout when it comes time to whore your business to America via Nasdaq.

      When you raise venture capital, you sell your business to pimps, who in turn whore it out to the world. Thats what VCs do. If they had a legitimate business model, they wouldn't need to rely on VCs nearly as much.

  13. Oh, I get it! Buy tech stocks and get rich... by turnstyle · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Why didn't anybody think of this before? ;)

    "Same CEO had near perfect timing raising 300MM with MP3.com"

    hmmm, what's the current value of MP3.com stock?

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    1. Re:Oh, I get it! Buy tech stocks and get rich... by metallicagoaltender · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, come on. MP3.com was sued into obscurity, it didn't fail because it was a bad idea.

      So you're saying it wasn't a bad idea for them to follow a business model that was bound to piss off the major labels and get themselves sued into oblivion?

  14. Re:WTF Unit of currency is an MM? by EmagGeek · · Score: 3, Informative

    IANAE, but I believe MM is European for a Million... technically, MM is " a thousand thousand"

  15. Lindows IPO by doodlelogic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is interesting that this company's management was apparently involved in previous dud tech floats. This is the latest in a long series of floatations by companies that have not gone from the stage of having a good idea to the stage of making money from it. There is an unfortunate precedent for this company: just as users of mp3 sites wanted (at that stage) something for nothing, so linux users are generally still looking at the system as a cheaper, or free, alternative to those on the market. For Lindows to make a decent profit, it will either have to change the culture of its user base, or make serious inroads into the entrenched Windows market. Either will be a formidable task.

    1. Re:Lindows IPO by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ...here is an unfortunate precedent for this company: just as users of mp3 sites wanted (at that stage) something for nothing, so linux users are generally still looking at the system as a cheaper, or free, alternative to those on the market. For Lindows to make a decent profit, it will either have to change the culture of its user base, or make serious inroads into the entrenched Windows market.


      Unlike all the Windows users who like to "pirate" their applications. The workings of the scene itself may not be about free stuff. But they certainly feed a rather large mass of people who like getting stuff for free. This, of course, doesn't mean that there are no paying customers for Windows or Windows applications.

      Enter Linux. Sure - people like free stuff. But that doesn't mean all Linux users won't pay for something. In every environment I've worked in for the last 9 years, the organization I worked for could afford anything they want to include Windows and all commercial Unix products. They ran all these environments... and Linux. They would even pay for Linux support and applications that ran on Linux. And today my Organization pays for RedHat Enterprise.

      As for me... my own workstation at home is Debian Linux. My laptop is Mandrake - from a boxed set I purchased at the local Best Buy. I also own several commercial games that I purchased either at a local store or online. I prefer Open Source applications but will pay a fee for software when there is sufficient reason too. And I do the same at work.

      Sure - Lindows has a hell of a rough road in front of them. Anybody trying to launch a desktop OS in to this market does. And fighting dominant desktop environments such as wintel and MacOS is tough enough without also competing against other Linux vendors. But whether Linux users will pay is not the issue. They will. They do.

      But will they pay for Lindows?
  16. Re:Lindows? I thought it was not Linspire by cyb97 · · Score: 3, Funny

    The name won't catch on unless it includes at least one recursive letter ;-).

  17. I'll invest... by kevlar · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... as soon as my 401k, multi-million dollar homes, multiple ferraris and student loans are all paid off and I have some expendable income that I'd rather donate to the Linux movement rather than to my local soup kitchen...

    1. Re:I'll invest... by LilMikey · · Score: 3, Funny

      I've been paying off my 401K for years and it only seems to get bigger.

      Haha! When I started off here I noticed my 401k balance was 0. They almost fooled me into making payments toward it as well but my wily arse saw through their plot!

      Personally, I only invest in "Credit Cards". The intrest rate is astronomical... look into it.

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  18. I seriously want to know! by wo1verin3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But can someone explain what the huge appeal with Lindows still is? All of the hype building up to the release had to do with it's ability to run Windows apps.

    This functionality was never above or beyond any other Linux distribution... so it's just another distro now... right or wrong? What else does it offer besides the click and play?

    1. Re:I seriously want to know! by One+Louder · · Score: 3, Informative
      As I understand it from an article I read elsewhere, updates to the operating system are free, just as they are with Windows, and don't require a subscription.

      What the click and play thing is for is other applications which don't come preinstalled, and unlike Microsoft's recent experiment with subscriptions, you're not required to maintain a subscription to continue to use the products you've acquired.

      Since it's a Debian-based distribution, you can probably just use apt-get if you don't want to subscribe to their service.

  19. Re:WTF Unit of currency is an MM? by oldmildog · · Score: 4, Funny
    technically, MM is " a thousand thousand"
    Or 2000 if you're Roman.
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  20. 50 millimeters!?!? by vijaya_chandra · · Score: 4, Funny

    50 millimeters of what?!!?

    Why can't the editors be a little sympathetic to lamers like me in expanding acronyms!?!

  21. shorting IPO stocks by sleepingsquirrel · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're allowed to short the stock, but the initial purchaser might not be allowed to lend the stock out . So you might have to wait a while (those shares need to trade hands at least once) before shares become available for shorting.