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OpenIPO and Lindows

An anonymous reader writes "Lindows is using bankers WRHambrecht and their OpenIPO process when they go public. The lower end of the pricing range will net them more than 50MM. But OpenIPO is designed to let ANYONE bid on IPO shares. If Linux can keep investor's attention and Google announces their own IPO, they could raise much more which could have impact on desktop Linux. Same CEO had near perfect timing raising 300MM with MP3.com IPO." OpenIPO is the same route Andover.net took back in the day.

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  1. Lindows? I thought it was not Linspire by Ra5pu7in · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ahh, so the real reason they want to avoid a drawn-out battle with MS is revealed.

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  2. Surprised by Wealth! Then by Total Loss! by sulli · · Score: 4, Funny
    OpenIPO is the same route Andover.net took back in the day.

    And we all know how well that worked out.

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  3. Re:Lindows? I thought it was not Linspire by unformed · · Score: 4, Funny

    they should set the name to Tofkal (The OS Formally Known As Lindows)

  4. Hot Potato and Musical Chairs. by tomblackwell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It worked out for me. I bought and sold and exited with a tidy sum.

    1. Re:Hot Potato and Musical Chairs. by tomblackwell · · Score: 2, Informative

      I never got my shares from the IPO. I just bought when the market opened. There was still plenty of profit to be made, even if you got cut out of the IPO. Also, Taco et al had to hang on to their stocks for a while, and watch them erode. Taco started with $6 million, but I'm guessing he got out with much, much less.

  5. Re:Who is raising what 50 MM for? 300MM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, plus the URL is missing the ".com". OpenIPO

  6. Broken Link by xy · · Score: 5, Informative

    The link to OpenIPO is broken. It should be:

    http://www.openipo.com/

  7. Re:Who is raising what 50 MM for? 300MM? by LouCifer · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, its MegaMillions. You know, the multi-state lotto?

    My guess is they're going to go IPO and dump all the money into MegaMillions in order to thwart off SCO's attack.

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  8. Desktop Realitites by deliciousmonster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mod me down if you must, but I hope that a majority of the IPO dollars are spent refining the GUI AND THE FUNCTIONALITY to be more similar to Windows.

    The fact of the matter is that it will have to more closely mirror M$'s interface than you think to be accepted, perceived improvements included.

    If Longhorn came out with an OSX-like GUI, it would work, but any other OS has to ingratiate itself slowly.

    Not that 2008 for Longhorn isn't slow, but you get the point.

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    1. Re:Desktop Realitites by NineNine · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Mod me down if you must, but I hope that a majority of the IPO dollars are spent refining the GUI AND THE FUNCTIONALITY to be more similar to Windows.


      I hope so too, since I'm going to be shorting, and this company is going to be nothing but a big lawsuit target for all kinds of copyright & trademark infringements. Hell, leave the name "Lindows", make a "Start" button, and put a big MS logo on the desktop.

    2. Re:Desktop Realitites by nomadic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Mod me down if you must, but I hope that a majority of the IPO dollars are spent refining the GUI AND THE FUNCTIONALITY to be more similar to Windows.

      If by "refining the GUI" you mean hiring sales and marketing, and padding the salaries of executives, you're perfectly correct.

    3. Re:Desktop Realitites by nycsubway · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have a point there. It's not only to mimick what people are used to, but Microsoft has spent years and millions of dollars doing research to find what GUI most people will accept.

      A linux desktop should look like Windows not only because its what people are used to, but its what most people have proven to be able to use.

    4. Re:Desktop Realitites by Liselle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, I'd mod you up if I had points, because you're absolutely right (that's what you meant, though, isn't it?).

      Even Microsoft faced a backlash when they screwed with the UI in Windows XP, despite the fact that it's more intuitive. After users finally got used to the setup in NT/95/98/ME/2K, everything got flipped on its head. Fortunately, they are smart, and left a classic view in.

      For a Linux distro with a small userbase, trying to get Windows converts is an uphill battle if the UI looks different than Windows. Maybe not for you or I, but the technically inclined are a minority section of the Windows userbase. There is a lesson here, I think.

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    5. Re:Desktop Realitites by happyfrogcow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mod me down if you must... [snip]

      You hear him. Mods, get at it!

      Seriously though, screw MS-Windows functionality. In Outlook it sometimes freezes for a minute if I make a quick mouse movement and click on a menu. It feels like it's pondering which button I really wanted to click on, almost as though the click event happened in two different widgets. And after a minute of what I can only believe is highly intelligent AI computations, it finally determines that I wanted to click on "View" instead of the printer icon.

      Now the quality of the GUI is arguable. It's widely known, and while that's not all it has going for itself, I feel it's the bigest reason why people continue to use new iterations of MS products. If the computer illiterate has to do anything other than their repetitious task, they won't know what to do (i mean, the structure of menus within menus leading to dialog windows isn't obvious). But this mostly comes down to the fact that the typical users don't ever read the documentation or bother with the help system.

      So what's my point... I guess that it is this. We do need a consistent Look and Feel in Linux, that is atleast superficially similar to other popular GUI's, but in functionality (average response time..etc) it should surpass those other GUI's. Arguably we have this already through "themes", though maybe not completely (GTK, QT, TK, Swing, etc all look different).

      What I fear is that a lot of that IPO money will probably end up in marketting, causing Lindows to be the first Linux introduction to many people. I don't know a lot about Lindows but I doubt it is up to large scale scrutiny. A bad distro + MS-FUD could do some big damage to public perception of Linux.

    6. Re:Desktop Realitites by evilviper · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Microsoft has spent years and millions of dollars doing research to find what GUI most people will accept.

      Oh? And when did they do this research, and what came out of it?

      Did they do this research before Windows 3.1? Did they do this research before WIndows 95? Or did they do this before Windows XP, and create the new interface that everyone truely hates?

      If Microsoft really has been spending lots of money on research, they've been getting ripped off by somebody.
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    7. Re:Desktop Realitites by DebianRcksLindowsLie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Mod me down if you must, but I hope that a majority of the IPO dollars are spent refining the GUI AND THE FUNCTIONALITY to be more similar to Windows.

      Um - 20% is going right back into Robertson's pocket, and then the IPO firm is getting a big chunk. So no, they won't do that. This is a legal Ponzi scheme and nothing else. Read the filing. They will run out of money in 24 months. This is a dot bomb waiting to happen.

  9. Re:Who is raising what 50 MM for? 300MM? by rebeka+thomas · · Score: 5, Informative

    MM is a standard postfix for "Million" of a relevant currency in financial circles.

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  10. Oh, yeah... by Otter · · Score: 2, Funny
    Same CEO had near perfect timing raising 300MM with MP3.com IPO. OpenIPO is the same route Andover.net took back in the day.

    Sales of disco records increased 700% through 1978! If this trend continues...AAAAAYYYYYY!

    (No, I'm not sufficiently motivated to go to SNPP and get the quote right.)

  11. Great opportunity to make $$$ by NineNine · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Short it! I mean, c'mon, this company is run by some juvenile jackass who thought that "Lindows" would be a great name, and actually started to try to defend it. That's the kind of stunt that some college kid could pull, not a CEO of a publicly traded company. I know that I'm waiting for it to peak (day 1), then I'm shorting the hell out of this. Lindows will be long gone within a year or two.

    1. Re:Great opportunity to make $$$ by synergy3000 · · Score: 2, Informative

      AFAIK you are not allowed to short IPO stocks for a certain period of time. I think that will also depend on which board the stock is listed.

  12. Motivation? by nodwick · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Is being "better" enough to make OpenIPO popular?

    I suspect a big reason people use the current IPO process is not because they feel it's the best process for raising the maximum revenue, but because it raises acceptable amounts of revenue while letting people connected to the IPO profit by purchasing underpriced shares at launch. For this reason IPO shares are usually handed out as perks to people connected with either the company itself or their financial firm.

  13. Re:Overview by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Informative

    I submitted a story when Lindows announced their IPO a week ago. Rejected.

    Anyway, Lindows (not linspire) is going IPO. They've said that they are going to keep using the Lindows name for their company, and the Linspire name only as a name for their software products in some countries.

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  14. Scamming people legally by BuddieFox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But OpenIPO is designed to let ANYONE bid on IPO shares.

    Sounds to me like legal way to scam/cash in on hype and an overenthusiastic general public.

    Benjamin Graham (Warren Buffets "idol") used to say that IPO stands for "It's Probably Overpriced".
    Factor that in with an irrational and overenthusiastic general public lacking investment skills thinking all IPO:s are winners (they usually forget the last bubble in good times) and you have a table set for even more inflated IPO:s and ludicrous business models going public.

  15. Micheal has learned from experience. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 3, Informative

    He had one of his infamous Micheals Minutes a while bakc that discused the ipo porcess he went threw with mp3.com. He was disgusted int he way that the shares were sold to cronies and friends of the finatial institutions that conducted the IPO. It reduced the amount of money the company raised, while make millions for others who did absolutely nothing. So, I'm not suprised he wen OpenIPO on this one. Still, I wouldn't be suprised if this was the begining of the end for Lindows. If you read the public disclosure that accompanied tha annoucement, they mention that they are essentially out of cash, and losing it hand over fist.

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    1. Re:Micheal has learned from experience. by kevlar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The funny thing is that if you have a stable business with stable income, you don't need to rely on venture capital and therefore would have much more clout when it comes time to whore your business to America via Nasdaq.

      When you raise venture capital, you sell your business to pimps, who in turn whore it out to the world. Thats what VCs do. If they had a legitimate business model, they wouldn't need to rely on VCs nearly as much.

  16. Oh, I get it! Buy tech stocks and get rich... by turnstyle · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Why didn't anybody think of this before? ;)

    "Same CEO had near perfect timing raising 300MM with MP3.com"

    hmmm, what's the current value of MP3.com stock?

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    1. Re:Oh, I get it! Buy tech stocks and get rich... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      hmmm, what's the current value of MP3.com stock?
      Oh, come on. MP3.com was sued into obscurity, it didn't fail because it was a bad idea. Get your wagons in a circle, ya?
    2. Re:Oh, I get it! Buy tech stocks and get rich... by metallicagoaltender · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, come on. MP3.com was sued into obscurity, it didn't fail because it was a bad idea.

      So you're saying it wasn't a bad idea for them to follow a business model that was bound to piss off the major labels and get themselves sued into oblivion?

    3. Re:Oh, I get it! Buy tech stocks and get rich... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, I'm not, you have a good point. It wasn't their business model though, but rather an early mistake that cost them in the long run.

    4. Re:Oh, I get it! Buy tech stocks and get rich... by wscott · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Oh, come on. MP3.com was sued into obscurity

      And no one would think of sueing Lindows.

  17. Re:WTF Unit of currency is an MM? by EmagGeek · · Score: 3, Informative

    IANAE, but I believe MM is European for a Million... technically, MM is " a thousand thousand"

  18. Lindows IPO by doodlelogic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is interesting that this company's management was apparently involved in previous dud tech floats. This is the latest in a long series of floatations by companies that have not gone from the stage of having a good idea to the stage of making money from it. There is an unfortunate precedent for this company: just as users of mp3 sites wanted (at that stage) something for nothing, so linux users are generally still looking at the system as a cheaper, or free, alternative to those on the market. For Lindows to make a decent profit, it will either have to change the culture of its user base, or make serious inroads into the entrenched Windows market. Either will be a formidable task.

    1. Re:Lindows IPO by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ...here is an unfortunate precedent for this company: just as users of mp3 sites wanted (at that stage) something for nothing, so linux users are generally still looking at the system as a cheaper, or free, alternative to those on the market. For Lindows to make a decent profit, it will either have to change the culture of its user base, or make serious inroads into the entrenched Windows market.


      Unlike all the Windows users who like to "pirate" their applications. The workings of the scene itself may not be about free stuff. But they certainly feed a rather large mass of people who like getting stuff for free. This, of course, doesn't mean that there are no paying customers for Windows or Windows applications.

      Enter Linux. Sure - people like free stuff. But that doesn't mean all Linux users won't pay for something. In every environment I've worked in for the last 9 years, the organization I worked for could afford anything they want to include Windows and all commercial Unix products. They ran all these environments... and Linux. They would even pay for Linux support and applications that ran on Linux. And today my Organization pays for RedHat Enterprise.

      As for me... my own workstation at home is Debian Linux. My laptop is Mandrake - from a boxed set I purchased at the local Best Buy. I also own several commercial games that I purchased either at a local store or online. I prefer Open Source applications but will pay a fee for software when there is sufficient reason too. And I do the same at work.

      Sure - Lindows has a hell of a rough road in front of them. Anybody trying to launch a desktop OS in to this market does. And fighting dominant desktop environments such as wintel and MacOS is tough enough without also competing against other Linux vendors. But whether Linux users will pay is not the issue. They will. They do.

      But will they pay for Lindows?
  19. Re:Lindows? I thought it was not Linspire by cyb97 · · Score: 3, Funny

    The name won't catch on unless it includes at least one recursive letter ;-).

  20. I'll invest... by kevlar · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... as soon as my 401k, multi-million dollar homes, multiple ferraris and student loans are all paid off and I have some expendable income that I'd rather donate to the Linux movement rather than to my local soup kitchen...

    1. Re:I'll invest... by LilMikey · · Score: 3, Funny

      I've been paying off my 401K for years and it only seems to get bigger.

      Haha! When I started off here I noticed my 401k balance was 0. They almost fooled me into making payments toward it as well but my wily arse saw through their plot!

      Personally, I only invest in "Credit Cards". The intrest rate is astronomical... look into it.

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  21. I seriously want to know! by wo1verin3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But can someone explain what the huge appeal with Lindows still is? All of the hype building up to the release had to do with it's ability to run Windows apps.

    This functionality was never above or beyond any other Linux distribution... so it's just another distro now... right or wrong? What else does it offer besides the click and play?

    1. Re:I seriously want to know! by wscott · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Especially considering that at $50 for the OS and $50/yr for the subscription to their software archive you might as well have just purchaced XP.

    2. Re:I seriously want to know! by One+Louder · · Score: 3, Informative
      As I understand it from an article I read elsewhere, updates to the operating system are free, just as they are with Windows, and don't require a subscription.

      What the click and play thing is for is other applications which don't come preinstalled, and unlike Microsoft's recent experiment with subscriptions, you're not required to maintain a subscription to continue to use the products you've acquired.

      Since it's a Debian-based distribution, you can probably just use apt-get if you don't want to subscribe to their service.

  22. Re:WTF Unit of currency is an MM? by oldmildog · · Score: 4, Funny
    technically, MM is " a thousand thousand"
    Or 2000 if you're Roman.
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  23. Details? by FreeLinux · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ok. So you think the Lindows IPO is news. It may well be for some people.

    But, when you report about IPOs it is usually a good idea to offer a bit more information about the company and its impending IPO. The link to the SEC document doesn't offer any of this information.

    How about a bit of information about the company and its present financials? When is the IPO scheduled to occur? I hope for their sake it is nothing like Andover.

  24. Grasping at straws by andih8u · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If Linux can keep investor's attention and Google announces their own IPO, they could raise much more which could have impact on desktop Linux.

    Its kind of sad how every linux story is always "this will probably maybe most definately finally be the tipping point for desktop linux." Lindows, or whatever their name of the week is, having an IPO for a product that will probably crap out in the near future, certainly won't help linux on the desktop as it will make investors more leary of linux.

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  25. Re:Lindows? I thought it was not Linspire by haystor · · Score: 2, Funny

    LinuXP. Just to screw with that other company.

    You'd also sell an extra 2 copies to all the LISP programmers out there who would think it's the "true Linux".

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  26. Re:Lindows? I thought it was not Linspire by Nimrangul · · Score: 2, Funny

    Tonkat (The OS Now Known As Tonkat) actually sounds much better than Linspire. Though the Tomcat people may disagree.

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  27. 50 millimeters!?!? by vijaya_chandra · · Score: 4, Funny

    50 millimeters of what?!!?

    Why can't the editors be a little sympathetic to lamers like me in expanding acronyms!?!

  28. Re:Lindows? I thought it was not Linspire by jonasmit · · Score: 2, Informative

    They are keeping the corporate name Lindows Inc. but the branding of the software changed to Linspire. The name Lindows is legal in the states so no problem with that - they just needed a new brand for Europe.

  29. Re:Lindows? I thought it was not Linspire by xoran99 · · Score: 2, Funny
    The name won't catch on unless it includes at least one recursive letter ;-).

    Lindows - Lindows Is Not Deemed Of Windows' Standards.

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  30. Re:WTF Unit of currency is an MM? by EmagGeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just spoke with a guy in my office who is from Ghana. He explained the plurality rule, as well as the fact that there is no "billion," but rather "a thousand million." I thought that was interesting as well.

    Neat, in any case.. me being an American living under the worst unit system on the planet hehe.. I'm surprised we don't use a monetary system that has currency denominations that are neither divisible by each other nor another common divisor.

    Oddly enough, Alabama is one of the few states that puts KM markers on the highways... yes... Alabama... scary isn't it?

    Damn I have got to stop procrastinating...

  31. Re:Surprised by Wealth! Then by Total Loss! by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2, Informative


    I can't wait for all of the Linux fanatics to drive it through the roof the first day!!


    Linux fanatics? Lindows? You don't pay much attention to the group you like tweaking, do you?
  32. shorting IPO stocks by sleepingsquirrel · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're allowed to short the stock, but the initial purchaser might not be allowed to lend the stock out . So you might have to wait a while (those shares need to trade hands at least once) before shares become available for shorting.

  33. Re:I have news for you..... by turnstyle · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "They control 90+ percent of the music"

    What you seem to be missing is that it's not at all like controlling 90% of some natural resource. There's plenty of great non-RIAA music, go listen to that instead.

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  34. Re:Lindows? I thought it was not Linspire by DebianRcksLindowsLie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I read that and thought you said Feature Manure. That would have been entirely appropriate.

    The OS defaults to running as root, and you CANNOT run CNR without being root. Not to mention it's set up with insecure Windows Networking compatibility to start with. Really! The preconfigured networking is set with a lot of insecure ports open.

    This IPO needs to fail and fail quickly. No one read the article apparently. Spending $6.7 million to get $63,000 in sales is um - BAD BUSINESS.

  35. Re:Lindows? I thought it was not Linspire by DebianRcksLindowsLie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually the name hasn't been declared legal yet. The fight's not finished. I'm sick of people who who say Lindows has a right to trade off the Windows name. The geek goes and kicks the bully, and when the bully beats the living crap out of him, he complains. I say let the bully beat him up - they deserve it.

    Maybe if they released quality software instead of getting publicity over lawsuits then they might be an asset to Linux. Until then - they are a bunch of charlatans and thieves.