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High-Altitude 'Security Blimps' Coming Soon

quackking writes "The AP is reporting (in New York Newsday) that the Georgia Tech spinoff company TechSphere has sold their concept of immense (300 foot diameter), high altitude spherical surveillance blimps to the honchos at Fort Benning, GA, and production is beginning now! (more here.) These things are as big as a 30-story building. Meanwhile Lockheed-Martin is working on gigantic 500-foot long robot blimps, (and more here.) This would be 25 times the size of the well-known Goodyear blimp. Says Mayor Don Plusquellic, 'For Akron, it's a very emotional thing.'"

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  1. Bounce wireless off big brother... by KodaK · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hey, fine. As long as we get to put an antenna on it and use it for wireless access.

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    1. Re:Bounce wireless off big brother... by bplipschitz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hey, fine. As long as we get to put an antenna on it and use it for wireless access.

      Hey, if it has an aluminized skin [or mylar or similar], you won't *need* an aerial to bounce signals off of it. Use your Pringles Can aerial, aim at blimp, and they bounce right off.

    2. Re:Bounce wireless off big brother... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They already have trailer-mounted portable cell sites. There is no need to use blimps, you can just tow them in behind a truck. They use them for major construction projects which encompass large areas.

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  2. Frickin Beautiful Legalese by WwWonka · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From the TechsSphere page on the project:

    This release contains statements that constitute forward-looking statements. These statements appear in a number of places in this release and include all statements that are not statements of historical fact regarding the intent, belief or current expectations of the Company, its directors or its officers with respect to, among other things: (i) the Company's financing plans; (ii) trends affecting the Company's financial condition or results of operations; (iii) the Company's growth strategy and operating strategy; and (iv) the declaration and payment of dividends. The words may, would, will, expect, estimate, anticipate, believe, intend, and similar expressions and variations thereof are intended to identify forward-looking statements. Investors are cautioned that any such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties, many of which are beyond the Company's ability to control, and that actual results may differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements as a result of various factors.

    Man sometimes the beauty of legal double talk brings tears to thine eyes...***sniff sniff***

  3. Two questions by dargaud · · Score: 2, Interesting
    • If they are this big, won't any idiot with a gun be able to shoot them down ? Kinds of defeats the purpose if they are meant for surveillance
    • I thought helium resources were pretty limited on the Earth. Were are they gonna get all this helium ?
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    1. Re:Two questions by StateOfTheUnion · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I read somewhere a couple years ago that the US military liked the idea of blimps etc. because they can stay up longer and they're cheaper to operate than a plane.

      As far as shooting them down goes . . . one could easily shoot down an AWAC (large radio relay and surveilance plane) too, but they are escorted and/or fly near, but outside the combat theatre.

      The intent of balloons/blimps is to keep them outside the theatre of combat . . . If it flies high enough, then one can use it to spy enemy activities past the horizon . . . or at least the horizon at ground level. In other words, at higher altitudes, one can see/snoop on radio transmissions/etc. further than at ground level due to the curvature of the earth . . . so even if you fly behind friendly lines, you can still spy on the enemy.

  4. Homeland Security by maxdamage · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Notice their plan for using the blimps for homeland security. Notice the lack of ballons to the north. Do we trust canadians now? (j/k) But seriously, what happends when somone flys over canadian air space and around the blimps?

    1. Re:Homeland Security by ThingOne · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They have used blimps in the past to monitor drug traffic from the south. Its called the TARS Program (and here. These blimps have been operational since the 1980's. (1984?). This new program is like an updated TARS program.

  5. Re:Techology has gone full circle by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They were Zeppelins/Dirigibles. To be perfectly honest, I don't understand why they're trying to build giant balloons instead of rigid airships. Rigid airships are easier to engineer, have better compartmentalizing/redundancy, and can be easily built to massive proportions. Instead we'd rather have a single inflatable bag the size of the Empire State Building.

    Am I the only one who's a little surprised by their choice?

  6. Re:Techology has gone full circle by meburke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, there were observation blimps as far back as the American Civil War.

    I think this technology is under-utilized. A friend of mine from Alaska bid to provide materials for the Trans-Alaska Gas pipeline and crane services by using blimps. He felt he could cut millions off the estimated bill and eliminate the need for a truck road by using blimps. Needless to say, no visionaries were on the bid committee.

    Blimps should be ideal for overland hauling, and they could make a great platform for cranes in many instances.

    R. Buckminster Fuller found that using a vacuum-filled strut in his tensegrity domes would make them air-buoyant. The struts "displaced" a volume of air, and enough struts made the whole structure buoyant. I think the University of Minnesota was building a 33-foot tensegrity dome from hollw firberglass struts and it started floating about two-thirds through the construction. Fuller envisioned whole neighborhoods and possibly towns floating around and tethered to the ground. Wanna live in blimp?

    As I understand it, one minor problem with blimps is containing the Helium used to fill it. The molecules are so small they eventually pass through most materials. Is "need more Helium" another argument for developing workable cold fusion?

    MIke

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  7. Finally, the strategic helium reserve gets a use! by silentbozo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not only were both rigid-body airships and blimps everywhere, helium was declared a strategic war material. A National Helium Reserve was established in 1925, and we've been sitting on stockpiles of the stuff ever since. Finally, it will get used for its intended purpose (hopefully...)

  8. Re:It's emotional for Akron ... by john82 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a native of Akron, I can tell you that blimps are an emotional issue with residents of the region. We associate blimps with Goodyear and, by extension, the rubber companies. Prior to the late 1970s, Akron was the rubber capital of the world. There were scores of tire manufacturing plants. Likely as not, your father owed his job directly or indirectly to the rubber industry (either he worked in the plants, sold goods and services to the plants, or sold goods and services to people who worked in the plants). The rubber industry was the focal point of local pride.

    Then the rubber union went on strike one last time... *poof*

    NO more tires made in Akron. Tens of thousands of jobs eliminated. The whole local economy went in the sewer for the next 25 years.

    Akron is just starting to come back. But in the minds of the those of us from Akron, anyone's blimp makes us think of the real thing (a Goodyear blimp) and the good old days.

  9. Re:Techology has gone full circle by ckaminski · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Most people don't know this, but 5 U2's had virtual OWNERSHIP of the east coast of the United states for about 6 days. I know one sits off RI which I hope to dive this summer (if the grave robbers haven't gotten it banned). Another one, IIRC sits off the coast of New Jersey, after terrorizing NYC shipping for several days.

    From what I understand, these attacks came shortly before Germany surrended, but my failing memory isn't 100% on it.

  10. Re:Umm...HELLO?! Sniper rifle time! by MajorDick · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ummm, hello, not even CLOSE, a 50 cal BMG dosent even have the altitude they are talking about is > 50k ft.

  11. Protected. Detective. Electric. Eye! by Tackhead · · Score: 2, Interesting
    > is this a reasonable time to start referencing 1984, now that they've started implementing actual plot devices from 1984 (the surveillance helicopters) in real life??

    Excuse me? In what way are 500-foot-diameter blimps like helicopters? They're big. Round. Like... I dunno... like... eyes! Big... electric... eyes! Yeaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!

    <airguitar>

    Up here in space,
    I'm looking down on you. My lasers trace
    Everything you do.
    You think you've private lives
    Think nothing of the kind.
    There is no true escape
    I'm watching all the time!

    I'm made of metal!
    My circuits gleam!
    I am perpetual,
    I keep the country clean!

    I'm elected, electric spy
    I'm protected, electric eye.

    Always in focus
    You can't feel my stare.
    I zoom into you
    You don't know I'm there.
    I take a pride in probing
    all your secret moves
    My tearless retina
    takes pictures that can prove.

    Electric eye, in the sky
    Feel my stare, always there
    There's nothing you can do about it.
    Develop and expose
    I feed upon your every thought
    And so my power grows.

    I'm made of metal!
    My circuits gleam!
    I am perpetual,
    I keep the country clean!
    I'm elected, electric spy
    I'm pro-tect-ed, de-tec-tive, e-lec-tric eyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

    </airguitar>

    George Orwell's 1984's helicopters are totally pwn3d by Judas Priest's Electric Eye, and Rob Halford sang it in 1982. Nyaaah!

  12. Re:Techology has gone full circle by Deadstick · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Thaddeus Lowe, grandfather of "Pancho" Barnes of "The Right Stuff" fame, provided balloon-borne reconnaissance services to the Union Army as a contractor, until he quit the deal in disgust over corrupt contract management in the Army.

    Germany used Zeppelins (aka dirigibles) in WW1 for reconnaissance and a small (though dramatic) amount of bombing. As a result of this, the US, which had the only known source of helium in those days, refused to sell it to Germany after the war, which led directly to the Hindenburg disaster. (Yeah, yeah, I know the combustible-fabric story, and if you believe it you can still buy aircraft fabric and aluminized dope and find out for yourself how much of a fire it makes in the absence of hydrogen!)

    British cities used "barrage balloons," unmanned balloons tethered over cities by steel cables intended to snag low-flying bombers in WW2.

    The entire US coastline and much of the Caribbean were patrolled during WW2 by Navy blimps (and a very few dirigibles) which were ideal for finding and destroying U-Boats -- a capability which can be explored by googling "Brewster angle".

    The Japanese fire balloons were aimed at the continental US...Hawaii would be much too small a target to hit. Quite a few reached the States -- I believe one got as far as a Chicago suburb -- but the gubmint pressured police, fire departments and news media to cover up the events as far as possible; there were no really big fires set, and the lack of publicity caused the Japanese to drop the project for lack of apparent results.

    rj

  13. Re:Techology has gone full circle by arfuni · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm pretty sure that a Japanese sub also attempted to fire artillery at some kind of (petrol?) refinery in the northwest. They missed.

  14. Visual pollution by AngryScotsman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now I live in New Zealand and these giant gas bags won't be showing up here any time soon, but I was wondering, will it be possible to see them from the ground? I expect not in the cities, but out where the air is clear?

  15. Re:wee! More cash for armament. by Magada · · Score: 1, Interesting

    In other news, our heroic Floating Fortress shipmen have repelled yet another Eurasian attack.

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