Espectr0 writes "Following the recent iTunes update, someone has been able to install the iPod update from Linux! The article explains how to hack the iPod's firmware in order to get it installed which is required to take advantage of new features in iTunes 4.5 and the iTunes Music Store."
"Compatibility with iTunes 4.5 and the iTunes Music Store" and this matter for linux, why? While I admit it's cool to be able to apply the update from Linux for the enhanced playback and for the ability to play Apple Loseless for the audiophiles out there, that doesn't seem like it would matter for those who are, you know, using their iPod with an OS that is unsupported in iTunes.
Originally, maybe. Then Apple realized they could make a hefty profit off the iPod alone, and decided to use iTunes to lure people to the iPod instead. Which has been a lot more successful.
Re:What's The Point?
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Nuclear+Elephant
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You probably won't have to have a Windows machine come morning, just a good copy of xMule and an Internet connection. If it's this easy to update firmware from Linux, perhaps this will nudge Apple in the direction of releasing Linux images.
What we need
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ikkonoishi
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What we need now is a torrent or a download for the clipped.bin file.
Or does it seem really dodgy just to hack the firmware for the OS... shouldn't Apple be doing this? It should be easy for them to do as there stuff is already BSD based anyway (isn't it?)
Hmm. So now updating your iPod from a non-mainstream OS is illegal?
Re:What's The Point?
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sparrow_hawk
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Not so exotic. I had to take the FireWire card out of my box and put it in my sister's so I could install the update before this one, and though XP handled it fine, the hardware swap was a pain in the butt.
This should make it much nicer whenever I get around to updating again.
The only way the hacking could be illegal would be if it were due to the DMCA somehow. The DMCA is a terrible, terrible act which never should have been signed into law. So yes, this is the best way to show our gratitude. Besides, it's not like we're hacking the firmware to run on something else (yet.)
-- "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Why we need iTunes for linux
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dcstimm
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If it was me....
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Rick+Zeman
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...I'd have just updated it from the Windows box. I guess I'm not enough of a linux geek to want to do everything the hard way just to do it the hard way. [shakes head]
Re:Hacking
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Powercntrl
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The story earlier today showed how easily Apple can change it DRM scheme which could potentially effect your entire music collection and thousands of dollars tied up in the hardware and music files and you are happy about it and actually justifing the action. Meanwhile completely oblivious to the fact that you have absolutely no control over what they decide to do and you have no choice but to accept it. If MS, the RIAA, TurboTax, or any one else for that matter did something like this, it would be the collective trend that it was a scary thing. Not with Apple though. I feel sorry for you guys/
I couldn't agree more. I'm even willing to put my karma on the line to echo your sentiments.
Hey Apple, my shit works fine right now!!! Maybe other people like to trust Apple with a new iTunes version AND new iPod firmware at the same time... I'm more of the mindset that if something isn't broken, messing with it will probably break it. I don't want the newest hottest version of iTunes & iPod firmware just because Apple says so. It brings nothing to the table that I need and could potentially introduce new problems.
Then, there's the issue of DRM. I happen to own another MP3 player besides my iPod... Burning and re-ripping is slow and a pain in the ass. I had less than 19 songs before FairPlay - now I have over 150. It's funny how it seems more worth the $0.99 when I don't have to deal with DRM saying "No, you can't listen to tracks on your MuVo2 or laptop that still runs Windows98." This latest version of iTunes not only updates the DRM scheme so FairPlay no longer works, but it also reduces the number of unchanged playlist burns down to 7, from the original 10. Apple giveth, Apple taketh away.
Fine, so don't upgrade, you say? I won't - and because of that fact, I can no longer make new purchases at the iTunes music store. Oh well, Pepsi's promotion is over anyway... Mark my words, it's all gonna be downhill from here... Do you honestly think $0.99 a track is going to last? If you believe that, I've got some "$9.99 albums" I'll sell you for $13.99.
Apple can keep their update.
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--- DRM is like antifreeze, to the MPAA/RIAA it's sweet, to the consumers it's poison.
I don't understand
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Anonymous Coward
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You people do realize that your tracks can be burned to CD-R and ripped back into.MP3 form, all without even leaving iTunes, right?
If that level of DRM bothers you, you are heading for a long, boring life devoid of any form of popular entertainment.
And others?
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divine_13
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How does it run on BSD systems? My guess would be pretty well, because of the fact that MacOS is based on BSD. Is that correct?
Re:What's The Point?
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MWelchUK
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Or just write some alternative firmware to make it work well with existing open protocols.
Seriously, people have hacked arround with the Xbox, why not hack the iPod to play the file types (minus DRM) that geeks want (I.E. Ogg...). I know its difficult, It probably doesn't have a standard PC architecture, or mac architecture, but I bet it's got a known processor in it.
Re:How hard can it be?
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Anonymous Coward
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It's amazing how many people don't (want to?) see this very obvious fact. Somehow they think that because Apple also competes with MS or because Apples uses Open Source software, Apple and Linux are on the same side or something.
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I'm working on reverse-engineering the new stuff...
damn... they break it 4 days after I get purchasing working in phpTunes...
Disconnect and self-destruct, one bullet at a time.
"Compatibility with iTunes 4.5 and the iTunes Music Store" and this matter for linux, why? While I admit it's cool to be able to apply the update from Linux for the enhanced playback and for the ability to play Apple Loseless for the audiophiles out there, that doesn't seem like it would matter for those who are, you know, using their iPod with an OS that is unsupported in iTunes.
Or am I clueless and is iTunes wine-able?
Originally, maybe. Then Apple realized they could make a hefty profit off the iPod alone, and decided to use iTunes to lure people to the iPod instead. Which has been a lot more successful.
I've got more mod points and GMail invi
You probably won't have to have a Windows machine come morning, just a good copy of xMule and an Internet connection. If it's this easy to update firmware from Linux, perhaps this will nudge Apple in the direction of releasing Linux images.
What we need now is a torrent or a download for the clipped .bin file.
Or does it seem really dodgy just to hack the firmware for the OS... shouldn't Apple be doing this? It should be easy for them to do as there stuff is already BSD based anyway (isn't it?)
Hmm. So now updating your iPod from a non-mainstream OS is illegal?
Not so exotic. I had to take the FireWire card out of my box and put it in my sister's so I could install the update before this one, and though XP handled it fine, the hardware swap was a pain in the butt.
This should make it much nicer whenever I get around to updating again.
The only way the hacking could be illegal would be if it were due to the DMCA somehow. The DMCA is a terrible, terrible act which never should have been signed into law. So yes, this is the best way to show our gratitude. Besides, it's not like we're hacking the firmware to run on something else (yet.)
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
goodread
keanmarine.com
They screw you over, you say thank you sir, may I have some more, and I'll write the program to do it with?
Er....no thanks. I think the proper way to show gratitude is to buy a Rio Karma or other portable player that includes Linux software.
+5:offtopic,but anti-American
...I'd have just updated it from the Windows box. I guess I'm not enough of a linux geek to want to do everything the hard way just to do it the hard way. [shakes head]
The story earlier today showed how easily Apple can change it DRM scheme which could potentially effect your entire music collection and thousands of dollars tied up in the hardware and music files and you are happy about it and actually justifing the action. Meanwhile completely oblivious to the fact that you have absolutely no control over what they decide to do and you have no choice but to accept it. If MS, the RIAA, TurboTax, or any one else for that matter did something like this, it would be the collective trend that it was a scary thing. Not with Apple though. I feel sorry for you guys/
I couldn't agree more. I'm even willing to put my karma on the line to echo your sentiments.
Hey Apple, my shit works fine right now!!! Maybe other people like to trust Apple with a new iTunes version AND new iPod firmware at the same time... I'm more of the mindset that if something isn't broken, messing with it will probably break it. I don't want the newest hottest version of iTunes & iPod firmware just because Apple says so. It brings nothing to the table that I need and could potentially introduce new problems.
Then, there's the issue of DRM. I happen to own another MP3 player besides my iPod... Burning and re-ripping is slow and a pain in the ass. I had less than 19 songs before FairPlay - now I have over 150. It's funny how it seems more worth the $0.99 when I don't have to deal with DRM saying "No, you can't listen to tracks on your MuVo2 or laptop that still runs Windows98." This latest version of iTunes not only updates the DRM scheme so FairPlay no longer works, but it also reduces the number of unchanged playlist burns down to 7, from the original 10. Apple giveth, Apple taketh away.
Fine, so don't upgrade, you say? I won't - and because of that fact, I can no longer make new purchases at the iTunes music store. Oh well, Pepsi's promotion is over anyway... Mark my words, it's all gonna be downhill from here... Do you honestly think $0.99 a track is going to last? If you believe that, I've got some "$9.99 albums" I'll sell you for $13.99.
Apple can keep their update.
---
DRM is like antifreeze, to the MPAA/RIAA it's sweet, to the consumers it's poison.
You people do realize that your tracks can be burned to CD-R and ripped back into .MP3 form, all without even leaving iTunes, right?
If that level of DRM bothers you, you are heading for a long, boring life devoid of any form of popular entertainment.
How does it run on BSD systems? My guess would be pretty well, because of the fact that MacOS is based on BSD. Is that correct?
Or just write some alternative firmware to make it work well with existing open protocols.
Seriously, people have hacked arround with the Xbox, why not hack the iPod to play the file types (minus DRM) that geeks want (I.E. Ogg...). I know its difficult, It probably doesn't have a standard PC architecture, or mac architecture, but I bet it's got a known processor in it.
It's amazing how many people don't (want to?) see this very obvious fact. Somehow they think that because Apple also competes with MS or because Apples uses Open Source software, Apple and Linux are on the same side or something.