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What Lies Ahead For Linux

An anonymous reader writes "Here's an interview with Stacey Quandt, a Linux and open source industry analyst. She explains why she feels Linux will overtake Windows as the number one operating system within the next three years." There's some interesting tidbits on what it takes to be an industry analyst as well, and some looking back to when most analysts were unaware of Linux.

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  1. What she really said by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Informative
    She explains why she feels Linux will overtake Windows as the number one operating system within the next three years.

    Nice out-of-context hyperbole. She was referring to shipments of new boxes in the server market. In terms of desktop market share, she says that mere parity would take "a long time", and she's looking forward to a modest 10% share (essentially changing from a "fringe" player to a commonly-supported niche player) as a significant milestone.

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    1. Re:What she really said by ScottGant · · Score: 5, Funny

      a Linux and open source industry analyst. She explains why she feels Linux will overtake Windows as the number one operating system within the next three years

      Wow, what a revelation! Here's some more:

      1. A Mac and OSX industry analyst explains why they feel Macintosh will overtake Windows.

      2. A FreeBSD industry analyst explains why they feel BSD will overtake Windows.

      3. An Amiga fan in his basement explains why they feel the Amiga will overtake Windows.

      4. A slide-rule professor in a bunker on the island of Midway still thinks the war with Japan is still happening...how he got on this list I don't know....

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    2. Re:What she really said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Funny, generally when Giga or any other research group comes on about Windows, they get shot down. When they come on about Linux, hey, it's gospel!

  2. She? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did they include some pictures... it, uh... helps me with my advocacy. Oh, they did. h0t!

  3. 1998 called by The+Bungi · · Score: 5, Funny

    He wants his headline back.

    1. Re:1998 called by benchbri · · Score: 5, Funny

      1998 called again, and this time left a message; they want their joke format back

  4. Hmm... That's strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought the Slashdot editors would have caught this mistake when they read the article...

    Oh. Nevermind. ;-)

  5. what it takes by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There's some interesting tidbits on what it takes to be an industry analyst as well

    Anyone who has read more than 2-3 reports from the "big boys" like Gartner can easily answer that one. Not much, save zero morals/integrity.

    I worked for a company which dealt exclusively with whitepapers written by the big analyst houses. The reports were widely known to be staggeringly poor, often blatantly wrong. It was hardly surprising that they were a royal pain in the ass to deal with on a technical level; getting them to use FTP to upload their content was nearly impossible. IT industry experts who can't figure out FTP. Special.

    I've seen numerous comments here on /., on stories about both pro and anti linux analyst reports, talking about how much of a joke these companies are. Most of the analyst groups do huge amounts of "commissioned analysis", which is then passed off as being legitimate, unbiased analysis- when it is nothing of the sort.

    Analyst groups have turned into little more than for-hire technical marketing (the computer industry's version of "military intelligence") who spew out documents just technical enough to impress/confuse the top brass.

  6. Re:Some issues worth further discussion. by lindec · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree with you that stability is a minimum, but it depends on if you are discussing servers or desktops. In being a stable, a server has accomplished a big part of it's requirements. The desktop is a completely different ballgame. Linux on the desktop is a very popular /. topic, and everyone always wonders: "will this be our year." It's been a long time coming, but I still think we have some distance to cover. Linux is very powerful and very stable, and pretty user friendly these days. It is not yet ready in terms of program installation, especially when we are talking about Joe Sixpack. From my experiences with friends and family, the "average" user has little or no knowledge of the command prompt and no desire to learn to use it. It has to be so easy that the user can click on a program and have it installed. There are solutions that are getting close, such as RPM and APT, but there is still some ground to cover. This isn't necessarily the biggest or most important problem with Linux on the desktop... I have seen many articulate and thoughtful discussions on this subject before. It is my honest belief that Open Source will have it's day, as many users are already switching to Firefox and Thunderbird among other things. Linux's day will come, but it will still take some time and honest, constructive criticism.

    Damn... right when I got my karma up....

  7. What Lies Ahead for Linux... by timecop · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Oh no.
    Linux has been "overtaking windows in the next 3 years" for at least the last 6 years,
    probably more. Don't get me wrong. I'm all for running Linux on some non-critical servers.
    But on desktop it's a freaking joke. I mean, you still can't play multiple sounds in Linux
    at the same time (unless you use a laggy userland daemon that takes a second to unpause your mp3,
    or buy a "supported" audio card with hardware mixing). For some reason Linus has a problem with
    putting kernel audio mixer (something Windows had since Win98 (and probably '95 but I'm not too sure))
    into kernel-mode, so now all "desktop linux" users are stuck with playing one audio stream at a time.
    Even FreeBSD, a much less "desktop" oriented OS (at least it isn't claiming to be "the windows killer"
    on the desktop every few months), has kernel audio mixing support since like 5.x-CURRENT. So this
    was one tiny nitpick about audio, something people on "desktop" will probably need sooner or later.
    How about video? Windows supports almost every known video card out of the box, while to get any kind
    of decent graphics in Linux you need to buy a "supported" video card. How many "corporate desktops"
    you know of that run on exotic "custom ordered" hardware? They all use precanned HP/Dell/Whatever
    desktops with generic onboard video and audio. Unless Linux will automatically without *any* problems
    installs on this class of hardware, forget using it for corporate desktops.

    And to sum this up, I guess the real reason Linux isn't going to be overtaking anything "in the next
    3 years", is the group mentality of Linux users in general. There are literally hundreds of half-assed
    "distributions" of Linux. And new ones seem to be popping up at an amazing speed. Compare that to
    the *BSD family, where there is only one "distribution" for each flavor (FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD) and
    once you know one, you should have no problems migrating to any other *BSD family. In Linux, every
    distribution seems to want to invent their own packaging system, configuration system, etc etc.
    People, this is not how you win users. You win users by creating a standard, easy to use system.
    Forget the 100's of distributions. Create a single standard and make everyone use it. Then, only then
    you might have some chance at a "desktop OS".

    1. Re:What Lies Ahead for Linux... by Brandybuck · · Score: 5, Informative

      Windows supports almost every known video card out of the box

      Actually, Windows supports very little video hardware out of the box. The last three video cards I had required me to install the manufacturer provided drivers in order to get out of VGA mode.

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  8. not only desktop share by dkode · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Probably blow my good karma with this, but oh well

    I agree with everyone that Linux has become more usable and more security oriented(depending on the admin), but the bottom line is that as far as corporations and windows in the workplace goes, I doubt linux will grab a significant user base because of some basic reasons:

    1. Alot of corporations will cling to windows because 99.9% of their userbase is on windows right now. They realize that there is cheaper alternatives out there (linux) but they rather stay with what they are using because it will cause less headaches for the IT dept. and operations as a whole will run smoother without messing with the OS that they are using.

    2. Users in the workplace are comfortable with windows because it is what they know. Applications are not quite as cryptic and windows is truly a morons operating system which is what the vast majority of users in the workplace are.

    3. The cost of hiring systems administrators is pretty close of linux vs. windows, but the cost of deploying software and the simplification that microsoft has deployed in this area is still untouched.

    again, my argument is staged more to linux in the workplace and not in the end users hands which is probably where linux has more potential to grow.

    prepare to see this posting get modded all over the place :)

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  9. MS: Bigger isn't better by argoff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The USSR, the plantation system, the railroad barrons, the oil barrons, the shipping tycoons.

    Alot of times people have this misconception that something can be too big, too huge, too much talent and resources behind it to fall from greatness. This isn't true. How many times have we herd that "MS won't let it happen" ... Well the fact is, MS's isn't competing against an opperating system, they are competing against a superior paradigm - and their half trillion market cap is nothing compaired to the yearly output of global industry. If they don't go with the flow, they will get squissed like a bug. like it or not.

  10. Re:Some issues worth further discussion. by Johnathon_Dough · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There are solutions that are getting close, such as RPM and APT...

    I think one hurdle Linux deveopers need to get past is their naming. Acronyms, abreviations, and random letter groupings culled from what the app does is not "user friendly".

    "huh? Where is the install wizard?"
    "oh, well you use RPM to get it."
    "wha? What does how fast my motor is going have to do with installing my Video watcher thing?"

    ...many users are already switching to Firefox and Thunderbird among other things.

    Maybe because they are names. And they come with a nice clickable installer. If they were called fbrsr and mrd, and required a full build from source on Windows, how much do you think their user base would grow?

    I am relatively computer literate, but if I have a choice between something that needs building from source, and a nice installer, well, computer savvy or not, I am also lazy.

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  11. Microsoft made me do it...thank goodness. by acousticiris · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is pretty simple to sum up in my mind. Although my desktop is still running windows at work, at home I rarely see it.

    But when asked the question why I have moved to Open Office from Microsoft Office, and why I have moved to Linux from Windows, what is the answer?
    It's mostly about rights and freedom. I'm not yet willing to admit that I am a full out FSF supporter, though I have been a supporter of the Open Source movement. Microsoft's licensing tactics (and not just theirs but the general tactics of many other folks have led me as far away from proprietary "treat-the-custer-as-a-theif" software as I can possibly get.
    Linux is great, and it has been an incredible learning experience (I've honestly never felt so dumb sitting in front of a command prompt as I did during my first Gentoo installation).

    I was never a *NIX user. I never had any desire to run anything other than Windows because I was happy with the product.

    But they forced me to look elsewhere, and when I did I learned what I was missing.
    So IMO, what lies ahead for linux is more users...and I don't believe that is limited to the server. From the desktop side, the strides that have been made in KDE and GNOME in the last couple of revisions have made them dramatically nicer to work with. From the server side...not having to have a GUI running on a server is quite a bit more efficient.

    Back in the day I remeber Microsoft recommending you change the screen saver to the black screen instead of one of those OpenGL screen savers on your Windows NT SQL server because the screen saver would bury your processor. I couldn't help but think why do I have this huge GUI running on what is supposed to resemble a somewhat powerful database server?!!

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  12. Earliest citation for "linux overtaking windows" by Twid · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Since you can sort by date on groups.google.com, I went looking for the earliest quote on "linux overtaking windows". Here you go!

    link

    There was an interesting editorial in one of the workstation 'zines a few months ago. If I remember correctly, their observation was that in 1996, UNIX workstations sold about 700,000 units, NT boxes sold about 250,000 units, and Linux PCs sold about 100,000 units. However, they projected that in 1997, the final figures would be UNIX workstations: 750,000, NT workstations: 1 million, and Linux PC's: about 500,000. On which growth curve, Linux overtakes the entire UNIX workstation market in number of units sold some time in 1998, and by late '98 is nipping at NT's heels -- possibly overtaking NT, if NT 5.0 is delayed any further (snort).


    Replace "NT" with "Longhorn" and change the dates and it still works!!! :) :) :)

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  13. Re:Some issues worth further discussion. by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're not in the minority, you're in the vast majority. It's just that most people in your position don't have any reason to discuss it. They just happily go about using their computer and having it work.

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