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Internet2 Plus P2P Equals...

Bill, I'm lost in cyberspace... writes "News.com has an article up about a Direct Connected P2P network set up at universities which are on Internet2. This is majorly cool! More direct information is available at i2hub.com for those lucky enough to be located at a University with Internet2 access."

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  1. Keep it for research... by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know why "Internet2" is faster than the "commodity Internet" on college campuses? People weren't typically using "Internet2" for downloading movies and music. Just because the "Internet2" connections are less expensive, because they are funded through research grants, does not mean that students should be blowing large amounts of pointless traffic through it. The funding can get shut off just as "easily" as it came in.

    Officials at the central Internet2 project said they had no theoretical objection to the students' action, at least from the strictly technological side. The network was developed to spur innovation wherever it arises, much as users of the original academic networks developed e-mail and chat features, a representative for the project said.

    Yes, I think that P2P programs can be considered research and should even be developed on fast networks like this. I just don't think that students should take advantage of the *currently* open nature of the network just because they can.

    Don't ruin it for everyone else like *we* did back in the late 1990s just because you want free music. Instead of fighting with the RIAA by downloading their music shut them off by not listening to it at all. Please support bands that allow the free taping and distribution of their music (see link in my signature below).

    1. Re:Keep it for research... by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I guess that is confusing...

      No, I don't think you should use Internet2 for downloading music. It should, for now, remain a research oriented network. Sadly, because of traffic being transparently routed via Internet2 to other schools on the network you wouldn't know you are doing it.

      I suppose it's just as much the fault of those that setup the network as it is of the students that are using it.

    2. Re:Keep it for research... by jandrese · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is justification. If you have this great fast connection with restrictions that make it useless to most people, then the beancounters are going to notice that you're paying a hefty sum each month for an effectively unused resource. They're going to start demanding their money back so they can spend it on a bigger football stadium or something. By loading the network, even with "unworthy" P2P traffic, you can justify the cost by pointing out that the network is being used and needs to remain.

      It's a common problem with publicly funded resources. You _must_ use it or you lose it.

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  2. Fun yes; Research no. by YankeeInExile · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Clearly the development of this application falls under the purview and purpose of Internet2 - whereas the use of it probably does not.

    No matter how you want to dress it up with rhetoric, the wide-spread broadcast of other peoples' material without permission is -- under current statute -- unlawful, and leaves one liable to civil and possible criminal prosecution.

    What never ceases to amaze me is how many students think they can poke at the bears with impunity, and then come crying when they get a claw across the face.

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    1. Re:Fun yes; Research no. by Mr.+Neutron · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Clearly the development of this application falls under the purview and purpose of Internet2 - whereas the use of it probably does not. [...] the wide-spread broadcast of other peoples' material without permission is -- under current statute -- unlawful...

      Why does "use of a P2P application" equate with "copyright piracy?" That's like saying "use of an automobile" equates with "running down pedestrians." Just because the app *could* be used for nefarious purposes doesn't mean there aren't a whole lot of really cool *legal* things that can be done with it as well.

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  3. Re:Congest it by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or just a proof that given time, bandwidth usage will fill to whatever pipe it's given no matter how fat a pipe you supply. Afterall, as our hard drives got bigger, so did the programs we were given to store on them...

  4. *we* Didnt ruin anything by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It was the over commercialization of the Internet that has 'ruined' things for us.

    Not that some people are sharing music and video.

    But then again, sounded like you have an agenda to push.. so nevermind.

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  5. bummer by sir_cello · · Score: 5, Insightful


    I, but probably others, realised not long ago that it's rapidly approaching the point at which the characteristics of "Internet V2 (post WWW)" can be ascertained, and certainly apart from high speed, one of them as the death of unidirectional WWW.

    The problem with HTTP is (as you see with the slashdot effect) that there is no inherent mass-distribution/replication in it. What will be the next big technology will be some sort of fluid merge between HTTP, P2P (BT, etc), FTP, to bring a real massively distributed content layer. Built into this protocol would be multicast as well (in a way, P2P is inherently multicast).

    This means that when you browse the web, your browsers transport layer is really acting as real-time P2P, and your network ISP would install seamless "content caching" (e.g. akamani style) as part of the network. Effectively, there needs to be a replacement of HTTP/TCP as a new "DTP" (distributed transport protocol).