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Internet2 Plus P2P Equals...
Bill, I'm lost in cyberspace... writes "News.com has an article up about a Direct Connected P2P network set up at universities which are on Internet2. This is majorly cool! More direct information is available at i2hub.com for those lucky enough to be located at a University with Internet2 access."
You know why "Internet2" is faster than the "commodity Internet" on college campuses? People weren't typically using "Internet2" for downloading movies and music. Just because the "Internet2" connections are less expensive, because they are funded through research grants, does not mean that students should be blowing large amounts of pointless traffic through it. The funding can get shut off just as "easily" as it came in.
Officials at the central Internet2 project said they had no theoretical objection to the students' action, at least from the strictly technological side. The network was developed to spur innovation wherever it arises, much as users of the original academic networks developed e-mail and chat features, a representative for the project said.
Yes, I think that P2P programs can be considered research and should even be developed on fast networks like this. I just don't think that students should take advantage of the *currently* open nature of the network just because they can.
Don't ruin it for everyone else like *we* did back in the late 1990s just because you want free music. Instead of fighting with the RIAA by downloading their music shut them off by not listening to it at all. Please support bands that allow the free taping and distribution of their music (see link in my signature below).
Now the files will move so fast the RIAA won't have time to see them! It's funny, laugh!
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Clearly the development of this application falls under the purview and purpose of Internet2 - whereas the use of it probably does not.
No matter how you want to dress it up with rhetoric, the wide-spread broadcast of other peoples' material without permission is -- under current statute -- unlawful, and leaves one liable to civil and possible criminal prosecution.
What never ceases to amaze me is how many students think they can poke at the bears with impunity, and then come crying when they get a claw across the face.
How does the Slashdot Effect happen given that no slashdotters ever RTFA?
Well at my school, the majority of the people with access to Internet2 are the Graduate Students, and I have a feeling they aren't spending their time file sharing (Though I could be majorly wrong, feel free to correct me). Ive thought about the abilities of Internet2, and the greatest things I could come up with were to instantly download ISO's for Linux Distributions, or massive amounts of source Code, or to trade a huge wealth of research. Im sure I am missing alot.
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Why is there a special p2p for I2? Here at RIT we have I2 and it just works automatically. If you try to connect to an I2 computre the router does everything transparently. So whenever we connect to another college student with a p2p app I2 is used automagically.
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During my last year of University the network was so bogged down with p2p traffic (or so they told me) that it was a nightmare trying to download any kind of large file. Suddenly it felt like I was on dialup again. The only way to get a decent speed file transfer was from someone at another Internet2 connected school. My understanding was that any connection between 2 schools that were on Internet2 would automatically use the faster other pipe.
From the article:
the network has drawn thousands of students from universities around the country to trade files and chat at speeds that far exceed what even ordinarily swift campus networks can provide.
Thank God! I guess Instant Messaging on this network really is instant. No more of those 100 ms delays!
The strong do what they can, while the weak suffer what they must.
It would be very interesting if the students managed to completely congest "internet2". I'm serious - if they do it then it demonstrates that we would still need more bandwidth.
This is purely a social networking system rather than a technical one. If I'm on an i2-enabled conenction, and you're on an i2-enabled connection, then any direct connection between me and you over any protocol is going to route over an i2 bandwidth link rather than going out over the open Internet link between our two sites...
Really, this is like when the Starr Report against then-president Clinton, and all sorts of ISPs who don't do content mirroring did a mirror for that document, since it was long and going to be frequenly downloaded that day. By keeping that traffic local on their own network, their outgoing Internet line was freed up for other traffic.
Knowing who is closer to your network-wise, which isn't aways the shortest physical difference or lowest number of network hops, but the one who has the most available bandwidth on the path that leads from you to them and back, when given a choice between mirrors is always very useful.
So, really, i2hub's goal is to just point out where useful content is on i2 rather than change any routing tables...
I went to the website and clicked the link for the Mac OS X software. The title on the download page reads:
Direct Connect for Mac OS X 1.1.0
Author:NeoModus
Program Type:Adware
Interesting...
yes, save the bandwitdth for those of us who are professional researchers of MP3s and porn
I love how they have a subnet ban on all of Resnet here at Texas A&M.
What do I care though. At least I know when the RIAA reads slashdot, it won't be anyone I know's ass on the line.
A common misconception is that this hub is "safe" because it is on I2. This is not so. People have been sued from using i2hub. No, I will not say who, but yes, I will say it's happened.
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Filesharing is just bad. Of course I do it anyway. But if you look at your campus' bandwidth usage, some ludicrous number like 95% will be p2p traffic
I've been using I2Hub for a few months and the downloads aren't that fast, at least as someone who has been spoiled by the internet connection here at RPI. Downloads from a user at another college with i2Hub are usually in the range of 30-80 kb/s. For comparison, this is about the same speed that I get from a p2p app that let's you download from multiple sources, such as eMule. If someone I know off campus, such as a friend from home, downloads a file from me via AIM, they get speeds ranging from 150-200 kb/s. However, for ease of use and individual files, as well as a better community, I2Hub is pretty good.
It was the over commercialization of the Internet that has 'ruined' things for us.
Not that some people are sharing music and video.
But then again, sounded like you have an agenda to push.. so nevermind.
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I, but probably others, realised not long ago that it's rapidly approaching the point at which the characteristics of "Internet V2 (post WWW)" can be ascertained, and certainly apart from high speed, one of them as the death of unidirectional WWW.
The problem with HTTP is (as you see with the slashdot effect) that there is no inherent mass-distribution/replication in it. What will be the next big technology will be some sort of fluid merge between HTTP, P2P (BT, etc), FTP, to bring a real massively distributed content layer. Built into this protocol would be multicast as well (in a way, P2P is inherently multicast).
This means that when you browse the web, your browsers transport layer is really acting as real-time P2P, and your network ISP would install seamless "content caching" (e.g. akamani style) as part of the network. Effectively, there needs to be a replacement of HTTP/TCP as a new "DTP" (distributed transport protocol).
Think about it. All it takes is ONE host on Internet2 providing a connection to ONE host on Internet1. And it *will* happen. Just wait and see. Maybe it will happen for illegitimate reasons, but I think it will happen for very legitimate reasons. Someone will need access for some reason or another, and there you have it.
Personally, I think that instead of building a bunch of separate networks, they should build more high-speed infrastructure for the Internet. Bigger pipes and more of them, more satellites, etc. Then, the speed will be there for just about anything, and communications within organizations can be protected with VPNs or other technologies.
Either that, or build many "parallel" Internets, each with specific purposes (science, government, business, 1337 h4x0rz, etc.) with highly controlled firewalled connections between them for allowing legitimate traffic to go between them.