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U.S. Gov Agency Blunders With Keyword Blacklist

Anonymous Submitter writes "There's an interesting CNet article which highlights a report released by the OpenNet Initiative. The report examines how "a U.S. government agency charged with fighting Iranian and Chinese Internet censorship is quietly censoring the Web itself". Among some of the sites this U.S. agency accidentally blocks are breastcancer.com, teens.drugabuse.gov, several gay rights websites, and even usembassy.state.gov. Some of the members of the group who prepared this report were responsible for a previous Slashdot discussion entitled "Academics Take On Government Net Censorship". The report raises questions about the potential inaccuracy of proprietary and other secretive filtering mechanisms: who should be responsible for ensuring their accuracy?"

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  1. Slashdotting! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is this just an excuse to /. the US embassy? Seems like this article is a terrorist plot.

  2. A new department is needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Perhaps the Department of Homeland Accuracy.

  3. Given that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Given that the mood in Washington is fairly anti-gay rights, what makes you think that one was 'accidental'

    </tinfoil hat mode>

    1. Re:Given that... by tyleroar · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well because as you could see if you RTFA, it lists what keywords are being blocked, Here.

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    2. Re:Given that... by maximilln · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Among people over 30 I've found that most military personnel are heterosexual upstanding citizens. Among people under 30 I've found that a significant portion of military personnel that I've met are homosexual men or lesbians who couldn't figure out what else to do with their life.

      My observation pool is skewed, though. The pool for the >30 section comes from people I've met throughout life. The pool 30 comes from people that I've had contact with while looking for a roommate in a geographical area that is saturated with military personnel (ie. within 20 mile radius of a military installation). Still, though, all bigotry aside, this indicates to me that the general mood in Washington is,"If they're willing to die in the desert..."

      Oh wait. I guess that's about the same as what you said. :)

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    3. Re:Given that... by fenix+down · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you make a filter that blocks everything with the word "gay" in it, it's can't really be an accident when a gay rights site gets blocked. Maybe it was an accident that they added gay to the list? Maybe they were all "hey, is this blacklist, like, a list of words the Chinese will be allowed to look at?" and then the other guy was like "whoa, I don't know" and then the third guy was like "probably, I guess" and then when they found out 365gay.com got blocked they were all "damn, it was an accident, man."

    4. Re:Given that... by Zeinfeld · · Score: 3, Informative
      Given that the mood in Washington is fairly anti-gay rights, what makes you think that one was 'accidental'

      Who cares? Compared to the fact that the draft board is making plans to draft geeks the blacklisting of certain keywords in govt. computer systems seems a rather trivial issue.

      "In line with today's needs, the Selective Service System's structure, programs and activities should be re-engineered toward maintaining a national inventory of American men and, for the first time, women, ages 18 through 34, with an added focus on identifying individuals with critical skills,"

      How much more relevant the Slashdot editors choices of blacklisted keywords and the SEC fine of Gates are to the average geek reading slashdot! It will be so good to know when you get sent out to Baghdad to fight for Halliburton, that there are people back in the US fighting for the right of middle ranking civil servants to visit gay web sites during working hours.

      If news of the plannning were not enough Rumsfeld has denied that the administration thinks that extending the draft is desirable or necessary. If you have been following the real news sites with stuff that matters you will know that Rumsfeld also said that there was no need for more troops in Iraq only a week before they were sent.

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    5. Re:Given that... by krunk7 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ding!! Ding!! Ding!!

      You've been awarded the Bigoted Idiot of the Week prize!!!

      How's it feel to know your a complete and utter Jackass?
  4. Extra keywords to submit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    binladen, linux, communism.

    Those topics are generally disturbing and harmful to both the security and the economy of America.

    1. Re:Extra keywords to submit by rthille · · Score: 2, Funny

      you forgot: "the economy", "democratic", "recount"

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  5. Naughty Words by tyleroar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Berman said. "Basically, we said, 'Implement a porn filter.' We were looking for serious, hard-core nasty stuff to block...I couldn't come up with a list (of off-limits words) if my life depended on it."
    Rrriite...
    Because he Never Looks at porn ;)

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    1. Re:Naughty Words by Ultra64 · · Score: 3, Funny

      3. Collect Underpants?

  6. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Funny

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  7. Regex trouble? by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 3, Funny

    "The official naughty-keyword list displays a conservative bias that labels any Web address with "gay" in them as verboten--a decision that affects thousands of Web sites that deal with gay and lesbian issues, as well as DioceseOfGaylord.org, a Roman Catholic site.

    What? Never heard of ...
    push @naughtywords, $banned =~ m/gay\./
    ?

  8. IT error? by eagle8635 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is this the improper setup of a filter? I know that a lot of filters have settings for say, blocking explicit sites (pr0n), but it is possible to tell them to also allow them to visit medical related sites (breast cancer). Did someone not configure it?

    1. Re:IT error? by Geoff-with-a-G · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some content filterng programs use lists of sites, categorized. This allows you to implement the kind of nuanced policy that you're talking about, (say block Sex/Acts but allow Sex/Education) but has the weakness of allowing anything that hasn't been put on the lists. If someone starts a new porn site, it won't be filtered until the fitering software list is updated. Also, this runs into trouble when a site (say, Geocities or images.google) hosts a huge vareity of content, and blocking the site will block all of it.

      The alternative is dynamically filtering pages based on words that appear in it. That's the approach being used here, but sometimes it's tricky to differentiate between a medical site talking about penises and a porn site talking about penises, just based on which words are on the page. Some material is ambiguous enough that different humans have a hard time agreeing whether or not it's porn. Good luck getting a fast algorithm to do better.

  9. just plain stupid by adamruck · · Score: 5, Funny

    um... they blocked the word 'my'.... this tells me the people running this program are stupid... nothing more.. I see no evil plot here

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    1. Re:just plain stupid by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      And never mind thae fact that people can be both stupid and evil plotters. Now that's scary.

      KFG

    2. Re:just plain stupid by spacecowboy420 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Why do people think it's GOOD to be stupid??"

      Not that I endorse ignorance, but those stupid people sure are happy. They just do what everyone else does and life is gravy. If you're stupid, you've got lots of company (since there's alot of dumbasses), so it's quite pleasant to drink budweiser, watch WWE, complain about commies and sand niggers, and make fun of smart people with all of your stupid friends. Ignorance TRULY is bliss.

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    3. Re:just plain stupid by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but my personal observation is that, unlike in the movies, when stupid people try to do evil they cause even more trouble for us than they'd actually intended, without even getting what they want, rendering the whole exercise pointless for everybody.

      Which is what makes it stupid.

      KFG

  10. Common Sense by fostware · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wish they'd use common sense...

    In school environments, we've always set the Squid filters to allow pages containing health, medical, rights, etc - words likely to give context to what may or may not be blocked

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    1. Re:Common Sense by jpmkm · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes! I finally figured out the formula to getting schoolchildren to look at porn! Tell everyone to go to healthmedicalrightsbigtitshotsex.com. I'll be a millionaire! Thanks fostware.

    2. Re:Common Sense by fostware · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey, I'm Australian. I'm prou...

      Oh fsck it, nevermind...

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  11. Censured Words by Rendrago · · Score: 5, Informative

    The list includes "ass" (which inadvertently bans usembassy.state.gov), "breast" (breastcancer.com), "hot" (hotmail.com and hotels.com), "pic" (epic.noaa.gov) and "teen" (teens.drugabuse.gov). Goodbye any site with the word topic.

  12. Brilliant Move by WebBug · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So, we want the Iranians to visit websites, but instead of allowing their government to censor what they can see, we'll make their choices for them.

    Brilliant. Now I've heard it all. So, when do we start "conserving bandwidth" in the US?

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  13. George **** & **** Cheney 2004!!! by grocer · · Score: 5, Funny

    wow....Bush and Dick are both on the banned word list...ooops.....

  14. A bit sensationalist, isn't it? by ePhil_One · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The agency is censoring pages coming into its organization, not the internet in general, like China and Iran are attempting to do. Why it's comical and ironic, this submission is a bit misleading.

    And I dount they have much choice. Government agencies often have this stuff mandated on them to "protect" the workspace, avoid having citizens groups screaming about government employees surfing porn on the job, hostile workplace regulation, etc.

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    1. Re:A bit sensationalist, isn't it? by Firethorn · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Bingo. This is part of my job. I'm handed a list of keywords to block, and we have the majority of the filters turned on. Anybody complains, I check the site, and unblock it if it's okay. The reasoning that is used to allow this is that the network is 'for official use only'. You want to do some recreational surfing, you can do it at home. Totally different issue from a library/public school.

      Otherwise, we'd have problems with people screaming about us not blocking it the first time somebody was surfing porn and an 'objector' came across it and said they're harrassed.

      It's sad, but the current policy is that 'harrasment is defined by the harrassee'.

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    2. Re:A bit sensationalist, isn't it? by UnrepentantHarlequin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not censoring pages coming into its organization. (well, it might be, but that's not what the article is about)

      It's censoring the pages that people in China and Iran can see, via a proxy server (Anonymizer, which used to be legit) that it is funding as a way for the Chinese and Iranians to get around their government's censorship. That's the whole point: They're replacing the Chinese and Iranian government's censorship with the US government's censorship.

      The Chinese government doesn't want Chinese people to read sites that have views opposed to theirs. The US government doesn't want Chinese people to read sites that have views opposed to theirs. I fail to see any difference.

      What's really sad is that the Anonymizer used to be a legitimate company, with some concern about things like privacy and freedom. I wonder how much money it took to make them John Ashcroft's bitch. I sure wouldn't trust them for "anonymous" surfing any more ... they probably have a direct feed to the Vaterland Security Agency.

  15. Who needs accuracy? by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The report raises questions about the potential inaccuracy of proprietary and other secretive filtering mechanisms: who should be responsible for ensuring their accuracy?

    Nobody needs to ensure their accuracy if no one will use them.

    I think they should quit trying to filter out pr0n and drugs etc, and instead focus on scam and advertizing cites. Then maybe I might use their filter.

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  16. Re:only employees are filtered by Uncle+Gropey · · Score: 4, Funny

    No, no you are missing the point here. An employer has no right to guide the activities of it's employees on company time, nor does an employer have the right to control traffic on it's data networks.

    Stop oppressing us!

  17. stupid goal and stupid implementation by belmolis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any content-based restriction on what sites people can visit is improper. Not only does the government have no business playing censor, but it sends the wrong message to people elsewhere, namely that censorship is okay, as long as it is the right kind.

    If they really didn't want to waste resources on anything other than pro-democracy web sites, they could provide access just to specific sites, or they could provide open access but limit bandwidth. The images from porn sites will generally use much more bandwidth than the text of a political discussion. As it stands, the keyword list the contractor used is really hopeless. It just goes to show that there aren't very many words that are likely only to be associated with porn cites. I bet that any number of Catholic sites, for example, are blocked by the "virgin" keyword. In any case, where foreign countries are concerned, keyword blocking should be easy to get around. Instead of putting the sexual terms in your domain name, you put them in meta tags and site text, and you put them there in Chinese and Persian and so forth. How halfway intelligent people with the serious mission of spreading freedom and democracy can waste their time on such a thing is beyond me.

  18. Talk about behind the times by shamino0 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Corporate America stopped using keyword-filters for precisely this reason over 10 years ago.

    I remember by father's inability to access the Middlesex county government page from work because of the string "sex" in the URL. This was 12 years ago. They switched to a different filter system a few months afterwards.

    1. Re:Talk about behind the times by spacefrog · · Score: 3, Funny

      Your father had an internet connection and web browser at work in 1992? Wow.

  19. Incompetent brainwashing? by Zareste · · Score: 5, Funny

    Christ, you know the world is doomed when your government deploys Nazi-based information control and can't even do THAT right.

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  20. Majority Rule... by the_mad_poster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The IBB has justified a filtered Internet connection by arguing that it's inappropriate for U.S. funds to help residents of China and Iran--both of which receive dismal ratings from human rights group Freedom House--view pornography.

    In the abstract, the argument is a reasonable one. If the IBB's service had blocked only hard-core pornographic Web sites, few people would object.

    In other words, censorship is a perfectly acceptable thing to do when the majority doesn't complain about it? What kind of fucked up, idiotic logic is that?

    Whether the majority cares or not is irrelevant, it's not a reasonable argument because censorship is censorship. I'm sure someone will try to spin it that "oh, well, it's the government censoring ANOTHER country", but that's just bullshit too. If you can't extend the beliefs of this country to non-citizens, there's no particularly compelling reason to believe they should apply to us, either.

    Why is it that every time I turn around these days, some sort of idiotic bullshit like this is coming out of the government? Who the fuck let them off their leash anyway?

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    1. Re:Majority Rule... by dustmite · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It also turns the "US as example of freedom to the rest of the world" concept on it's head. I mean, what, you're going to teach other countries about freedom of speech via acts of censorship? Yeah, a real shining beacon of freedom of speech there. Way to be a role model to the rest of the world.

    2. Re:Majority Rule... by the_mad_poster · · Score: 4, Informative

      And, here's the other thing that drives me nuts. All you nutters that think this sort of behavior is perfectly normal and acceptable. You... are... fucking.... insane. WAKE UP.

      First of all, if human rights aren't universal, we don't deserve them any more than anybody else does, and our government has no need to feel obligated to keep those inconvenient "rights" that are such an impediment to their power plays and growth. Removing a right from a single person is like taking a chisel and putting a crack in the dam. The instant it's there, it's only a matter of time before the whole thing is worn away from that foothold and the water comes crashing through. The longer you ignore it, or try to play it off as insignificant, the harder it becomes to patch it back up. Let it go long enough, and only a mssive, coordinated, immediate response will avert disaster.

      Second of all, YOUR bandwidth is YOUR private "property", as it were and is not subject to the same rules as the government. That has NOTHING to do with anything related to this discussion, and if you've taken at least a basic Civics class and think about it for a minute or two, you'll realize why.

      Thirdly, democracy has nothing to do with censorship and, in fact, part of the reason the government is there is supposedly to protect the minority from majority abuse. Censorship is censorship, and the government has no place practicing it without an extremely compelling reason to do so. Yelling 'fire' in a crowded theatre can be censored (and even that's debateable due to the "crack in the dam" thing again) because it presents a legitimate public safety hazard. Last I knew, nobody ever died jerking off to porn unless they had a fucking heart attack or something.

      Finally, not only is it irrelevant to this discussion what YOU think is a waste of tax dollars, it's also irrelevant how success is measured, if at all. These are completely different issues, and are only superficially related to the topic of censorship.

      And, I might add: I agree, if the government cannot be trusted to run these systems without sticking their nose into moralistic bullshit like what the Chinese should and shouldn't watch, they shouldn't be running the fucking servers.

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    3. Re:Majority Rule... by jaywood · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is the goverments machine. They can do what they like to it.

      um, that makes it my machine. (Not exclusively, but...) My tax dollars, "government of, by, and for the people", etc.

      Not to mention the irony of combatting censorship by *providing censored internet access*.

  21. Fear the church! by Blaubart · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You all seem to have missed the point of why this filter was put into place.

    The US government is trying to help the people of China bypass the censorship that their country has put into place. Why? Simple, to defend the human rights of the people of China. Quite obviously, the US Government has no fear of any possible backlash from the Chinese government in doing this.

    However, the squeals from the many church organizations that would be offended by the US Government giving unrestricted access to p0rn and gay rights websites would be unbearable!

    Fear the church! Fear it more than you fear the largest communist country in the world!

  22. That's right David by JohnGrahamCumming · · Score: 4, Funny

    One the banned list is the word "kitt". pr0n surfers will think this refers to sites like Persian Kitty, but those of us in the know realize that this is all a plot by Knight Industries to prevent the Iranians from stealing plans for the Knight Industries Two Thousand.

    John.

  23. Well... by h00dLuM · · Score: 3, Funny

    At least poor Mr. Powell will be ok.

  24. keyword blocking is stupid without context by dj42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Until filters can understand context, keyword filters will always be stupid. Ass.

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  25. Accidental? by taernim · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Among some of the sites this U.S. agency accidentally blocks ... several gay rights websites.

    The submitter obviously is not familiar with the Bush Administration's stance towards anyone who is not hetereosexual. Anything that happens towards us these days that is negative, do not believe for a moment it was just an "accident".

    If you're not convinced, check out The Human Rights Campaign website.

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    1. Re:Accidental? by Mr.+Arbusto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Social conspiracy is silly.

      This just a case of stupid filtering gone wrong because keywords aren't good for filtering. Keywords are stupid because things that aren't PORNographic GAY PICs with homoSEXual and biSEXual same-SEX COUPLES will be filtered because they are "naughty" words that a lot of PORN sites use to get peoples attention. The same filter would apply to a church fighting GAY and LESBIAN same-SEX COUPLE from getting married. It isn't a personal call by George BUSH or DICK Chenny to put the GAY person down.

      Remove the tinfoil hat, and then view the world with a touch of cynicism. It will lengthen your life span.

  26. This just another by DarrylKegger · · Score: 2, Funny

    example of the underhanded nature of governments. We as cybercitizens should be be psszt ngah naghh @!!6 fghar';!) nraaghg!!!! pleased with the way things are going. Go back to your cubicles, the contents of this web-site is nothing but propaganda paid for by none other than the evil Kim Il Jong

  27. Who'd have thought? by Quinn_Inuit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Instead of spending time helping others route around censorship, the U.S. government hires people to censor the web. These people then accidentally censor U.S. government sites.

    At this point, the intelligent response would be to say, "Oh, we forgot that idiotic ideas tend to attract idiots. Our bad. We're going to go back to sowing free thought around the world now."

    However, the government response will be, "We'll just hire some more people for even more money to implement a better filter. In fact, we've already outsourced a lot of the development work to the same companies that set up China's filter. They've got lots of experience."

    Porn, apparently, is a greater threat to the U.S. than a nuclear-armed ex-Communist dictatorship. Sounds like one of John Ashcroft's buddies. Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go put the burqa back on Blind Justice. We tried to stone her to death, but they kept bouncing off and our arms got tired.

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  28. Re:Keyword filtering will never, ever work by psocccer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Something I've been thinking of lately is how come no one seems to have applied a bayes filter to a web proxy? I would think you could train it on a huge amount of "blacklist" sites and then simply correct it when something legit gets filtered, since passing through to a legit site usually involves the admin it could probably be automatic as well.

  29. Censorship is bad m'kay by syousef · · Score: 2, Informative

    Come on. This is a pile of Orwellian BS. What's next. GoodNet (tm) instead of Goodspeak?

    As the amount of information and its accessibility increases the whole idea that you can selectively censor the right things 100% accurately all the time becomes comical. You simply can't have a proliferation of easily accessible information and censor the "bad information" since what is bad is subjective anyway.

    If you must place controls, its more practical to do so on the tools and materials required to perpetrate the "evil" you wish to combat.

    I for once like the access to information that the internet gives me. Its empowering and I've used this information practically not just for entertainment or frivolous uses.

    When doctors have given me and the ones I love incomplete or inaccurate information as they have on a couple of occassions I've been able to get better information and present it back to them to act on it. Its sped up a couple of key diagnoses for my girlfriend and I. In both cases not working out what the problem was as soon as we did would have resulted in each of us spending significant amounts of time out of work (not to mention feeling miserable). We'd each for different medical reasons have been permanently excluded from driving, and would almost certainly have had our lives shortened. Had the information been buried in some public library without any access to anecdotal evidence (usenet) life today for me would be very much worse.

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  30. No anonymity here! by Memophage · · Score: 5, Informative

    Err... I'm glad that everyone has the best interests of the populations of Iran at heart, but I think there's some confusion about how anonymizer.com actually works.

    Anonymizer.com is intended to keep your identity a secret only from the target web server. From the original article: "they can use Anonymizer.com as a kind of jumping-off point, also called a proxy server".

    This is correct. The client sends a request for a web page (say google.com) from anonymizer.com (or sedayama.com, or barandaz.com, or whichever). The anonymizer goes out, fetches the page for them, and then feeds it back. In this way, google.com has no idea who they are.

    Since anonymizer.com's server is in California, all data must be sent between the server in California and the client in Iran, through the country's firewall and whatever sniffer programs they have running.

    In no way whatsoever does this process prevent the Iranian government from snooping the connection between the browser and anonymizer.com to see whatever the heck the client is looking at. In fact, it makes the censor's life easier. All they have to do now is scan for all data to or from anonymizer.com, sedayama, etc. Then they can either parse the data and see what banned sites the client is viewing, or just assume that they're up to no good, raid their house, confiscate their computer and look at the browser cache.

    According to the Opennet report, the only real "anonymizing" functionality of this site comes from converting URLs from text to hexadecimal, and the obfuscation from the anonymizer site having to change URLs and IP addresses whenever the Iran government blocks one.

    I think the IBB is doing these people a grave disservice by advertising that sites can be viewed anonymously, when in fact they can't. Even if the connection was completely encrypted with SSL, the government censors could determine that a connection was made to an anonymizer site, and that the client is worthy of further investigation.

    Again, from the OpenNet report: "Iranian users may not be aware that their use of the service may identify them to Iranian government authorities as citizens wishing to view forbidden content, or as supportive of the ideas found within that content."

    Enough said. The people who run the IBB Anonymizer project should realize it was a well-meaning but flawed concept from the start, and it can actually be counter-productive by exposing Iranians who trust the claims of anonymity.

    Those claims should be retracted and a big warning banner posted on the site(s), or the project should be killed outright.

  31. Out of curiousity... by Guppy06 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does the US government also attempt to help circumvent other countries' internet censorship laws, such as, say, those of certain Western European countries? Or is it just the countries we're not quite married to (yet)?

  32. censorship? prudery? by jsahol · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Agreed that this is a poor implementation of an internet filter, but... Calling this censorship is not quite right: the service opens up big chunks of the internet for people who never had it before, and that is a fact. It's like a complaining that someone didn't hand over the keys to their car instead of just giving you a ride. Calling it prudery is also unfair. There are several arguments for a (properly done) filter, some of them mentioned in the article. 1. US Taxpayers don't want to fund porn surfing. 2. The propaganda value within the restrictive countries is reduced somewhat if the authorities there can claim that it's just used to surf porn. 3. Likewise, people within that country that could be forces for democratic reform may be turned away by the idea that it's used for "unwholesome" purposes.

  33. OpenNet, Open Source by ozbird · · Score: 3, Funny

    Nice to see that the browser screenshots are Mozilla with the Modern theme instead of Internet Explorer.

  34. My site? by Sardak · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm currently setting up a website that has the word 'blown' in the name (no, it has nothing to do with pr0n, I'd just prefer not to have my server start on fire). Do I have anything to worry about? I noticed today that my site no longer shows up in Google searches.

  35. Re:my question is... by Hatta · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why does America have so much control over the 'net these days? It's not a research experiment anymore. It is a way of life.

    That's exactly why america wants to control the internet. Control the information, and you control the people. Throw a little "won't somebody please think of the children" in there to shut up the damn civil rights hippies, and the status quo is so much easier to maintain.

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  36. Hmmm by DaveLatham · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, I may be missing something obvious here, but can someone tell me why China and Iran don't just block anonymizer.com?

    1. Re:Hmmm by DaveLatham · · Score: 5, Informative

      Aha, thanks.

      Here's the important info for anyone else who may be curious:

      For those who are found to be within Iran, the service is freely accessible through several domain names. As soon as the Iranian authorities block one of the service's domain names or IP addresses, new locations are announced to Iranians through Radio Farda and VOA Persian Radio broadcasts. (Some of these domain names are filtered by some ISPs in Iran and thus inaccessible to users, however even the filtered domains can be accessed by directly entering the IP address.)

  37. Sexual Harassment and Porn by Brian_Ellenberger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From: http://www.eeoc.gov/types/sexual_harassment.html

    "Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature constitute sexual harassment when this conduct explicitly or implicitly affects an individual's employment, unreasonably interferes with an individual's work performance, or creates an intimidating, hostile, or offensive work environment."

    The "offensive work environment" has been defined to include porn. See this on Harris v. Forklift Sys., Inc http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/docs/harris.html

    "Even though CP had not been offended by her co- workers' bawdy remarks, she believed that the posting of pornographic pictures demeaned women. She complained to her supervisor who refused to ask the employees to remove the pictures. Shortly thereafter, more pictures were posted. After again receiving no response to her complaint, CP filed a charge.

    Based on these facts, an investigator should find that the conduct was unwelcome, i.e., that CP subjectively considered the pornographic pictures to be abusive. Her willingness to engage in sexual banter is not material to assessing her perception of the pictures."


    IANAL, but at this point it is a completely reasonable argument that employers should install anti-porn software by default and that failure to do so constitutes neglect. And I'm sorry, but these issues about sexual harrassment were brought up far before Bush. And mostly by left-wing feminists (see Tailgate, Clarance Thomas, et al). If the government didn't install these filters and someone was viewing porn and it offended someone else then there would be a big scandal about it and Bush would be portrayed as the anti-feminist woman hating porno president.

    And the poster forgot the obvious difference here between Iran and the US is that you can go home to your own computer if you want porn! You do not have the right to view porn on government (ie tax payer owned) computers. Heck, technically you don't have the right to view breastcancer.com unless it pertains to your work! So if you don't like the government's filters, tough. If you need the site to do your work email the admin. Otherwise, don't view the site on the taxpayer's dime.

    Brian Ellenberger

    1. Re:Sexual Harassment and Porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They don't install anti-pr0n software. They install the default filters that ship with the filtering product and then require "justification" to unblock.

      I work for a local govt agency which uses the Websense filtering software. It throws up a warning when you try to access a domain which is considered non-work-related, reminding you of department policy regarding internet use but allowing you to click through, except for pr0n, etc., which is blocked absolutely - no clicking through.

      So far, so good. I cannot, however, get to http://www.diveintomark.com. A polite email notifying our Websense admin that the filter appeared to have miscategorized the domain and requesting that the domain be unblocked resulted in an email to our network folks indicating that I was seeking access to a "hacker" site and soliciting feedback on whether access should be granted.

      Network folks indicated that the site did not appear to be work related and that I should submit a more comprehensive justification for why I should be granted access. I responded that I build websites for this organization, that Mark Pilgrim is a well known and well respected accessibility expert (complete with for links to bio pages and Amazon listings), that even a cursory glance at his site reveals it to be a serious, professional resource for anyone building websites and that Websense probably was keying on the keyword "hack", which Mark does use to describe css workarounds for browser bugs.

      No response. This is an insane waste of three well-paid individual's time and has absolutely nothing to do with sexual harrasment or pr0n.

  38. It gets better! by k98sven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article links to the word list.

    Blocking sites with "asian" in it must really help out those poor Chinese..

  39. Re:Culture Bombing... by Jennifer+E.+Elaan · · Score: 5, Informative
    Check your culture there for a minute. While Iran's view of gay rights is about at that point (like, kill on sight...), CHINA is another story entirely.

    While I was in Thailand recently, the current attitudes in most of asia towards gay rights were all over the news... China is a mostly Buddhist country, and except for the noisy protests of the 5% Christian and/or Muslim members, it's going over without much of a fight. They're currently thinking of legalizing same-sex marriage (albeit slower than southeast asia, where it's very likely that we will see laws being passed shortly).

  40. Re:Dear TWATRAVEL.COM by Guy+Harris · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, but what about this is scunthorpe?

  41. Bypassing keyword filter? by RotJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Could you still view blocked sites through the IBB service if you enter the IP address instead of the domain name?

  42. Weird keywords by RotJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Some of the keywords, like "anime", "chat", "tv" seem to be aimed at non-pornographic entertainment sites. They also block "proxy". Maybe they don't want people to use a proxy to bypass their proxy (if that's at all possible). I still don't get "my" and "you". I also don't get why they blocked "anime" but not "hentai".

  43. Re:Culture Bombing... by wew · · Score: 3, Informative
    Whoa, I think you're spectacularly misinformed here...

    Chinese attitudes to homosexuality are very conservative. I've met mainland Chinese who assert that there aren't any homosexuals in China. Until not so long ago (at least the 70s), homosexuality was treated as a psychiatric disorder, and homosexuals could wind up in a psychiatric hospital.

    As for China being a mostly Buddhist country... well, China is a mostly Confucian country, with a strong familial ethos and a traditionally prudish attitude to sexuality. That's not a culture which homosexuality fits into very easily...

    That said, I have had a gay Chinese man (discretely) proposition me in Shanghai...

  44. "poor" Mr. Powell? by scruffyMark · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's nobody's fault but his own he insists on pronouncing his first name like that. He could pronounce it like any sane person would, to rhyme with "pollen"...

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    What is the robbing of a bank, compared to the founding of a bank? -- Bertolt Brecht

  45. Great idea by Pan+T.+Hose · · Score: 3, Interesting

    After all, keyword blacklisting worked for "hierbal v!aggra" and "peenes emlargermint" so it should work for terrorists and drug dealers as well... Seriously though, the fact that keyword blacklisting is totally useless should be obvious to anyone who ever watched a gangster movie. The question is which keywords do you blacklist? Should there be words like "bomb" or "heroine"? No, because gangsters don't use them. Does it mean we should blacklist "object" and "good shit"? No? So I ask you, which exactly keywords should we blacklist? Only then, when we have this question answered, we can discuss whether blacklisting or censorship is a good idea. Because I, for one, don't want Project Gutenberg be foolishly forced by some fucking illiterate imbeciles to remove the literature of Fyodor Dostoyevsky and Franz Kafka!

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    Sincerely,
    Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
    "Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
  46. Re:Culture Bombing... by tehanu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    China's attitudes to homosexuality are interesting. For much of China's history, homosexuality was treated fairly leniently. One vast difference with the West is that homosexuality has *never* been considered a religious sin. The major forces of Confucianism, Taoism, Legalism and Buddhism have never said in any terms that homosexuality was wrong. Note, this is *male* homosexuality as the vast majority of Chinese history and literature focuses on guys. This passed onto Japan as well, well I think in the 17th century, a Japanese samurai wrote a book basically saying "It must be good. The Chinese do it!" The attitude was more to do with "As long as you marry a good girl and get children to carry on the family line, who cares what you do?" Also male homosexuality was strongly connected with the whole brotherhood concept so beloved of Chinese. Male/male friendships were considered the ultimate in human relationships. There is a saying that to lose a wife is like losing a piece of clothing. To lose a brother/friend is like losing a limb. For example in one Chinese province there were gay "marriages" where the "older brother" is obliged to protect the younger one and later on, help him find a wife. Buddhist temples in China and Japan also were bastions of homosexual relations and Japanese samurai had a common sort of homosexual "mentor and student" relationship. Starting during the Manchurian rule (who were foreigners) and then continuing into modern times, however, homosexuality was treated far less leniently. However many of the earlier emperors had gay lovers, and the stories are the source of famous euphamisms like the "Passion of the Cut Sleeve" and "The half-eaten peach". What disgust existed for homosexuality was for men who dressed like women. That was giving up one's manhood and honour. I suppose one could say that most homosexual men in China/Japan were actually bisexual.

    A big change occurred with the influx of Western culture into China, esp. science. A lot of science at the time said homosexuality was a mental illness and many modern Chinese,eager to grasp Western ideas took this to heart. Homosexuality as well as old Confucian ideas became part of the "old" way and many young revolutionaries were eager to get rid of the "old ways". There's this story about this young revolutionary staring at disgust at his grandfather who came back drunk from a night of debauchery with young male opera stars. Actually the Communists were pretty much against overt romanticism even between males and females as well and even tender parental feelings for your children. You were supposed to be a worker for the state. Women who gave their children to their parents to raise so they could devote themselves to their work were praised (where do you think 1984 got these ideas from?). I'm not sure what the bias against homosexuality is like nowadays. My parents are very conservative religious Chinese who are not very up with PC (eg. they are openly hostile to people with dark skin) and grew up in Communist China. They don't act like they know anything about homosexuality, but then again, they don't act as if they know anything about sex at all. But when I mention something about two teachers possibly being in a homosexual relationship, they just titter rather than act disgusted. They seem to treat it more as something funny than repulsive. I guess I could test it by introducing them to a gay guy...Other people have mentioned that many modern Chinese refuse to admit homosexuals exist at all. It could be because we're from the south (and according to very ancient stereotypes which I'm not sure of the truth of), the south was always supposed to be more liberal about male/male relations (there's extremely old jokes about how "man" and "south" sound a lot alike). And my impression is the far south (Guangdong in my case) was always less influenced by Communist doctrine than further north. Anyway, I see the Communist attitude against homosexuality more similar to their attitude against religion (they banned all

  47. Re:Culture Bombing... by Jennifer+E.+Elaan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Errr... actually, that's really interesting... I had a chinese girlfriend recently, heh, and the interesting thing is that, while it's not talked about and theres the whole "it'll bring shame on the family if anyone knew" thing... it still happens. The culture is very averse to talking about sex, but whatever happens behind closed doors... You are right, though, it's not *quite* as rosy as I first stated.

  48. So what... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Really, who cares what a person's sexual orientation is.

    I'm in my forties and it dawned on me a long time ago that gay people aren't fundamentally different than straight people. Its your uncomfortableness with the situation that's the problem, not the sexual orientation of who you're dealing with.

    I've heard all the nonsense about how gays destroy the "esprit de corp". What utter utter crap.

    Live and let live. And if the guy next to you is attracted to guys, what do you care?

  49. censorship or social control? by dkalley · · Score: 3, Funny

    I recently read an article in the American Journal of Primatology with the following keywords. infant-licking, attractiveness of mothers with newborns, female relationships, and ring-tailed lemurs. The keywords would direct you to the paper; Intra-troop affiliative relationships of females with newborn infants in wild ring-tailed lemurs. Can you imagine the flags this would raise with monitoring software or your success with blocking? Out of context the keywords would paint you as an extreme pedophile or someone with obscure sexual attractions. A question to ask is whether this practice is merely censorship or another way to functionally define what is normal or deviant behavior within society? Homosexuality is taboo, so the word gay is taboo. Our historical relationship with the female body to sin is represented as well as other 'deviant' sexual behavior. On a lighter side, at least microsoft, georgebush, and arnold-schwarzenegger.com were blocked!

  50. A Modest Proposal by UnrepentantHarlequin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's a simple solution for people who sue because they did something a toddler should be expected to be smart enough not to do and it bit them:

    They have admitted in open court that they are unable to take care of themselves or handle adult responsibilities. Therefore, they should be put in a home, and any money they collected from that lawsuit should be turned over to the home to pay for their lifetime care.

    This would not only solve the problem of frivolous lawsuits and the quest for deep pockets, but it would also help the employment situation by removing these people from the job market and creating jobs for people to take care of them. After all, someone who doesn't know that coffee is hot can't even be trusted to feed themself, or to eat anything that they might choke on, so there will be a need for caretakers to feed them their pureed food blend, help them go potty, and tend to them at all times.

  51. Duh... block images... by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they want to block porn and save bandwidth, all they need do is not serve images.

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    -- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
  52. Very different scenario by phorm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The failure here was not in neglecting to install a monitoring/blocking system, but to take proper action upon notification.

    Read: her supervisor who refused to ask the employees to remove the pictures

    Employees were posting pictures, and the employer didn't make them stop nor offer disciplinary measures. I wouldn't expect to get away with pr0n at work, and I'd definately expect to be disciplined (perhaps fired) if I tried to. It appears that both the other employees and the employer were definately at fault - but not for lack of filtering.