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NASA Funds Sci-Fi Technology
Michael Huang writes "Wired News profiles the NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts (NIAC), the $4 million-a-year agency most famous for Bradley Edwards' study of the space elevator. Lesser known studies include weather control, shape-shifting space suits and antimatter-powered probes to Alpha Centauri. Remember, 'if it's not risky, it's not going to get funded'."
Gee. Sounds like Heinlein's "Long Range Foundation".
"They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.
NASA is getting into space things? That's odd.
When I skimmed the article summary I was going to write a comment complaining th at NASA should be investing in "proven technologeis". After all, it's the "proven technologeis" that help us about our daily lifes and help us fulfilll ourselves: space elevators don't enter into it, right? Besides, NASA needs to bring in some green and they can only do that by making proprietry software and crafts.
But then I realised something important; no matter how important it is for NASA to make money, we still have to spend money to make money. Even if spending money on space lifts causes taxes to get nothced up by a few dollars, it will all be worth it in a few decades because we will all benefit from the advanced cabling tech. Besides, every dollar that's spent on this is another dolll ar that isn't spent on military applications or other less savoury things.
Still, judging by their website, I'm a little suspicious of what they're up to! ;-) I guess their just busy working on something cool like transforming space suits, heh. Keep up the good articals, simoniger. (The shape-shifting space suits are almost certainly more useful than the shape-shifting trainers I saw linkked on Fark, anyway.)
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Be honest, you were outraged to hear that funding was given to wacky pseudo-science projects, weren't you?
This reminds me of one of my favorite quotes, by Gordon Moore: "If everything you try works, you're not trying hard enough."
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I believe this concept (or one very similar) Arthur C Clarke aired in his book 2061.
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starting a search for the Black Monolith?
.. for the triple-breasted whore of Eroticon 6? Or is that not risky enough?
It costs more than 250 times their yearly budget to fly one shuttle mission...That is a sad joke, I bet there budget is less than what NASA spends each year to fly the NASA highups around the country.
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In society today we all seem to concentrate on short term benefits and ignore the long term consequences, be it government budget deficits, long term research funding, balking at online music distribution, moving jobs off shore or the environment.
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Unfortunatly the brute force method to interstellar travel will never work. One sand grain sized particle hitting a craft going 1% of c will end the mission. Then there is the issue of having enough fuel and the multigenerational length of the mission.
My dad has worked with Brad Edwards on the Space Elevator extensively, and I can tell you from experience that it is not wacky science fiction. It is a six billion dollar investment that isn't likely to appear anytime soon. However, it is almost certain to happen within the next thirty to forty years. While it is nice that the government can handle that kind of long-range vision occasionally, if they are the only ones providing investment into technologies like this one then they will end up controlling those technologies. What would really be nice is if the private sector could see into the future too and fund some of this kind of stuff without NASA's help.
"as if nothing were solid...and that would be the end of the world, not fire and brimstone, but goo."--Rand
It's too bad that a defenseless program like this is just the sort that would be hacked apart if some hackney news agency decided to do an expose on the $4m it gets. I'm sure John Stossel could paint horns on it.
Even outlandish ideas deserve study. This isn't "duh" stuff like the speed at which ketchup comes out of the bottle, etc. I think it's important to keep an eye out on the horizon and if a couple bucks is enough motivation, then go for it!
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I'd like to see more research into replicator technology (maybe we will get there after enough nano-research?)
If we get replicators, we can solve a lot of problems at once:
- Food, nobody would have to grow hungry again
- Money, nobody would need it ever again
- Fuel, no more dependancies on oil
- Nuclear waste/pollution, easy to clean that up now
- Living forever, refreshing the building blocks of our bodies
- etc.
The only problem I can see here (and I'm sure there are more) is nano-warfare. As in "Let's make a nanobot that can kill all people with a certain DNA profile", that's the only thing I'm afraid of.
I think it will take a long time before we finally have that technology, but I'm afraid I won't live to see that (and I'm still hoping to have about 70 years ahead of me to live to the ripe old age of 95)
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The one thing that I like about the idea for shifting the hurricane is that when there wasn't a hurricane to be shifted, you could redirect all that energy onto a bank of photovoltaic cells.
:)
Of course...the one thing I don't like about the idea is that us humans don't have a whole lot of success in anticipating the consequences of fucking around with nature
So.. Will they now fund Integrated Defense?
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A modest proposal: Instead of just posting an article every time a Wired Article comes out, slashdot should just made a special section feeding everything from Wired.
Goverments deal in milions, 50 milion there, 20 milion there, the cost of some piece of stupid artwork to stick at the end of a bridge cost a insane ammount of money while another piece of local-goverment artwork is spiraling though milions of dolars while its schedule is pushed furthur and furthur back...
;)
Benifit of this is, a) the costs are fixed, b) we might just get that anti-mater powered probe to aplha-centuri
At least they are not any of that 4 000 000$ year to web designers. That's allways a good sign.
The homepage looks absolutely horrible!!
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Think about that for a sec. E = mc^2.
Where are you going to get all the power to make food/fuel? And it sure as hell isn't going to be 100% efficient. Even if this was invented, we'd still have wars over oil.
But yeah it would be cool. Just watch out for people wanting royalties on their replicator patern for meatloaf.
Arthur C. Clark has been very fond of the idea. I belive he has plugged it in many books (including one with a title like "Songs from distant earth").
Nothing like waiting for a good meal to materialize in solar powered replicator.
I believe this concept (or one very similar) Arthur C Clarke aired in his book 2061.
He was just re using the concept he presented for the first time in "The Fountains of Paradise" (1978).
Great book, BTW.
Reminds me of this novel where there's an organzation that won't finance something unless it's crazy and has no chance of succeeding. I believe its motto was Bread cast upon water multplies sevenfold. In the novel the organization finances a novel way of communicating between Earth and starships.
This guy is way out there
Here is my 'sci-fi' grant proposal. I hope you approve:
Power to the Peaceful
for this long term project. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0671 500937/102-4406470-8931340?v=glance
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Sounds neat but i am having real problems with the physics. but i bet most people that read about it would ....
..... the world needs a better 10 micron seatbelt.... or better yet maybe a monofiliment whip.....
They say a ribbon about a meter wide and 2 millimeters thick can do this. well OK ill give them that if that ribbon was constructed it may in deed be just that perfectly capabel of supporting that strain (this is a stretch by itself). However the plan to put that big thing into service required that a small one first be used. The small one will have to be one microns tick. this is gonna be the real sticker. How will you expect that to survive all the wind, and elemental forces assuming that you can get it attached inthe first place.
I can see quite a few good lighting strikes and other interesting upper atmosphere charge effects splitting this up real good. Then let the wind just rip it lengthwise and then try to run a climber up it. All i can say is if you could do this you better start it off with a conciderable amount (perhaps 10% or more) of its final strength, and perhaps investigate a way to lower the cable from orbit. As an aside, can you imagine the effects of an airplane strike on this thing.
Well the best hope in my humbel opinion is the research may lead to better materials for seatbelts and bullet proof vests
I thought that NASA had stopped funding their forward-thinking "breakthrough propulsion program." Perhaps not?
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I recently attended one of their conferences as a one of the student presenters. This is not a waste of money. Their grants come in two phases with the first one about $60,000 and the second phase much more. The amount they give is miniscule compared to potential rewards. As far as the space elevator, before I went to the conference I thought it was a joke as well, but it is a very viable concept. In response to the guy who made the comment about protecting it from planes, this will be constructed in the ocean and it would be very easy for a year round no fly zone. Also, if I remember correctly, the location was choosen because this area is storm free year round, but I am not sure on this point.
Nothing like waiting for a good meal to materialize in solar powered replicator.
Or, as I like to call them, "plants."
The Warbot 1Alpha needs serious debugging. The nanobots got too smart and did serious upgrading beyond my control.
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I need funds so I can perfect the techniquie and build a billion of them to rule the world, er I mean explore space, yeah that's the ticket!
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Does NASA also have a group for the
"Most Advanced NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts" as well?
There's a whole bunch more on NASA's way-out research over here.
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Imagine the investor response if GE said "We are going to build a space elevator, it will take us at least 25 years to complete it and cost the majority of our R&D budget for the whole time frame". That investor money would be voluntarily moved to Microsoft where (relatively) short term growth is much more likely.
Rather than say "a dollar spent on NASA pipe dreams is a dollar taken from the public" I would say "A dollar spend on a NASA pipe dream is a dollar invested in the public's future". Not all investments pan out but many do.
Exactly! Let me just add something:
In some cases people who profit most are not those who pay the cost. The benefits are often externalized either in the form of lower prices through technology progress or by intellectual property moving into public domain (after some time). DARPA spend a lot of money on developing the predecessor of the Internet, which in turn reduced the cost of communication dramatically. They do not demand any royalties because of that.
Companies need to have a shorter investment horizon than a government. Imagine an investment project whose costs are $10bln, but the profits are an expected cash flow of $200bln after 15 years. No company will invest, because it probably won't exist that long. But a government can do that because it is essentially immortal.
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It works on the idea that if a client is charged enough for a web site, they will be offended by any criticism whatsoever ("How dare you criticize my site! It cost $10,000!!).
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