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MS Sales Growth Limited by Delays in Windows

Alien54 writes "As reported by Bloomberg, Microsoft Corp.'s sales growth will probably drop below 10 percent next fiscal year for the first time because delays in the next version of Windows have created the longest-ever lag between releases of the software. They go into some detail on how the lack of new products also hurts multiyear subscriptions, because clients that buy the contracts expecting to get product upgrades may not renew if new items won't be available for a while. Didn't someone say once that they have enough reserves to last 5 years without any sales at all?"

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  1. How much? by LaserLyte · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder how much Longhorn is going to cost exactly? A combination of Microsoft's obviously declining userbase and 5+ years of development costs needing to be covered is going to mean Longhorn's pricetag will have to be pretty steep if MS is going to profit directly from it.

    Hmm... the article claims "Windows runs 93 percent of the world's personal computers". That's way more than I would have guessed. How is that measured exactly? And who by?

    1. Re:How much? by LaserLyte · · Score: 5, Funny

      And...of course, this is after I've bought my nice new 6GHz/2GB/1TB machine to run it on :)

    2. Re:How much? by msim · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Even taking the inflation costs into account, haven't the costs of windows ballooned disproportionately since the days of windows 95?

      I mean Win98 was a bit of a hike, WinME (i never even walked past it in a shop, i'd take a detour) presumably shot way up in cost. Then they extolled the virtues of Windows 2000 (which i admit was the best they've released thus far) as the start of the merger of consumer OS and Business OS.

      And now they are wallet raping everyone with XP. LaserLyte may well be right about the costs going even further up into the stratisphere. No matter what people say though, i just find it a bit difficult to get my head around paying so much frickin money for something as intangible as software.

      I'm sure that if they lowered the cost of the software somewhat, then they'd be able to cash in on the people that originally thought their software too expensive (and thusly found a mate with a cracked cd of Latest-funky-jive (TM) operating system.

      Sure as shit on a stick they'd have my attention and i'd consider buying Microsoft Software if they made it more stable and cheaper. And that's saying something!

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    3. Re:How much? by Jane_Dozey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It won't be free, the cost will just be included in the bottom line of the new PC.
      I wonder if the price of PC's will go up, or if the OEM licences will be proportionatly cheaper.

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    4. Re:How much? by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Funny
      mm... the article claims "Windows runs 93 percent of the world's personal computers".

      I'm afraid that's a typo.

      It should read "Windows ruins 93 percent of the world's personal computers".

      Thanks.

    5. Re:How much? by timeOday · · Score: 4, Informative

      The price of Windows has very little to do with the cost of developing it. The OS division has annual profits of about 85%. And of that last 15%, most of it is marketing, support, and manufacturing, not r&d. They are already charging what the market will bear, and since the operating system is a natural monopoly this is far beyond the production cost.

    6. Re:How much? by ryanh50 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I find your comments about the cost of XP rather interesting. The XP Home upgrade can be purchased for 99.00 at any retail store. THe pro version is 199.00.
      If you fancy yourself a new computer you can get an oem copy of XP PRO fro around 149.00. I am assumming that you are building your computers.
      When you look at the cost of software the OS is very very cheap compared to other sofware packages. Symantec wants between 45 and 60 bucks for a virus scanner! So lets be reasonable and say that a hundred or so bucks for an Operating system is a good deal.

    7. Re:How much? by nightgeometry · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Hmmm, I bought a mac recently. When i went into the local apple dealer to try and get one they had a 4 week back log, *too many* people buying them.

      I sat in the shop for awhile, playing with the macs. While i was there about 7 people came in, same as me, always used unix or windows, and wanted a mac. 7 people, but i left after 45 mins (admitedly it was a saturday morning).

      I know more and more people buying cheap (ish) iBooks, first time mac users mostly. It seems to me that mac use is going up quite drastically.

      Could just be I'm seeing more of them as I am looking, if you get what i mean.

      *shrug* just thought I'd say.

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    8. Re:How much? by westlake · · Score: 4, Informative
      I fail to see how it is obvious microsoft's userbase is on the decline.

      I can't find any solid evidence for a decline.

      Microsoft Sells 210 Million Copies of Windows XP The number mostly based on new OEM system installs, currently running about 10 million a month, up from 9 million a month last July. Figure in corporate licensing, academic distributions, etc., and the number of legit, licensed, XP installs alone must be over 300-350 million.

      The Google Zeitgeist tells much the same story, 90% all queries to Google come from systems running Windows, 47% from systems running XP. Not a bad showing for a three year old O/S.

    9. Re:How much? by Gortbusters.org · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You know, I have to wonder where the line is drawn between new features/performance and usability. What I mean is a nice 6GHZ/2GB/1TB machine sounds like it'd be great for 'next generation' applications, but hey what kind of applications are those? More specifically how much cool new stuff can you cram in together before using the computer becomes unmanagable?

      Here's a good example. Arguably I could go out and replace my old 1GHZ laptop with a nice spanky new one. What would this get me... I might be able to play a few more games. I might be able to keep more applications open at once. I might be able to have tons of tabs in Firefox open.... but there is a limit to all of this stuff. More than 10 tabs open and the labels of the tabs become un-readable in Mozilla. More then a few word documents open and you have to search through the list in the panel. Why not just open/close documents from the filesystem?

      As it stands today, I can run outlook, have a few word documents open, an IDE, some business apps, and winamp running and my computer does fine. I'm highly productive and I have little desire to get a new computer. (Caveat: I gave up gaming on PCs a while ago, it was always a loosing battle for keeping up with the latest graphics card, and I like laptops -- now I just do Xbox).

      Let me wrap up my rant with some trolling... IE hangs today and lags the hell out of Windows. Outlook gets slow/crashes and Word crashes. Maybe 6GHZ/2GB/1TB is a precaution for all the havoc from xaml/avalon.

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    10. Re:How much? by Gortbusters.org · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Selling software is all about markups. Even with a good sized and well paid development team, you only need to make a few million before you cover the cost of R&D. Through in marketing, support, training, etc and you've maybe at most doubled (5mil to 10mil lets say). For all software giants, this is probably a drop in the bucket. They probably have their bread and butter products that gross in the hundreds of millions. That's all US owned development. Imagine if 90% of your development was outsourced, you just grow your profit margin even more. But hey, that's just business as usual...

      The real rip, as you point out, is the surround support that Windows brings. It takes SO much to get a productive system, and even then you can experience disaster..... here's one scenario I'm sure you or someone you know has been through:

      You call up Dell and have a spanky new PC delivered. But, you don't dare plug it into the network because you didn't get the latest virus scanner with it. So you go out, buy the virus scanner, hook everything up and start to surf the web. Assuming that you don't pickup a new virus between when you connect and when your virus scanner updates itself, you are probably 'OK' for a while.

      Now of course there are almost no applicatons on your new computer. Minesweep, Word Pad, Paint... bleh. So you go get Office, buy a handful of fun computer games, PhotoShop, Quicken, Turbo Tax and you're finally starting to get use out of your computer.

      As time goes on you use your computer as normal. Sometimes it hangs, sometimes a program crashes, but hey that's ok as long as there isn't a blue screen of death. At some point, you start to notice pop-ups. First a couple, then like 4 or 5 whenever you open up IE. Maybe your virus scanner didn't find them! One of your techie friends say that you got 'adware' or 'spyware' or something that's like a virus, but not harmful -- just annoying.

      You find something like PestPatrol and download the free version. To your suprise you have 50-100 adware/spyware programs on your computer. Oh wait, you can't clean them unless you pay another 60 for the registered version. You buy it, you clean it, but for some reason things just keep coming back.

      As time goes on you probably end up doing 1 of 2 things. First, someone might tell you it's good to reinstall Windows every year or so to "clean things out." Another option is that you just oculdn't get rid of that last virus/adware/spyware. Not being a techie, you find some directions, execute them wrong, and the system won't boot anymore. Tech support (you did get the 3 year warranty right?) says they will have to reload your systme.

      Depending on if your re-install was planned or un-planned you might have saved data or not. The worst case scenario is of course that you do your re-install but you are missing all your applications! You downloaded the software instead of getting the CD... You didn't buy the upgrade service, you don't have your old license key, they don't offer the old version, and no discount on the new version....

      Moral of the story, Windows seems to be a good way to pay a lot of money for things just to get a system that is actually useful to you. Also, with a system prone to re-installations you open yourself up to upgrade package fees or buying the same software multiple times. This whole scenario could have easiy been a Linux user, but the difference is the availability of free software and initial costs.

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  2. This may be a good thing for Linux. by karmatic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Depending on how well the Distribution creators handle this, this can be a blessing or a curse for Linux. Generally speaking, companies want equal or better features before they consider switching (equal, if price is the main concern - better, if it's not).

    The long delay between releases will give Linux a chance to improve itself, and present a better alternative to Windows, with more features, better security, and a lower price.

    However, this can also be a curse - MS is taking their sweet time, and this may be due to fixes, or it may simply be that they are developing stable, great features. If Microsoft releases a slew of new features which businesses find to be essential, Linux will once again be playing the "catch up" game.

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out over the course of the next few years.

    1. Re:This may be a good thing for Linux. by hawkeyeMI · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The culture at microsoft, as far as I can tell as an outsider, seems to focus on things in this order.
      1. Business savvy
      2. Proprietary lock-in
      3. DRM
      4. Features
      5. Security

      I don't think they're actually capable of producing the kind of product you'd expect at over $100 per license, whereas Apple seems to be.

      I keep watching them say it's all going to be done right, and from the very beginning I knew they'd do what they'd always do. It's like an addictive disease. They just can't resist shoving another product out the door before they ought to. Thus, they have announced that they'd cut features (you'll hear this spun different ways, but yes, they're cutting features) to get it out the door closer to the predicted release date.

      I predict (and in this I don't think I'm a great tech forecaster, it's just painfully obvious) that once again, it won't be ready even by 2006, but people will be waiting, and they'll be watching Linux encroach, and an expensive, unfinished product will roll out the door once more.

      This is the time for Linux. Everyone is getting sick of Microsoft's incompatibility with standards. As more people use non-IE browsers and non-MS server software once again, fewer and fewer sites require MSIE. The worms and viruses are an additional "blessing" (though I have to fix them all the time at work -- ugh) in that they give users another reason to get fed up with Redmond.

      You're also right in that the game has to be played right. Linux distros jumping the gun and trying to foist unpolished products on the market could come back to bite them in the ass. I guess only time will tell.

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    2. Re:This may be a good thing for Linux. by g0qi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I keep watching them say it's all going to be done right, and from the very beginning I knew they'd do what they'd always do. It's like an addictive disease.

      I'd be careful in discounting MS. A wait time of nearly 5 years is the longest, considering they're not exactly rewriting everything and the kernel like NT. Even NT, from scratch, took about 4 years to get done.

      This is the time for Linux

      I agree it is. But don't short-sight yourself. If your whole selling point relies on that the next version of Windows is absolutely going to contain critical kernel flaws, then something is wrong with your argument.

      Everyone is getting sick of Microsoft's incompatibility with standards.

      Everyone at Slashdot is. Slashdot is not exactly the online journal of choice for Joe Sixpack. Stop kidding yourself, and understand your competition seriously.


      I post this from a Fedora machine, and I love GNOME. But it's sickening to see how dismissive most geeks at slashdot are when it comes to anything about Microsoft. The first rule of war is "Know thy enemy well".

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    3. Re:This may be a good thing for Linux. by 0racle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Everyone is getting sick of Microsoft

      So sick in fact they don't care. Thats right, they don't care. Its just a tool, and Windows is the tool that runs everything.

      Users don't turn around and say, "To hell with MS and they're security holes, I'm not gonna put up with DRM." They just don't care, they use the OS that runs software. They need QuickBooks, they want their games, so they use Windows, not because its the best techinical solution, but its the only one.

      Before you type again about how every little stumble MS makes is "Linux's time," forget EVERYTHING you know about computers, DRM, DMCA, and just about everything else thats discussed here. Now your not a programmer or an admin, your just an average user. You need QuickBooks, you want to play the latest game, you need Office. You will run only one OS, Windows. Linux and the MacOS will never cross your mind, and if it did the sales person will tell you, I'm sorry no that game or that software only runs on Windows, and you'll put it out of your mind.

      So no this little thing is not Linux's time. MS could turn around and call their users all sorts of names and use endless strings of profanity and people will still use Windows. And lastly, even if this did cause MS users to jump ship, it wouldn't be to Linux distros. 'User' distros have tried to make a user-friendly Unix like OS and have been for ages, but Apple beat them too the punch. If people are going to leave Windows, its going to be to the next best supported desktop OS, and thats OS X, not Linux.

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  3. Re:Well, maybe not the first time... by Sexy+Bern · · Score: 5, Funny
    pushing numbers up my moving revenue

    Is that legal?

    Does it hurt?

  4. Microsoft's Cash Reserves by karmatic · · Score: 4, Informative
    (Courtesy of Seattle PI.)

    Microsoft's cash reserves as of Dec 31, were 53 billion dollars. To put that into perspective, it is enough to "fund NASA for a year, assemble a fleet of 100 Boeing 747s, and buy every person in Seattle a 2004 Subaru Outback -- with a few billion left over for incidentals."

    Math:
    • NASA's 2004 budget: $15.4 billion
    • A fleet of 100 Boeing 747-400s (at $215 million each at 2002 prices): $21.5 billion
    • A Subaru Outback (at $23,470 MSRP) for every person in Seattle (pop. 563,374 in 2000 census): $13.2 billion.
    • Total: $50.1 billion
  5. Call out the lawyers! by MrLint · · Score: 4, Funny

    ON the heels of some wacky law threats this week i think this is a setup for a perfect trifecta:

    Rambus : We didnt make enough money because you didnt license enough from us. We will sue you.

    Fox News : You wont sell your billboard to us. We will sue you.

    MS : You arent buying from us because we are hyping our new stuff years before its ready, we will sue you!. (?)

    (this post is for humor purposes i am not serious, such a lawsuit would be silly.)

  6. This has ripple effects on other businesses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My company does Windows consulting primarily, but we do have two Mac guys (one of whom is me) who handle the art departments at large corporations, among other Mac-based clients.

    Company management has been concerned for some time that the 'project' aspect of our business will take a nosedive during this long period between major Windows releases-- many of our clients have already upgraded to Windows 2003 server and have mostly XP and 2000 client workstations that won't need replacement for a few years. With the Longhorn delays adding up, the Windows integration side of our business is facing something akin to a nuclear winter.

    In light of this, we just had a long meeting yesterday about things we need to do to bring in new Mac clients and otherwise grow the Mac side of the business.

    Hopefully, Apple will take advantage of Longhorn's long gestation period as well.

  7. Compelling features by jimmy+page · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do you think that sales have also come down due to lack of compelling reasons to switch.

    Office 97 as good as 2000/XP/2003 Win 2000 as good as XP 98 fine for home use..

    What's the point in switching unless to Linux? Unless you like to donate to Charity through the Bill Gates foundation.

  8. Microsoft has some challenges ahead by ites · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Delays in Windows are only one problem.

    Some of the other serious issues Redmond is facing:

    1. Worms/spyware/viruses destroying the home market

    2. Lack of reasons for further upgrades to Office

    3. Enterprise shift to Linux

    4. Consolidating competition from IBM & Novell

    In general terms, their problems stem from having cornered the market for a product that is almost out of fashion: high-cost, complex (and thus insecure) software. People need low-cost, secure software.

    Their best hope is to produce an interim release of Windows 2000 that has been seriously upgraded in terms of security. But even then I don't see how they can survive the commoditization of their core market.

    5 years' budget goes awfully quickly when you are used to double-figure growth.

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    1. Re:Microsoft has some challenges ahead by swillden · · Score: 4, Funny

      Their best hope is to produce an interim release of Windows 2000 that has been seriously upgraded in terms of security.

      Nah, too hard.

      Their best bet is to produce an interim release of Windows 2000 that changes nothing underneath but just adds a fancy new UI, maybe something bright, colorful and cartoonish. They could rearrange all of the system controls and add on-line license verification to finally defeat those pesky pirates, while only mildly inconveniencing their legitimate buyers.

      Oh, wait...

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  9. importance of waiting by pvt_medic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Its at apoint that the wait will help. Because most operating systems 98, 2000, me (yuck), XP work on the same computer. What is the incentive to upgrade. I forgot the eactual statistic but isnt there a sizable percentage of the computers on the net still using 98. I know we have two computers at home using 98. And there is no reason to upgrade them. But in like 5 years or so the computers are going to be so much faster. Wasnt it that the specs for longhorn needed dual processors running at 4-6 ghz, a gig of ram and like a terabyte of hard drive space. That is something that these prexisting systems just wont know what to do with. by waiting so long there no way that 98 is going to be able to run on a system like that. Everyone will have to buy longhorn.

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  10. As an insider for Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am posting anonymously for obvious reasons.

    I can safely tell you to expect a "SE" version of Windows XP by December of this year. It will have some enhancements and adjustments, plus it will also have a new media center-like program included.

    Expect an announcement in the next two or three weeks.

  11. Dropping Hits -- MS Records by Eberlin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So we're used to having MS release a new hit cd every two years. By hit I mean boy-band tracks hastily cobbled together and pushed out the door to an awaiting fanbase. (look, how else do you explain it?)

    Ballmer and Gates make press conferences touting their new hit singles like "A New Outlook" and "DRM - Quicker Than A Ray Of Light" -- but of course you can't just buy the singles. You have to buy the entire CD...and good luck trying to get rid of the tracks you don't want.

    Now people started complaining about how their hits aren't put together well so they decided to finally take it slow, spend time at the studio, and actually sit down to make good music. The fanbase was like "awwww, you didn't have to do that!" while the critics were "riiiight, like they'd REALLY do that."

    Then MS realized they're not going make the 2 year cycle deadline so faster than you can say "oops, I did it again" they start tossing out stuff they were promising to deliver. Their new hit "Palladium Blues" may have to wait. That new Filesystem track that you could Tae Bo to -- gone.

    So what's left? Probably a complete rehash of their latest album. Maybe they'll P-Diddy some of the stuff Apple released a few years ago. Toss in a reworked "IE Blockin' Da Poppas" along with Ballmer's dance moves and the fanbase will eat it up like a warm leftover casserole.

    As for me, I'm a critic, not a fan. I'll stick to my GPL's Greatest Hits cd. You know, the one that comes with the "I Honk For Herring" sticker and a video of Stallman singing the "Hacker Song." I must say I passed on the Torvalds In Speedos poster, though.

  12. What if MS gets it right this time? by amichalo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am terrified to think what will happen if MS actuall gets it right with Longhorn.

    We have all, to various extents, been accomplices in MS monopoly 9who has NEVER purchased any MS product?)

    We clammor for more scurity and fewer bugs and so forth. What if MS ACTUALLY provided a secure and stable OS? And then people upgraded to it. What then of Linux, OS X, and the like?

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  13. Many Small Things by Jameth · · Score: 5, Informative

    Microsoft is currently threatened by a barrage of minor issues which add up to something serious when combined.

    1) Lack of new products prevents sales and damages customer loyalty.

    2) Severe worms damage customer loyalty, increase costs in maintenance and customer service.

    3) Competing products getting stronger with OS-X on the desktop on Linux both embedded and in servers cut into what sales they would have.

    4) Strong competition generates press for opposing sides, making them appear less innovative than they want to.

    5) Constant lawsuits present a steady sapping on resources.

    6) Constant web-popups make IE seem sad in comparison to Firebird and Opera, as well as a lack of features being painful. This detracts from their general appearance and aids competitors.

    7) More people are satisfied with their current systems and are just refusing to upgrade.

    8) Piracy of windows is staying widespread despite product registration, and the lack of legitimate copies is adding to the virus issue.

    9) The next version of Java is looking stronger than .Net and reasonably fast, preventing their newest system from completely stealing Sun's thunder. Once again, damaging credibility.

    10) Although X-Box started gaining on the other consoles finally, all the competing systems are starting to push even more for handhelds, and likely integration between the two, resulting in an aspect where the X-Box will be lacking.

    11) The G5 chip is the first time that a Macintosh processor has been seen as competitive with the top Intel chips, further undermining their superiority.

    12) The iTunes music store is still unrivaled, re-solidifying Macintosh as the OS for multimedia, along with programs such as FinalCut and Garage Band and products such as the iPod.

    13) Governments are starting to strongly consider open standard, raising the lobbying costs for Microsoft and potentially requiring some new file formats to be supported by them.

    14) OpenOffice.org shows a technically capable alternative to MS-Office. Where MS-Office was once clearly on top it may have to start fighting for its place soon. Also, the latest version of MS-Office, MS-Office XP, doesn't run on as old of hardware as OpenOffice.org, so many people with old Windows systems have an alternative upgrade line, as opposed to being locked into upgrading computer, OS, and office suite all at once.

    15) Many large contracts for Linux have been seen recently, harming Microsoft's public image more.

    There is other stuff, but I can't think of it at the moment.

    I would say their strongest pieces at the moment for increasing sales are .Net, the X-Box, and WMA with DRM. MS-Office and Windows are still their biggest products, but they can't increase in sales very much.

    Their OS is just not going to be ready before 2006, so it cannot stimulate a recovery. What they need is something to make it worth the wait. .Net is that, as it has very much promise and says something about how much total change will come with their next OS release. Also, .Net can compete with Java somewhat, helping them in a buzzword cattle.

    MS-Office was traditionally their big seller to tie people into their systems, but it's basically finished up. They have very little room to improve. Most of the improvements that could be of value cost more to develop than they will bring in sales (better type-setting control and similar advanced features) or will have a huge risk of damaging their current monopoly (a new office suite can have a radically new UI and be easier to use without losing customers).

    X-Box, on the other hand, is totally up-and-coming and is technically superior to the competition. If they can get the X-Box2 out in a timely manner, they can get press about being innovative, they can get a rush of sales from nowhere, and they can stimulate their gaming division, giving them a third strong arm to thei

  14. Microsoft's research division by Raul654 · · Score: 4, Funny

    They can survive on the vast Research and Development(R&D) they've built-up over the years

    Yes indeed. In fact, their research division has been so successful, it has its own brand name.

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  15. MS Sales Growth Limited by Poor Quality by PingXao · · Score: 4, Informative

    Despite all their service packs and hot fixes, they never really seem to FIX anything. Besides 'Doze itself there are a bunch of MS products I've used over the years that had serious problems. Not necessarily "bugs" per se, but features that didn't work as advertised or missing functionality in general.

    Case in point: VS.NET 2003 has several annoying bugs and problems that have been the subject of hundreds if not thousands of complaints. It's been out a while now and there's no service pack in sight. Maybe half a dozen features from VS6 were "removed". Sure, they added a hundred, but those 6 were commonly used and their disappearance causes angst and frustration on a daily basis. What's the MS response to all this? "Wait for Whidbey."

    Right. That's just been delayed again. And they want you to pay for it, of course. Why can't they just friggin' fix the garbage they've put out already? There are countless similar examples over the years. Access, Word, SQL Server... you name it and it has had bugs at some point that MS refused to fix. They say to wait for the next version, but that doesn't address the core issue that you have a piece of expensive software you already paid good money for and they refuse to fix it. They refuse responsibility to make it work right. Perhaps, at some point, software should have warranties if it costs beyond $X. I'm sick and tired of paying for MS software that they essentially sell "as is".

    This doesn't even begin to address the notorious problems they have with security. I think they're related. It goes to their culture of never having to fix anything. The recent years of being forced to patch holes and vulnerabilities goes against everything in their culture. That's why they can never get the security fixes "right".

  16. lies, lies, and more lies by agwis · · Score: 5, Funny
    hey go into some detail on how the lack of new products also hurts multiyear subscriptions, because clients that buy the contracts expecting to get product upgrades may not renew if new items won't be available for a while.

    You /., linux zealots, and Windows bashers never present the true facts. Windows may be closed source and proprietary but there are many programmers that contribute freely to Windows. Just in the past month alone I've received all of these updates at no extra charge:

    • W32/Lovgate.x@MM!122880 05/06/2004
    • W32/Bagle.ab@MM 05/06/2004
    • DDoS-Chessmess 05/06/2004
    • BackDoor-CBA 05/05/2004
    • W32/Sdbot.worm.gen.o 05/05/2004
    • Exploit-LHA.demo 05/04/2004
    • W32/Sasser.worm.d 05/03/2004
    • W32/Netsky.ac@MM 05/02/2004
    • W32/Sasser.worm.c 05/02/2004
    • W32/Sasser.worm.b 05/01/2004
    • W32/Sasser.worm.a 04/30/2004
    • W32/Gaobot.worm.ali 04/28/2004
    • W32/Netsky.ab@MM 04/28/2004
    • Passreveal 04/28/2004
    • W32/Bagle.aa@MM 04/28/2004
    • Qhosts.apd 04/28/2004
    • W32/Misodene.b@MM 04/28/2004
    • Exploit-MS04-011 04/28/2004
    • W32/Misodene.a@MM 04/26/2004
    • W32/Netsky.aa@MM 04/26/2004
    • W32/Bagle.z@MM 04/26/2004
    • W32/Vavico.worm 04/23/2004
    • W32/Gbot.worm 04/22/2004
    • PWS-Iyus 04/22/2004
    • W32/Blaster.worm.k!backdoor 04/21/2004

    Not only that, but I received a new browser enhancement called mywebsearch, a free time synchronizer called precision time, and I can check the weather anywhere with my new (might I also add...free) weatherbug program.

    I understand that we can expect a ton more free programs/upgrades like the above when longhorn comes out. Quit bashing Windows and admit that more free programs/upgrades are available for us Microsoft users than you Linux/Mac users!

  17. I wouldn't count on it by Saint+Stephen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I worked there 3 years. Every company meeting went like this:

    Jesus god all mighty we got a lot of money from Office and Windows this year. Here's their breakdown, and here's everybody else, some made money, some didn't, but who cares because Office and Windows really came through!

    Now, even though it's just ridiculous, we still expect 15-20% growth from Office and Windows again. And I'll be damned if they don't go out and do it, year, after year, after year.

    Trust me, if MS does one thing at all, it's make its numbers.

  18. Regardless of the true reason... by AvantLegion · · Score: 4, Funny
    Linux advocates will claim victory.

    Mac advocates will claim victory.

    BSD advocates will claim victory from beyond the grave.