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An anonymous reader writes " The (sci-tech) Library Question is reporting, "The third edition of A Heat Transfer Textbook, written by John H Lienhard V (MIT) and John H Lienhard IV (U Houston), has been made available on the web. The book is an introduction to heat transfer, geared towards engineering students. It may be downloaded free of charge. The authors explain: We are placing a mechanical engineering textbook into an electronic format for worldwide, no-charge distribution. The aim of this effort is to explore the possibilities of placing textbooks online -- effectively giving them away. Two potential benefits should accrue from doing this. First, in electronic format, textbooks can be continually corrected and updated, without the delays inherent in printed books (second and later editions are typically published on a five-year cycle). Second, free textbooks hold the potential for fundamentally altering the economics of higher education, particularly in those environments where money is scarce."

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  1. posting textbooks by neuroinf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a great initiative. It promotes the idea that we should look at the real value in education. The real value is in the people students get to work with (eg. the authors), and the personal experiences they go through on the way to graduate. Why should publishers make profits in this process when they don't add value?

    1. Re:posting textbooks by fbform · · Score: 4, Informative

      Brad Lucier at Purdue founded an online publishing group called Trillia, which does something similar.
      He has submitted a related story on Slashdot before.

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    2. Re:posting textbooks by cmdrxizor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course, it could also be asked why should the authors participate in this process if they don't make any profits?

      Writing a textbook is not an easy feat, and posting them online for free download doesn't give the author any sort of compensation for their work other than the satisfaction of making students happy.

      Also, I find it unlikely that this will really catch on, simply because most of the professors I've dealt with simply would not consider a textbook like this, or wouldn't even be aware of it. The publishing industry does market itself really well - professors get sample books which often end up being used for classes. A prof might see an online book as being somehow of lesser caliber (in terms of factual accuracy, author credentials, or otherwise) than an actual printed book.

      I would imagine there would also be legal liability issues involved in this, suh as if the text accidentally contained false information.

      It's a good idea, but I don't think it's the way to go. Low-cost textbook distribution needs to happen, but I don't think no-cost will work -- at least not yet.

    3. Re:posting textbooks by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 4, Informative
    4. Re:posting textbooks by Shisha · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is a well known fact that the authors don't get much (financially) for publishing a textbook. On the other hand I wouldn't go as far as saying that publishers don't add any value, but I'd say that the value they add is not proportional to the final price.

      The trouble, of course, is that with (especially graduate) textbooks, there are very few people who'd possibly buy it, making publishing them an expensive task.

      By the way, if you're intrested in mathematical analysis but you aren't prepared to spend an entire years budget on those nice yellow Springer books, check out Modern analysis online for not so much books as lecture notes; still a good source.

      As a side note: The papers on "Modern Analysis Online" are still copyrighted by their respective authors. I'm sure you can download them, print them, but certainly not publish them. The website has all the boring details.

    5. Re:posting textbooks by matthewr84 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Authors generally don't make much money off of textbooks anyway, it's more about name recognition and being a productive member of academia.

      As far as other professors adopting the books, I could see it happening. I've had quite a few professors that seemingly complained about the price of textbooks more than the students did. I've even had a handful that put a textbook on the syllabus to keep the state happy but then told us not to waste our money on the textbook on the first day of class and instead make use of the online resources and class notes provided. They'd love to see something like this.

      Not to mention in good old open-source fashion, professors using the books could quite possibly be able to have more input in the process. They might be more favorably inclined to the accuracy of the material if they knew they and others can and do correct mistakes.

    6. Re:posting textbooks by bcrowell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also, I find it unlikely that this will really catch on, simply because most of the professors I've dealt with simply would not consider a textbook like this, or wouldn't even be aware of it.
      I've written some open-source physics textbooks that have been adopted at eighteen schools. Not trying to blow my own horn -- I just wanted to provide a counterexample.

    7. Re:posting textbooks by ebusinessmedia1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is another in a continuing series of developments (including open content licesnsing - see www.creativecommons.org) that will change current models of textbook development and distribution forever.

      It's just a matter of time before public educational institutions at the K-12 and university level (in addition to many private educational institutions)procure all or most of their curriculum materials this way.

      American public educational institutions spend several billions of tax dollars per year for textbooks - required by every public school, most private schools, many home schools, and public universities.

      Added to this cost is the fact that university and K-12 textbooks have risen at three times the rate of inflation since 1992. In California alone, the annual cost for K-12 textbooks is more than $400M per year.

      The textbook industry began its climb to prominence in the 1950's and 60's's, as Baby Boomers entered private and public educational institutions in unpecedented numbers. There was a real need for mass produced educational materials, and commercial textbook publishers filled the demand.

      As enrollment in educational institutions continued to increase, commercial educational publishers gradually became the default suppliers of text-based educational materials.

      Realizing that they had a near monopoly on the educational publishing market, commercial publishers began to raise prices and force "new editions" of classic textbooks into the market to compell new purchases, and defeat the used textbook market. As a result, textbook prices have risen precipitously; it's not unusual for a high school textbook to approach $100, or more. It's often the case that college textbooks exceed that amount.

      Continued dependence on commercial publishers for basic textbooks has led to a "fox is living in the henhouse" situation. As a result, massive diseconomies and inefficiencies have been introduced to the academic textbook market.

      We now live in a time where most consumers can walk into their neighborhood bookstore and purchase a 10th-grade level book on Euclidean Geometry for $10-15. Yet, the same curriculum material, embellished for a 10th-grade school district, can cast upwards of $100, often in addition to the purchase of required ancillary materials (teacher's guides, study guides, lab tapes, etc.).

      The above example is repeated in many classical mathematical - and other - disciplines at the university level.

      Until recently, short of requiring every teacher (or school district) to write its own textbooks, nothing could be done about this costly situation.

      With the advent of new Internet technologies and intellectual property licensing innovations it is now possible to create free, high-quality, distributed banks of educational content. This content can published and distributed for far less than similar materials provided by commercial publishers.

      Here is a listing of some well-known open source educational projects

      Some new current open source content projects are as follows:

      California Open Source Textbook Project (COSTP)(conducting pilot projects)
      http://www.opensourcetext.org

      Wikipedia World History Project (a beginning K-12 pilot inspired by COSTP and based on strict California State surriculum standards)
      http://wikibooks.org/wiki/World_Histor y_Project

      MIT's OpenCourseWare project (a university-based open curriculum project)
      http://ocw.mit.edu/index.html

      There is a burgeoning movement to create "open source" educational content banks, from which insitutional (even individual) users can select - and publish - content about virtually *any* educational topic. These content resevoirs will be constructed to meet the most demanding curriculum frameworks, at all levels of curriculum instruction.

      The open educational content movement makes sense because the bulk of formal educational content - i.e. the content that is delivered to student by educational ins

    8. Re:posting textbooks by H*(BZ_2)-Module · · Score: 2, Informative

      bcrowell provided one counter example above. Another is Allen Hatcher's Algebraic Topology textbook which is used in many classes. It is available both online and in print form. Hatcher has a few other books in progress available as well. Robert Ash has an introductory abstract algebra book available online, along with a couple books on other subjects. I don't know anyone who has used Ash's book but google reveals that it has been used by at least one class. I could go on, but my point is that use of online texts in classes and publishing work in progress online is becoming more and more widespread within mathematics. I have not seen this so much in disciplines other than mathematics, but I am not very close to the other academic communities.

  2. Good Idea by SeXy_Red · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is a very good idea; it would be nice not to have to pay $500+ a semester for books. I am concerned that if this catches on, that a company would find a way to profit from the online books, bringing the college students back into the same situation that they're currently in, which is paying out the ass for basicly renting books for a semester (assuming the college has a book buy back program).

    Another thing, will schools then start supplying laptops or tablet PC's to view these text books on while in class?

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    1. Re:Good Idea by cynyr · · Score: 2, Informative

      My school Northern Michigan University already does. I was provided with a not quite stock IBM R40... At acost of something around $300USD a semester. I get the laptop for 4 semesters and 1 summer, and free repair(as long as it looks like normal use) and "tech support"(usually just being told that you have to back everything up and reimage). At the end of my lease I may purchase the laptop. Everything is works under Suse 9 pro. Not sure if the modem is supported elsewhere. I have no use for the modem.

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  3. Assuming some honesty... by Denyer · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ...on the part of people who complete the download form, this is also an opportunity for authors to gain feedback from parts of the readership demographic they wouldn't normally be in contact with.

    With some engineering and science -related courses suffering from low levels of interest, a wider availability of resources could (as the article suggests) draw out those who aren't applying for financial reasons, whilst giving others a taste of subjects and their potential uses in picking a career path and making a difference. After all, most people have felt they've had a good idea or two at some time or other... many have been discouraged only by the lack of readily available background knowledge.

    Yay for more open learning!

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  4. beneficial in more ways than one by acceber · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Two potential benefits should accrue from doing this. First, in electronic format, textbooks can be continually corrected and updated, without the delays inherent in printed books. Second, free textbooks hold the potential for fundamentally altering the economics of higher education, particularly in those environments where money is scarce.
    It would also eliminate the need to carry around excessively heavy textbooks which often lead to back pain and other detrimental health issues.

    Schools and other educational institutions would probably welcome this as well as it saves storage space, and most importantly, financial resources which can be used in other areas where the money would be of better use such as upgrading technology which is a critical factor. There is nothing worse than having equipment and resources which are outdated and obsolete.

    1. Re:beneficial in more ways than one by timealterer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While not having to carry around textbooks is nice, and I'm never without a Palm or laptop, I have to admit I always prefer reading printed text. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I just find printed text I can write on, fold, flip through, read in the sun, etc. to be a lot easier to read from.

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    2. Re:beneficial in more ways than one by Mad+Marlin · · Score: 2, Funny
      It would also eliminate the need to carry around excessively heavy textbooks which often lead to back pain and other detrimental health issues.

      Unless one of your courses requires you to carry around the entire Encyclopedia Britainnica, you really need to start working out.

  5. When can we start by beachplum · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Free textbooks online? The ability to continually update and correct errors and misinformation? Sign me up.

    Also, one of the big issues in textbook publication is that the information included sometimes can be determined by what state publishes the text - this is especially true in history and biology, both of which are full of political dynamite.

    Maybe eventually this will lead to a freer exchange of information.

    1. Re:When can we start by Kafka_Canada · · Score: 2, Informative

      Check out Wikibooks.

      (Keeping it short cuz I posted about it in a new thread).

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  6. Here are some more free books by kunudo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here (introductory physics.)

    1. Re:Here are some more free books by rampant_gerbil · · Score: 2, Informative

      And if you're interested in topology, Hatcher has some very high quality introductory texts available for free. They aren't all finished yet, but the first is being used for the introductory graduate courses at Wisconsin.

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  7. Noble Effort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a college student, I can certainly appreciate the benefits of free textbooks, lord knows the bookstore overcharged by several limbs. The question is not whether or not this would benefits students and the community at large, but instead one of costs versus benefits.

    Writing a textbook is no small endeavor, professors often spend months upon months writing and revising a single text. While the Open Source community can survive off the valiant efforts of thousands of coders worldwide, the number of individuals in higher academia qualified to write textbooks is much more limited.

    I just can't envision a scenario where this kind of approach is sustainable in a long-term or wide-reaching context. Thoughts?

    -- Frag00

    1. Re:Noble Effort by stephanruby · · Score: 2, Informative
      Writing a textbook is no small endeavor, professors often spend months upon months writing and revising a single text.

      According to this Professor:"A typical [College] textbook earns the author less than $3,000 over a five-year or longer period." That's not a lot of money we're talking about. It could be funded in a number of different ways. We could have featured sponsors, student micropaiments, and paypal donations.

      While the Open Source community can survive off the valiant efforts of thousands of coders worldwide, the number of individuals in higher academia qualified to write textbooks is much more limited.

      Yes, but we don't need that many books in the first place. If the authors adopt the open source model and allow others to contribute to or take what they need from their work, then the same book won't have to be rewritten from scratch by a thousand different authors.

      I just can't envision a scenario where this kind of approach is sustainable in a long-term or wide-reaching context. Thoughts?

      This approach is sustainable. It won't replace dead-tree college textbooks, that's for sure, but at least it will be a viable alternative for some students and some poorer countries.

    2. Re:Noble Effort by rsheridan6 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      My dad was a professor, and he wrote a few textbooks. The writer doesn't make much money off of them unless it's something like a popular Econ 101 textbook which will sell lots of copies. More specialized books for higher level courses (like this heat transfer book) don't sell many copies, and if you're in it for the money you'd be better off mowing lawns than writing one. Professors do get recognition, better raises, etc. for publishing a textbook and that's probably more of an incentive.

      The editors and the publishing company are in it for the money, though. I don't know how important they really are, and how much of a substitute direct contact with the readers is for them. We'll see.

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    3. Re:Noble Effort by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The editors play an important role, and losing their involvement would reduce the overall quality.

      The publishers, on the other hand do not provide the typical services that justify their share of the profit; promotion of the books is non-existant. When distribution is all they are left with, where do they add value?

      My biggest gripes with the hard-copy texts is that (a) they cost so much you have an incentive to sell them at the end of the class, and (b) they are so darn heavy that every time you move you have to consider if you really want to keep them.

      I think it would be great if a school would publish a DVD with all required texts for a "reasonable" price of $100. It can still help fund the writing efforts to a small degree, and give something tangible to students (and alums if they really made something good!).

  8. Incentive by timealterer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's something to ponder. Why does somebody write a textbook? Is it because they enjoy the subject matter, enjoy writing, and want to write an engaging, accurate book? Or is it because one can charge large sums for such a textbook? Unfortunately it's often the latter.

    While the idea of an epic "Commercial vs. Open" textbook rivalry akin to that seen in software is romantic, writing a textbook tends to be somewhat less pleasant, less rewarding, more expensive, and more exacting than writing software. I'd hate to think the foremost experts in fields may be discouraged from writing one day because they can't compete with free, mediocre sources.

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    1. Re:Incentive by BlightThePower · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Why does someone write a textbook?
      Well its certainly not for the money. The typical textbook brings in negligable sums at best. Typically about 2000 GBP as far as I can tell. The general reason is because you require a book for your students that doesn't exist. And if you have the course notes you've written to hand then its more or less there as a by-product. A bit of polishing and you are away.

      Sorry, I know this sounds a little disappointing, its done for reasons of dull expediency and neither fame nor fortune.

      For graduate level texts/"professional" publications the story is of course rather different, and the reasons for doing it are pretty much the same as writing journal papers; (i) "publish or perish"; (ii) mindshare within your field; (iii) again, the damn book you wish was written for your students (this time grads) doesn't yet exist. Writing a whole book is a little inefficient insofar as its only one line on the CV and indeed, if we look back before the days of "publish or perish" you will note that practically everyone had written a book at some point in their careers. However, this seems to be a declining trend, at least within the sciences where time is perhaps better spent on publishing normal papers or writing grant applications.

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    2. Re:Incentive by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 2, Informative
      On the contrary, I think open textbooks could be the best thing to happen to education in quite a while. When you're taking a class, the textbook is almost never the only source of information the teacher uses, and you rarely go through the book in order from chapter 1 to the end. Every teacher thinks they can do better than the textbook author, and they all add supplements and additions that often contain good ideas, but are never seen outside of their own classrooms. With an open textbook approach, every teacher would be free to mix and match lessons from any source and put them together in any order they wanted. The "open textbook" need not be one single book, but could be a collection of pieces. Popular collections of pieces could be printed in bulk like normal textbooks, or teachers could print their own custom textbooks at Kinko's or whatever. All their new ideas and improvements could be submitted back to the open textbook repository for everyone to benefit from. Imagine using a textbook that was built from the combined wisdom of every teacher in the field!

      With this system, nobody would have to write textbooks at all any more. All the material would already be written, but in a constant state of peer review and revision by people who have an interest in making it better. There would be no point in writing a "new" textbook; simply revising the open textbook to suit your needs would be much easier and would result in a better end product since the open textbook would be high quality starting material.

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    3. Re:Incentive by Flyboy+Connor · · Score: 2, Interesting
      This may differ from country to country. I live in Europe. I wrote a textbook once, which netted my department about 20,000 dollars. That money was paid by the publisher (contract-basis, 20,000 even if the book would not sell one single copy), who had some extra funding to release a book on this particular subject matter. The 20,000 did not completely cover my salary, but for several reasons we still decided to do it. We got nothing from the book sales, but that would not have been much anyway.

      Some universities have better funding than others. Those that have good funding may allow their professors to write textbooks. Those that do not, either will have to skip writing textbooks, or have to find extra funding.

      The profits an author gets from writing a textbook are (a) fame, (b) good course material, (c) a chance to be recognised as the top specialist in the field, (d) if very lucky, a bit of money on the side. Unfortunately, where I live an author is never allowed to keep the money for himself; it all has to go to the university. But, for me, if the university does allright, I do allright.

  9. Quality by cperciva · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Free textbooks sounds like a nice idea, but I have to wonder if quality will suffer as a result. There is going to be great pressure from student groups to use free textbooks, even if there are better textbooks available. Since the vast majority of authors can't afford to give away their work for free, this will inevitably reduce the competition between textbooks.

    1. Re:Quality by tootlemonde · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have to wonder if quality will suffer as a result.

      I would expect free textbooks to improve the quality of both free and non-free ones.

      First, assuming that a qualified author writes a free textbook, there should be a fairly high base quality because the author's reputation among his peers is at stake. Another author of a non-free textbook would then have to write a better book than the free one if he expects to charge for it.

      Second, because the free electronic books are subject to frequent revision, other experts and students can submit criticisms and suggestions that can be instantly incorporated.

      Since the vast majority of authors can't afford to give away their work for free..

      Actually, in the textbook field, they can afford to give their work away because they're paid by a university. One should not underestimate the desire for the esteem of one's peers in any endeavor.

    2. Re:Quality by mar1boro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Time spent writing a text, if it is good, increases the writer's reputation.
      A well regarded and published professor is money in the bank for a university.
      A professor who "pens" a text that becomes one of _the_ texts in his field
      can elevate his university's stature tremendously. Imagine if we cut out the
      middleman. A university handles the electronic pulishing duties.
      In your case the text becomes "The cperciva Text." It can be updated
      indefinitely. Continuous peer review. Continuous contributions
      from that university's professors forever.

      I'm not going to propose the details for an entire compensation system.
      It is way too early in the morning for that. I think though, that the lessening
      of text costs would only be one of many benefits. Dynamic texts could change many things.

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    3. Re:Quality by bcrowell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Free textbooks sounds like a nice idea, but I have to wonder if quality will suffer as a result. There is going to be great pressure from student groups to use free textbooks, even if there are better textbooks available.
      Students have zero influence over textbook selection. Teachers pick textbooks based on their own criteria. That's what's goofy about the textbook market: the people who pay for the books aren't the ones who pick them.

  10. Re:Great idea, let's expand it. by Osty · · Score: 3, Insightful

    provide it as a free service to a university's students ... It cost almost $600 last time I bought books

    You do realize that you'd just be transfering the cost, right? "Free" means "included in your tuition", which means rather than paying $600 for your books at a book store, you're paying $600 more in tuition and get your books for free. Sure, some amortization is possible, but is it really fair for a student whose major typically requires $200 in books to subsidize a major that requires $600 in books? I'd rather see textbook costs drop to a realistic level ($90+ for a single book is ridiculous, but it's the way things are going), rather than provide it "for free" in your tuition.


    Then again, I'm no longer in school, so it won't affect me unless I have kids at some point in the (very very far) future.

  11. More Free eBooks by wehe · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have started to collect a survey of free eBooks, which contains links to free tech eBooks as well as fiction eBooks (and free AudioBooks).

  12. Education is not only a textbook... by Kulic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I applaud the authors for their attitude and their willingness to make this textbook available for free download. However, I think that they may be over-estimating the value of a good textbook.

    Let me clarify that last statement - I think that a good textbook is an essential element of a good education on a particular subject, but I do not think that it is the only element required. A well-rounded education should also include hands-on lab time (costs money) and people you can ask to help you and to explain what you are having problems understanding (costs money).

    Now, if this book is aimed at people for whom money is a problem, isn't it naive to think that they have access to a computer (and enough time on that computer to read and understand the text)?

    This book could quite possibly replace existing texts and lower the cost of an education, but I doubt that it would become the entire education. However, I don't think that you can have too many alternative texts on a subject, especially when they are free.

  13. Wikibooks by Kafka_Canada · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those of you who are interested in free (as in speech and beer) textbooks, please check out Wikibooks. It's a Wiki, like the Wikipedia, but wholly devoted to offering free books (primarily textbooks).

    I'm not involved in running Wikibooks, I just use it and contribute to it, and I think it's a great project worth spreading the word about; plus, the more people contribute to it, the better it is.

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  14. errors in textbooks, PC by kardar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I still have on one of my hard drives somewhere a PDF file that points out really horrible errors in typical school textbooks; these were mostly high-school books, but in any case, it really points to the pressures that are placed on book publishers; many pressures that have nothing to do with accuracy of information, but coming from a sense of policital correctedness, and so on. There are influential people in the management levels of the textbook publishers, and there are certain standards that must be upheld in order for that book to be selected by a school system, especially a school system that is funded with taxpayer dollars. Obviously, having checks and balances when it comes to taxpayer dollars is an important thing. But the errors are pretty bad, and there are quite a few of them, at least in the one review there that I read.

    Perhaps the idea of putting this kind of information online, if there is a way that this can be done without too much lost inertia from the fact that you are just giving away your hard work for nothing (i.e. also sell the book in hard-copy), have a donation place for it, or somehow organize funding in some other way. Also, you don't necessarily go through a big publisher to do it this way - you can have more freedom to simply produce an accurate textbook, without having some committee breathing down your neck or having your work thrown in haphazardly with ten other authors' work.

    And there may be more control over the authorship, and the way the whole thing is put together.

    But generally speaking, for instance, O'Reilly books are not that particularly expensive, and I just kind of feel better contributing some type of financial money to the author, and having a hard-copy book has its benefits as well, in case you feel like not being tied down to the computer or laptop screen. I like buying books, but I also like using electronic formats sometimes (it's easier and faster to take notes), it's especially cool when you are studying a programming language and you can see examples in the book and try out your own while you are physically sitting at your computer.

    Electronic formats are good, and hard-copies are good too. What really needs to happen is that the cost of the textbooks, the hardcopy textbooks, need to come down by at least 50%. Again, this can be blamed on the "big publishing companies" - many of the policies and procedures that are commonplace at these types of embedded publishers drive the costs of textbooks up, and increase the number of errors in those textbooks at the same time. Paying some 30 dollars for a very excellent O'Reilly book, for instance, is really no big deal, considering how long it's going to take to read it and work through it, and hopefully the authors are getting some kind of reward in there too. Having an electronic format available for free, especially in the situation where one has purchased the hardcopy, is, I think, a really good idea; especially if that electronic format can have an errata somewhere or something.

    To sum up, I think that the price of textbooks needs to come down, and the errors need to be lesser in number as well. These two things appear to be tied in together, to some extent. Furthermore, there should be a means to reward the authors for their work; I don't think that giving away books for free is really going to encourage people to write quality material; there needs to be some sort of way to integrate the hard copy and the electronic copy in a way that increases the benefits to the reader and still rewards the author and encourages more people to write quality material.

    I think that this is going to turn out to not be quite as easy as it sounds.

  15. How About a Review? by Lucidus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is a wonderful initiative, which I think most of us will want to encourage - but to really determine it's value, we need to know how good the book is. Does it match the standards of currently available conventional (i.e. expensive) texts? It would be great to see a review by a highly-qualified engineer or professor.

  16. Re:Great idea, let's expand it. by rokzy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've heard people talk of these ridiculously high costs for books in the US before. in my experience it isn't true here in the UK: to me an expensive book is above 30, and a book above 40 has no chance. also I've bought ~6 books over my 4 year degree, mostly because I wanted to, you are never required to buy a book.

    in my courses (physics) the point of lectures is to obtain a set of notes good enough to work completely on their own in most cases. questions and answers are also provided by lecturers.

    without wanting to sound like a flame or anything, is it possible that in the US lecturers just can't be bothered or aren't given the resources to teach their pupils properly and so fall back on textbooks which the money-grabbing publishers are happy to exploit (I've heard tales of unnecessary book-CD bundles etc. all just to inflate prices).

  17. The Engines of Our Ingenuity by Brent+Nordquist · · Score: 3, Informative

    John Lienhard (the U. of Houston one) is the host of "The Engines of Our Ingenuity" radio program. If you haven't heard any of these, get the transcripts or see if the program is on in your area. I've always found them excellent.

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  18. The Academic System by sumo61 · · Score: 5, Informative

    As a new Assistant Professor at a U.S. institution, I am required to perform Teaching, Research, Service, and publish scholarly publications in PEER REVIEWED journals, etc. If this is not done satisfactorily, I will be released within several years. In order for the writing of textbooks to contribute to my retention, the 'system' requires publication through a 'major' commercial publisher in your field of knowledge. This is a major reason, IMHO, that we do not see more offerings like the subject of this article. Most professors are lucky to make 10% profit on their text publishing and my discussions in this matter with the publishing houses reveals their near-future plans to offer electronic texts online...on a chapter-by-chapter basis. This would allow instructors to assemble their own 'custom assembled' texts for courses.

  19. good idea ? by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lets take calculus, which has not reallly changed in, say , 200 years... I could buy a nice, acid free paper reprint, which will last for years without batteries for a few dollars from dover, or I could spend 100s of $$ to have something which only works out of the rain, in the right light.... This is an example of not focusing on the problem. The problem is not the delivery technology (print vs online), or the need for updating on a 5 yr cycle (does heat transfer really change that much ?). The problem is the (a) the greed inspired by our capitlist system, which winds up screwing the students, and (b) the complicity of professors, educators and boards of education, which in many states mandate texts. ... To restate the point, if you ask, not is it neat technology, but how would I best serve the students. I think that a co-operative, nonprofit publisher, organized over the net with cvs like software, putting out nice high quality texts on acid free paper, would be a better solution for high school and entry college texts. Even in fast moving fields ( I am familiar with molecular biology, genomics and genetics) most of what gets taught is old; you only need a small handout each year for updating. Even on a strict environmental basis, if only 10% of the "free" heat transfer texts get printed out, is that a plus, considering that home printers are probably environmental disasters, compared to commercial plants ?

  20. It could be the key to renewable power. by Moderation+abuser · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    Sure, sounds dull but heat is looking like a viable way of storing energy generated from renewable sources.

    CAES systems use air compressed using energy from off peak generation to provide generation capacity during peak hours:

    http://www.pbworld.com/pbenergy/caes.htm

    Already implemented in Germany and Alabama.

    The Solar II power tower system in California stores concentrated heat from the sun in molten salt in order to generate power at night and during cloudy periods.

    http://rhlx01.rz.fht-esslingen.de/projects/alt_e ne rgy/sol_thermal/powertower.html

    --
    Government of the people, by corporate executives, for corporate profits.
  21. Re:Great idea, let's expand it. by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "I've heard tales of unnecessary book-CD bundles etc. all just to inflate prices"

    "As stupid as I found the idea of printing a book about Web publishing, the idea of stuffing a CD-ROM in the back seemed to belong to a whole new category of stupidity. Macmillan initially wanted a CD-ROM, on the grounds that readers think such books have more value. I said that if we couldn't get some complete RDBMS packages for the CD-ROM then there was no point in having it (and in fact as my book came out Oracle decided to make all of its software available for download on the Web so there would not have been any point even if we could have gotten a full Oracle for the disk).

    I asked Macmillan to put in the standard CD-ROM pocket but fill it with a black cardboard disk, said disk to be printed with the URL for the book's virtual CD-ROM (http://demo.webho.com). Macmillan said that would be more expensive than a real disk so we ended up printing the inside back cover with a nice "no CD" symbol underneath which ran my text:

    Would you really want to take Web publishing advice from someone who had to burn a CD-ROM to distribute his software? Come to http://demo.webho.com for electronic versions of the source code examples in this book, for live demos of the software in use, and for the packaged source code to larger systems. IMHO, this URL is better than a CD-ROM. You can't lose it. You can't scratch it. You can't leave it in your office when you need it at home. You can give it to your friends and still keep it for yourself.

    People laugh when they read this so I think it worked."


    Philip Greenspun, writing about his book Philip and Alex's Guide to Web Publishing
  22. More info on MIT's Intermediate Heat XFer Course by Xoo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Lienhard's course is available on OpenCourseWare as well, to go along with the posted Heat Transfer textbook. It's a very thorough read for an intermediate-level class, happy learning :-) Here's the link

    --
    Karma police, arrest this man, he talks in maths....
  23. Re:Great idea, let's expand it. by Bob+Zer+Fish · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I dunno, I use a library myself! ;)

  24. Even better... by dysprosia · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about open, realtime editing, creation, correcting, and updating of free, GFDL'd textbooks? It's already here: check out wikibooks.

  25. Re:Great idea, let's expand it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    Bzzt. Wrong. Yes, education is subsidized, but UK taxes are on a relatively comparable level to most US states for everyone except the richest few percent of the population (if you make more than about $200,000 you're likely to pay noticeably less in the US than here). Once you factor in a minimum level of health insurance needed to get equivalent coverage as what the government provide here, you're likely to pay as much or MORE in the US than here.

    I earn 60.000 UKP a year (about 105.000 USD). Way over the average, and hence pay significantly more taxes than the average person in the UK.

    My tax rate PLUS national health insurance ends up at 32%. Note that you don't really need extra health insurance in the UK, as the NHS (the government operated National Health Service) is actually good enough.

    Despite that my employer does cover an additional health insurance, but if I'd pay that myself, it would have been only 200 UKP a year for me AND my wife, as most health insurance in the UK only covers specialist treatment and treatments where the NHS queues are "too long" (that is, if I need an operation and can't get it immediately through the NHS, I can go get it done at a private hospital).

    Now, lets look at federal income tax in the US for my income level (note: numbers from 2001, I couldn't bother spending much time on this):

    Base tax: $13,708 + 30% of amount over $63,550. Which adds up to $13,708 + $12435 = $26143. 24.9%.

    However, 32% was inclusive of health insurance, and the only additional amount is a council (county) tax equivalent to property/land tax (it is based on the value of your property.

    If I add that to my UK tax amount, I'm up to 34.5%, all inclusive, with sufficient health insurance.

    Now, for most US states, with an income like mine, I'd be paying between 4% and 8% state income tax.

    That brings my US taxes up to 28.9% - 32.9%.

    US county and property taxes wary wildly, but it would not be unusual for it to end up at 2-3% of income, as plenty of counties have property taxes in the 2-3% of assessed property value, and given that market property value is often 2-3 times salary or more, it wouldn't take much for assessed property value to be that high. I'm not even including other county taxes that are baked into the UK council tax (which I added to the UK number of 34.5%).

    Let's say the likely range for property and county taxes is 1%-4% of gross income. This brings my likely US tax up to 29.9% - 36.9%. The high end is already above my UK tax, and my UK tax includes full health insurance

    How is that for "astronomically higher"?

  26. That is why I wrote two free web books by MarkWatson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have written several published books - overall a very fun experience, but for one thing:

    I would occasionally get emails from people teaching classes to students who no-way could afford to buy my books (usually in 3rd world countries). These teachers would ask for permission to copy a few chapters for class distribution - something that I did not have the right to do.

    My solution to this problem was to write 2 free web books using a Creative Commons license (I was the featured commoner about a year ago).

    I still write books for publication, but to be honest, writing free books under a CC license is way more satisfying.

    -Mark

  27. Good start, but we need GPL multimedia textbooks by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I teach at a large university and my colleagues and I have spend some thought on open-source multimedia textbooks - not PDFs, which are almost completely inferior to their paper counterparts, and take no advantage of being consumed through a computer.

    It was our idea that we should start with an introductory physics text, say, basic mechanics. The ultimate product would be an .iso disk image which contains not only a textbook, but recordings of key lectures, some highly compressed video and simulations of certain experiments, perhaps rendered in a GPL 3D graphics engine (where physical principles would be programmed in, and students could manipulate the setup and observe realistic changes in the results).

    This would be a large and publicised project, and one that could/should attract enough NSF funding to cover its modest costs. (I've seen the NSF give money to much more frivolous ideas!) The initial text might be a "donation" from a cooperating professor, and the audio/video lecture fragments would also be solicited recorded in the classrooms of truly excellent faculty. (Nobody I talked to about this said he/she would refuse.) The various programs and simulations that need to be written would come from contracted, qualified and paid programmers and graduate students. (And perhaps volunteers.) All their code would be GPL.

    Once the project gets going, a working group, organized much like an editorial board, would solicit and review new submissions and alterations. There can be arbitrarily many exercise problems, as well as detailed explanations of their solutions.

    These would fully take advantage of the digital format. One weakness of paper textbooks is that by their nature, they have space for only a few fully-solved and explained sample exercises. This would not be a limitation of an electronic text. In fact, how to solve an exercise could be explained in several different ways by different instructors, maximizing the chance the student would "get it". I imagine an interface where next to each step, there is a small "how does this follow?" button. If pressed, it opens a small window describing the motivation of a certain transition.

    Many of these details and elaborations could be contributed by users of the textbook. Like any major software project, there would be a moderated online forum to discuss issues related to the textbook. Ultimate decisions about how the text should be updated (the regular "distributions" of the GPL material) would be made by the editorial board. In academia many professors participate in editing journals pro bono, and we could expect something similar here. Feedback on the various aspects of the text would be solicited directly from students and instructors, and the editorial board would post "requests for updates" with specific issues that need to be addressed to make the project a better learning tool.

    Well, we thought about many more details of implementation, but they are boring and you guys might have better ideas anyway. The point of the whole project would be primarily to have a supplement to introductory college-level classes, but the uses go far beyond that. The textbook would be designed to be self-learner friendly, something a motivated high-school student could easily work through. It could be duplicated cheaply and en masse (at first it would be a set of CD-ROMS, eventually transitioning to DVD-ROMS). In places where poverty, georgaphy and cultural factors limit access to higher education (which includes parts of the USA), people will still have simple computers and can cover the $2 for a burned DVD-ROM.

    Of course, the idea would be to get one "hit" textbook and then reuse the software and other infrastructure to make more. Not only would this textbook require sequels, but also a demand for a calculus textbook in the same format. These are ideal fields for getting the project rolling, because introductory math, physics and chemistry textbooks don't get obsolete very quickly. How this project would be paid for re

  28. if you cant write, you cant teach by peter303 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Writing a coherent text clarifies one's knowledge of a subject. If you havent taken the time to write down your material, even in an informal text, then you probably havent consolidated your subject well.

  29. Free Biomedical Library by Dr_Emory · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The National Library of Medicine makes available a number (maybe 25?) of the electronic versions of print textbooks on a variety of topics. This can be an excellent resource. Check it out.

  30. Re:Good start, but we need GPL multimedia textbook by Teancum · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I was a part of a "research project" funded by the U.S. Department of Education for $750,000 that was to do exactly what you are saying here. We were trying to develop multimedia development tools that could be used to help instructors put together instructional multimedia software.

    The software we developed (I was the programmer on the project) was used for several classes on campus at Utah State University, where the project was based from, under the direction of Dr. R. Kent Wood (he has since retired). Our primary emphasis was more toward K-12 learning, but it proved to be quite popular with several computer-based learning groups including C.A.L.I.C.O, a group of individuals working on acquiring forign language skills through computer-based learning.

    There are several issues that need to be dealt with in regards to multimedia development. Some of them have been solved compared to what I was dealing with in the past, but some still are huge problems:
    • Multimedia standards - This is one of the areas that due to the emergence of the World Wide Web and other generally open applications has pushed this forward quite a bit. MPEG, PNG (MNG), and other standardized formats have really made a difference over the zoo of incompatable formats that there were even 10 years ago. There is still need to do more work in this area, and there are some items that really need review. Multimedia game design and the entertainment industry, unfortunately, are the major drivers of this sort of activity.
    • Accessable Multimedia Materials - Due to the "eternal" copyright of many multimedia types (photos, audio clips, cinema in all its flavors) are copyrighted and impossible to use as "fair-use" for educational purposes except on a very limited basis. Court ruling on this strongly favor the media companies and make it almost impossible to use anything that is available. The Google image search is essentially worthless if you want to use it in any instructional software that would be used for more than a single section of a single course taught at only one university. I would love to see a Multi-media variant of Project Gutenberg where you could get central repository of multimedia items (a clip art library, music clips, video, etc.) that would be guarenteed to be totally public domain or released in some copyleft arrangement. There is quite a bit on the internet, but it is scattered around and really needs to be put together. There are some collections (I happen to have some content I'd like to donate) that simply needs to be put together, scanned, and released. If I had infinite resources and time I'd like to do this, and if it isn't going by the time I get close to retirement, I may get this going myself anyway. I just need to feed my family for now.
    • Authoring System Support - There needs to be a standardizing the "glue" format that holds all of this multimedia information together with Unicode-based text that is appropriate in a computer-based learning environment needs to be worked out. HTML and its variants are pretty good, and there some fairly decent "authoring" tools available such as Authorware or Director, but these all have some hard limitations. The High Schools that I've seen are typically either using HTML or Power Point (I am not kidding here either) for routine stuff that is developed. University-level instruction is totally non-standard and often includes custom software written for the one project, which eats up almost all the time and resources of the project. Ideally I'd love to see an open-source project that would help put this sort of instruction together. It needs to be easy to use, but powerful enough that if you are willing to learn (with a shallow learning curve) you can get progressively more features to the point that you can write the entire authoring environment in itself (aka be Turing complete). Nothing I know of has this capability at th
  31. Good for Science books, maybe not for History. by MacDork · · Score: 2, Funny
    • Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia. Since the beginning of your life, since the beginning of the Party, since the beginning of history, the war has continued without a break, always the same war.
    Take one part secure eBook format, one part trusted computing, and one part extensible markup. Mix vigorously and serve with a side of Freedom fries.
  32. The other extreme at the University of Texas by tyrantnine · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All Computer Science and Electrical Engineering majors at the University of Texas are required to take EE316 (Digital Logic Design) at the University of Texas. The class textbook was written by the professor of the course (Charles Roth) and with software included costs approxmiately $140 new. The Text is on its fifth edition and I believe a lot of the changes are for no reason other than to force students to buy new books. At the beginning of the semester (the only time one sees one of the professors in this self-paced class), the other overseeing professor made it a point to encourage everyone to write in the book when answering homework problems -- quite obviously so students would not be able to sell them back. I thought that was bad enough when I swallowed the price myself, but they even had the gall to send out an e-mail to all sections of the class saying everyone had an important decision to make: Whether or not to sell back the text! And of course, it was a good idea not to as this book is a valuable reference to keep, yadda. Anyway it sort of sickened me that the profs of the course were so brazen about it. It's an excellent text, no doubt, and it has to be since the class is self-paced (meaning, the textbook is your only real source of instruction), but its horrendously overpriced and updated to new editions with odd frequency. If all thats not enough, a 20 page "course supplement" must also be purchased for the class to nick you for another 5 dollars - why this is not availible as a PDF (or whatever) it pretty obvious. Anyway, perhaps authors dont make much from texts, but Charles Roth at UT-Austin appears to be doing his best to pad his retirement (which is coming soon). As for me, fortunately this book will be good for at least another semester, so fortunately I will be able to get back some of the $140 I spent on this book... if I ever need a reference, I'll go buy a copy of a previous edition for $5 from one of the hoardes of prior EE or CS students at UT who got nailed on a semester a new edition was coming out...