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Stopping Overseas Fax Spam?
iotashan asks: "Likely for most businesses, unsolicited faxes have become quite a problem. They needlessly use up toner and paper, and are usually just scams anyway. Specifically, we are receiving faxes from a company called Flamingo Travel. Now, they appear to bug business across the US, and some innocent parties are falling victim. I have used their automated system for having my fax number removed, to no avail. Is my only weapon having a bunch of friends call this 800 number to make the company's overseas toll-free phone bill unbearable?"
"The latest fax listed a number to call to take advantage of the offer (800-328-9795), so I called it and asked to be removed. The woman took down my number, but rather smugly told me that they are in England so they do not have to obey the US unsolicited fax laws. She wouldn't provide me with any other company information, and then stopped answering calls from my number after repeated hang-ups. The FCC says that it is a civil matter, and to go through the courts. The Fax Preference Service in the UK says they cannot help people outside the UK. Do I have nowhere to turn except an expensive lawyer, armed with no information about the company?"
sorry to spoil it for you all but cant it wait until morning? its like 11:26PM over here. there will be no one in that office!!
D'OH!
How many computers are too many?
A couple of karma-whoring things...
Number 1 : Free World Dialup
Number 2 : Why are you still using a fax machine? Get a cheap computer up on some fax software and you can auto-filter your faxes. Not to mention the savings you'll get from not using any toner. Then just lazer print anything worth keeping.
Scratch that, after searching a little more the number is right, dial away!!!!
My user number is prime. Is yours?
Try reading your link again. It is the same one noted in the story regarding "innocent parties". The page you linked at flamingo-travel.com explains the the number (1-800-328-9795) does belong to the offending company.
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I checked on the guy who posted this.. there's really no history of him posting anything on slashdot prior to this--
iotashan
Seems like a banner click thru scam, but this time it's with a 1-800 number. Brilliant.
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Who the hell uses a fax machine anymore anyways???
Normal businesses and people, that's who.
When an editor wants to send back a marked-up piece of copy, they do it by fax. Any real editor in the world will tell you that you don't edit online. You do it with proofreaders' marks, circles, arrows, writing in between lines, etc.
If you are, or are dealing with, a lawyer, a real-estate agent, or anyone who works with contracts, you exchange the contracts via fax. (Typing your name in e-mail doesn't count as a signature.)
The business world still relies on faxes because they work better than e-mail for many purposes.
Most people don't have sheetfeed scanners, so they can't put a 15 page document in their scanner and just walk away. They have to feed it page by page, so don't even bother with the use-a-scanner-and-e-mail-it line.
If you're reading this, dial 1-800-328-9795. One call won't hurt.
Or will it? Now that you've called them, they have your phone number -- ANI displays your number even if you block caller id from being sent. Because you called them, likely from your home number, doesn't that consitute a business relationship with them? Perhaps now you'll start getting tons of phone calls to your number, and they won't be unsolicited.
The best thing is to write down the number and take it with you. If you happen to pass by a phone booth (or hotel courtesy phone, or...) on the way to lunch or something, pick it up and make the call.
Want to improve your Karma? Instead of "Post Anonymously", try the "Post Humously" option.
However, spammers always lie - if they're using an 800 number, there's a high probability that it really _is_ in the US, and they're just claiming to be in England to make you go away. Or the 800 number could be going to a VOIP box in the US which connects them to a call center in the UK. So trace the call - at least with callerid, if nothing else (though that's often inaccurate) and see if you can find out where it's from. If the call is coming in on a direct analog phone line, you can also use one of the phone company features like *69 or your local telco's call tracing versions to check further.
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Did a search to see if I could find any additional information and found that Flamingo Travel has incorrectly had calls going to their number. They have their front page modified to point people to the correct number as other posters have listed. They also have this link to fcc.gov for filing complaints against unwanted faxes.
Sounds like some people have hit the wrong target.
Be careful, calling an 800 number may cost you $$l lfre e.htm
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/tmarkg/to
They are based in Florida.
do a Google search on the 800 number.
Found them in the BBB under the following:
FLAMINGO TRAVEL
2137 N Courtenay Pkwy Ste 23
Merritt Island, FL 32953
Local Phone Number: (321) 454-9070
Fax Number: (321) 452-0606
TOB Classification: Travel Agencies & Bureaus
According to the website provided by Slashdot:
They are coming from a company in Florida calling themselves Flamingo Travel... they sell time shares.
-B
For academic purposes only. Know the laws of your state.
First, you'll need a credit card number.
Visa numbers are constructed like this like this:
Start with the digit 4
16 digits altogether
The checksum they must pass is:
Take the even digits, double them, and add the resulting digits together to get a new digit. (or just map 0-9 to 0246813579 for the even digits).
Then add all the digits together. If it's a multiple of 10, the card number is valid. A quick way to generate would be to start with 4 plus 14 random digits, calculate the checksum of those 15 digits, and subtract from 10 to get the remaining digit.
Their machines will initially accept them, and be forced to contact visa to verify their correctness, at which time they'd fail, but result in small charges to their merchanct account. Enough bad card numbers can get an account suspended.
More than likely, the spammer will just end up sticking the phone company with the bill. If this effort generates enough traffic to actually make an impact on the spammer's finances, the spammer will probably be able to point to a malicious /. thread and get the phone company to absorb the charges.
/.ers dial away, about 1 out of every fifty calls is dinging an innocent bystander. (assuming that there are innocent people who have 800 numbers.)
The other innocent group getting hit right now are people who have phone number similar to the spammer. As fat fingered
It costs the recipient $0.25+ for each call from a payphone. Hit'em where it hurts.
"To those who are overly cautious, everything is impossible. "
Is my only weapon having a bunch of friends call this 800 number to make the company's overseas toll-free phone bill unbearable?
Do remember that the recipient of an 800 call gets your phone number reported to them.
Calling from a pay phone will prevent you from receiving phone-spam (or legal) retribution.
In the US, calling from a pay phone has an additional benefit: the recipient is charged ~$0.35 per call to compensate the owner of the pay phone for the money you're not putting in. So if you don't get the information you need the first time, keep calling back until you do.
It doesn't work that easily.
The idea is that the Telezapper (and devices like it) send out an SIT tone (the beeps that you get when you call a number and get the recording, "This number is not in service"). The telemarketing machines are supposed to recognize that and assume that the phone number isn't in service anymore (and thus, to avoid calling you again, which wastes time and money, remove you from the list).
At the telemarketing company I worked for about six years ago (*hangs my head in shame*), even though the computer did the dialing, we'd get to listen once the connection was made, no matter what is was. It was then up to me to determine whether to add that number to the bit bucket (for that list) or not.
So, depending on the setup the telemarketer has, it's easy enough to listen to the tone, and then wait for the person to answer the phone. Heck, I think that they have it automated by the dialing machines now.
-- Joe
http://www.flamingo-travel.com/Home/News.asp?ID=1
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We have been recieving phone calls from people angry that we are sending them fax specials like $99 to Disney and Kids Free. Please know that they are NOT coming from Flamingo Travel Group in Pennsylvania. They are coming from a company in Florida calling themselves Flamingo Travel. Their phone number is 1-800-328-9795 and they sell time shares.
800 number scams
Seems you need to agree beforehand to a billing arrangement or provide a CC # before you begin recieving 'services'.
We apologise for the fault in this post. Those responsible have been sacked. -- Signed RICHARD M. NIXON
To save your server from that fate, I'll pseudo-transcribe the fax:
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Disney Vacation (KIDS ARE FREE!)
4 Days
3 Nights
in Orlando
$99 per person
double occupancy
This Special Rate is Limited to the first 50 Purchasers Today!
{[Ask about our all inclusive 3 day 2 Night Cruise to the Bahamas!]}
INCLUDES: 2 Disney Tickets FREE!
Buy (Disney Vacation Package) get (Cruise Vacation Package) FREE!
BONUS: Daytona Beach 3 Days 2 Nights
Purchase Today and Receive Complimentary Air Voucher to Jamaica, Mexico or Las Vegas PLUS 2 Nights Accommodations!
1-800-328-9795
CALL NOW
LIMITED AVAILABILITY
Processing and accomodation fee not included. To have your fax number removed please call 1-888-211-8303 . Time share tour optional.
###
That was harder than it looks. The layout of that page is horrible.
Yeah, it "works".
For $10 you can send a few thousand junk faxes, burn up a over a hundred dollars worth of toner and paper from the thousands of victimes, tie up thousands of fax machines blocking in-coming or out-going faxes for a while, and receive $15.
Of course those profits will vanish pretty damn fast when a couple of people file TCPA lawsuits in small claims court becuase those faxes are illegal. Not only do you need to show up in court for each suit filed, but each fax results in a minimum $500 fine. Of course each fax is almost guaranteed to actually be a double violation, and the damages are TRIPLE if the fax was not sent by accident (i.e. a genuine innocent wrong-number). So each and every junk fax is generally $3000 in damages if the judge fully enforces the law.
It doesn't matter HOW profitable junkfaxing is, just a handfull of such cases and you lose your house.
I suggest you tell your friend to do a quick Google on JunkFax penalties.
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