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Webby Award 2004 Winners Announced

ivar writes "Over at the official site, the 2004 Webby Award Winners have been announced. There were a few surprises given the last publicly viewable rankings - I guess they keep the last few days in secrecy for a reason." The press release announcing the winners has more detail, noting: "Reflecting the egalitarian spirit of the internet, winners ranged from Wikipedia.org (Best Community), a free, community-built encyclopedia, to the official site for the Oscar-winning documentary The Fog of War (Best Film), to web powerhouses like Google (Best Practices and Best Services)."

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  1. Just so long as no Flash sites won. by Power+Everywhere · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's nothing worse for the web than Flash. Can't be bookmarked, needs a plugin, version dependent, source can't be studied, and the W3C has no control over it.

    Valid XHTML 1.1 and CSS are the way to go, no matter who or what's writing it.

    1. Re:Just so long as no Flash sites won. by bonkedproducer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, and color TV is evil and sucks the soul out of everything. Flash has it's place, and has made great strides in usability - just because it's not the way you would do things doesn't mean it is evil. If you don't like flash - DON'T VIEW OR SUPPORT SITE'S THAT USE IT - but it has it's place just like every other peice of technology on the planet. Damn, the W3C has no control over those pesky games people play over the internet either, let's make sure we dump the entire games category from the webby's. Slashdot users, for the most part WE ARE GEEKS! I am proud to say that I fit that description, but everytime I see a fellow /.er bemoan some peice of technology because THEY don't like it, it smacks of elitism, and intolerance, are you just trying to get back at someone in the past that made you feel inferior? Or maybe you're just challenged because something you don't use is liked by someone else? Having said all that, yes, XHTML and CSS are excellent tools as well, and often more useful than flash, but sometimes moving images, sound, etc. go a lot farther than static images and text to create an experience, as for those that said Flash is a bastardization of all the Internet was meant to be, sorry, next time we want to create anything we'll clear it with you.

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    2. Re:Just so long as no Flash sites won. by Ziviyr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At least black and white TV sets usefully decode color signals.

      Not much comes out of flash on an webbrowser without a flash plugin loaded.

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  2. Where's Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The 2004 Webby Award Winners have been announced.

    I don't understand. Wikipedia and Google are cool and everything... but what about Slashdot??

  3. Wow, is this still around? by toupsie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thought the Webby's were made irrelevant back at the end of the 90s. With so many web sites and services, this award has no meaning what-so-ever. Oh well, I guess some things don't know when they're dead.

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  4. wikipedia by ambienceman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wikipedia (and affiliates) should be on that list because the interface is clean. It's easy to get around and go off on tangent while searching something. It's open...and it's educational. I learned a lot of cool facts.

    Like where the " All your base are belong to us " come from. And yes, ive just proved that I am not worthy of reading Slashdot because I didn't know wtf that came from.
  5. Oh well, no Groklaw by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry to see Groklaw not on the list, especially in the law group. I've learned more about the law in the last year from that site than I learned anywhere else...by far. It is also an example of a true community site that formed by self-selection. People just flocked to the site and made it what it became. The power of many-eyes in action, this time to discuss legal cases that could greatly impact our tech lives.

  6. I respectfully disagree by Deitheres · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know that Flash is not popular here on Slashdot. No flamebait or trolling intended, but you gotta realize we are no longer in the world of lynx. You may still use it, I may still use it on occasion (just like you and I may still use vi or emacs), but the general public wants multimedia content. While it is true that Flash requires a plugin, so do many other things (such as java on mozilla). The necessity of a plugin does not make something inherently bad (IMO).

    Flash allows for cross-browser, cross-platform web development. If I create a Flash animation I do not have to worry about how it will appear on Mac/Linux/Windows/Netscape/Mozilla/IE/Opera. It will be consistent across all platforms. The same cannot be said for HTML and CSS. Even though standards have been set, rendering software does not always abide by those standards (mainly this only applies to MS).

    Long story short, and I know it's slightly OT, I think Flash is a great way to present good looking multimedia content with a (relatively) small footprint. What does bother me are websites that do flash-only, or use flash unnecessarily. You should not design an ENTIRE site in flash, and if you do you should at least provide a non-flash site for your users.

    Just my $.02

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    1. Re:I respectfully disagree by Deitheres · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well I will admit that it has been a long time since I have run Linux (long story, wife is not a computer person can't "understand" Linux blah blah blah), but I never had any problems with flash animations between platforms. Now, when I last used Linux the only browsers available were Netscape or Opera, so I have no experience with Mozilla/Konq/Foo Browser under Linux... In the past, I never had an issue between IE/Windows and Netscape/Linux as far as rendering the animation. Granted, both versions of Flash were version 4.0 (I believe). I do not know what the status of Flash releases are these days, and it may be an issue where version releases are not kept consistent across OS platforms, although I could be wrong.

      Also, I think you misunderstood my point about CSS/HTML. You said when valid HTML is "displayed on a standards compliant browser, it will be the same." I agree, but the point that I was trying to make is that IE is not exactly compliant with W3C standards. That was the only point I was trying to get across.

      Out of curiousity, is there an OSS alternative for Flash? A quick Google search did not provide anything that stuck out to me, maybe a fellow slashdotter can fill us in!

      Dan

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    2. Re:I respectfully disagree by iammaxus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But you are missing the point of the web entirely. Flash is managed by one company, its control is not in the hands of a consortium but a for-profit company. HTML does have problems being used cross-platform, but thats just beacuse of the nature of its creation, by a relatively disjointed consortium and there is no way around it. Sure the proprietary nature of it gives it advantages but it gives it disadvantages too.

      Regardless, personally, i think the biggest porblem with Flash is how hard it is for machines to get data from it. As soon as google starts giving me results for Flash based content, maybe i will change my mind.

    3. Re:I respectfully disagree by Sithgunner · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Slightly OT here.

      When we say "no flash!" doesn't always mean, "we don't want eye candy but get the contents right!", at least from my point of view. Flash is evil, because only HUMAN can read the content.

      It'd be fun for you to learn about semantic web. It's about machines reading other machines content and fiddle with that.

      I understand flash came out earlier and it's spread around the world, but there's a great alternative that just does the same thing in xml in text format, SVG.

      Of course svg is only a standard and there's no one universal plugin, so the content may not look as completely the same on everyone's machine, but I can tell you it's so much better than HTML in terms of consistency across the few plugins out there.

      Besides it's much more fun than flash after you made the content =)

  7. what about porn? give me a break... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I nominated www.thehun.net and I dont see it as a winner. This contest was rigged. We all know they get 10x as many hits as slashdot. ;)

  8. Re:Wikipedia community by LordK3nn3th · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Best" community?

    I would consider slashdot or something awful to have far superior communities. Sure, the idea is great (I sometimes contribute to wikipedia here), but let's be honest with wikipedia-- trolls are almost unstoppable, and many editors and admins I have met are rude and lazy, following the moto "Let the wikiprocess sort it out"-- using that as an excuse to have someone else fix it. And of course nobody does-- and when you do you get labeled "POV, troll, fanatic", etc.

    Quacks, paranormalists, spiritualists, creationists, and various other people quickly hunt down opposition and try to silence it any way they can. One guy even got into a war over the capitilization of "god" (was not referring to any specific god) and the issue took a long time to resolve.

    Maybe if you're looking up info for London or Al Capone or the economy in 1945 the thing is good-- but for anything remotely controversial, such as science, skeptics, religion, I would not recommend it simply because of the "community" at wikipedia I have experienced firsthand.

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  9. Re:Google? Best Practices? by duncan+bayne · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm probably being trolled here, but I'll bite: given that human rights are meaningless without the means to defend oneself against human rights violators (from muggers to Government employees) - how can you support free speech, freedom of religion etc. without supporting RKBA (Right to Keep & Bear Arms)?

    And in case you're wondering, I'm not American, I'm a New Zealander. Not all RKBA supporters are American.

  10. Re:Google? Best Practices? by duncan+bayne · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Interesting argument - yes, guns are less effective nowadays against Government violations because of the size, funding levels, & armaments of the Government agencies.

    However, all the evidence suggests that guns are excellent tools of self-defense against private criminals - see Gun Facts for the proof.

  11. I'm sorry, but... by jonfromspace · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Carstuckgirls????

    WTF is the web coming to???

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  12. Re:Al-Jazeera as a news site nominee? by Xaer0cool · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly. They give one side, fox gives the other. The truth lies somewhere in between. That is why it's important to have both.

  13. All Flash apps reinvent the wheel by TrentL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every single Flash app is re-inventing the wheel. Unlike HTML, there are no common Flash widgets (or at least none that I've seen in various places). The usability is shot to hell. Users can't apply their own styles. Can I even cut and paste text from a Flash app? Most don't let me.

    Flash does have it's place. The Washington Post and NY Times often have nice Flash side-bars that can make an electoral map or poll results come alive. But in general, I don't think Flash enhances the web experience.

    1. Re:All Flash apps reinvent the wheel by sirshannon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As noted elsewhere, you're wrong about the widgets, and you CAN cut and paste text (not images) from Flash unless they turn that off. But I just wanted to show you this link:
      http://rr.com

      Portals and other sites/apps benefit greatly from Flash due to the way the widgets and/or sections are able to pull data without causing the other widgets/sections (or the entire page) to refresh. In HTML, this would be possible via iFrames and/or DHTML, but your bookmarks issue is just as relevant in that case and the whole "cross browser/cross platform" benefit is lost.

      90% of Flash is for your viewing pleasure and nothing else, but there are cases where Flash has real benefits. Crossbrowser, crossplatform data-driven thin client/smart client/Rich Internet Applications (or whatever you wanna call them) can not be done as easily, safely , or efficiently by any other method that I know of.

      Also, you may want to check out http://www.laszlosystems.com/

  14. Re:Wikipedia community by Eloquence · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I think your sig speaks for itself. If you approach Wikipedia articles in a confrontational manner, then of course you will run into conflicts and edit wars. How else could it be, if people from all parts of the political, scientific and religious spectrum have to work together?

    My experience is that the people who will get into conflicts are mostly those who have a problem with our neutrality policy. They feel that Wikipedia should clearly label certain views as nonsense. Of course people can never agree on what is and isn't nonsense, so they fight all day about it. But our policy states that in such cases, what we do is attribute the claims from both sides to their adherents.

    Now, there are often misunderstandings regarding that policy, such as the belief that we have to give pseudoscience "equal time" in science articles. This is addressed in some detail in th actual policy page: NPOV and pseudoscience. And of course there are religious fanatics and other hardcore believers who find it difficult to work together and insist on the exclusion of certain points of view or on the prominent inclusion of their own in articles which have nothing to do with their belief system (e.g. religious views in scientific articles). However, as we develop and refine our policies, these cases become increasingly rare.

    There is of course always conflict, and it contributes to truly adding all perspectives to an article. However, in terms of civility, Wikipedia fares much better than most other online communities, not least because we have a clear policy against personal attacks. In terms of getting the facts right, I have described several ideas in my campaign platform for the upcoming Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election.

  15. Re:Google? Best Practices? by next1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    dude, you're from new zealand, one of the most peaceful countries in the world. low crime rate, low violent crime rate, no nukes, no wars.

    cities in america such as new york and washington have amongst the HIGHEST rates of gun murders and assaults in the world.

    america is riddled with guns and riddled with gun violence. new zealand is NOT riddled with guns and, coincidentally, NOT riddled with gun violence. hmmm..

    look at the school shootings in the US. kids carrying guns to school, guns they have often sourced from their own homes, ie; guns that were intended for self-defence as you describe.

    do you really think you'd hold the same view if that was your reality?

  16. Re:Is it just me, or do people here abuse moderati by LMCBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    because I'm right

    What exactly do you think you are right about? Google won an award for building the world's most useful website. This fact is completely independent of the fact that they refuse to take ad money from gun makers. Why should something so irrelevant as their ad choices determine whether or not they are eligible for a Webby?

    In short, you have failed to consider the possibility that you were modded troll because your post was a troll. i.e., you used a completely unrelated news item to shout about some random pet peeve of yours. That's a troll, isn't it? If not, it's at least off-topic.

    Anyway, it's moot now, since your post is now at +5. Congrats on successfully gaming the system... :)

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  17. Very egalitarian by HBI · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just about every site listed had a tilt to the left.

    It's about as egalitarian as Pravda in the old days.

    Nice to know that some things never really change.

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  18. Re:Google? Best Practices? by next1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i would agree, we don't see this in canada (or nz, i've since learned they have quite a high % of gun ownership) because the USA has a fundamental problem of violence (ie; guns don't kill people, people kill do).

    however, as in my example above, the problem is accentuated by the fact that guns have in some cases been accessible to children, which is a result of people having guns in their homes.

    if the guns weren't available, then they would not have been an option in those cases.

  19. Re:Al-Jazeera as a news site nominee? by caluml · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The truth lies somewhere in between

    Somewhere near the BBC. I think more Americans should read what the rest of the world is saying. American media is reknowned for being amazingly biased and blinkered.

  20. Re:Al-Jazeera as a news site nominee? by idiotnot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't whine about Fox News -- I view them as entertainment. I also enjoy the Weekly World News, FWIW. As Lionel pointed out, watch a Fox newscast, and count the number of times the phrases, "Get this," and "This guy," are used. Sounds a bit like something you'd hear in a Bar.

    I think Fox is probably slightly right-of-center editorially, which is a nice balance to CNN, which is left-of-center. The major networks fall somewhere in between the two. I work in talk radio -- I make no claim of being objective as far as the commentary goes on the station. With news events, however, I try just to report the facts. I do local news mostly, and there's not much political commentary you can put into a story on a house fire, or a fatal car accident.

    Al-Jazeera, on the other hand, goes beyond being pro-Arab. As you say, it is propaganda. That it's even mentioned as a nominee casts quite a bit of doubt on the legitimacy of the other nominations with the Webby Awards. While I did poke fun at Fox News, I am dismayed by the other nominees. Also included were PBS and BBC, which are both government broadcasters. And BBC's reputation isn't the best in the world these days, what with the issue with the gentleman who killed himself over the "sexed-up" WMD documents.

    So, register my comments in protest of the awards themselves, and the judges.

  21. Re:Al-Jazeera as a news site nominee? by Captain+DaFt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Exactly. They give one side, fox gives the other. The truth lies somewhere in between. That is why it's important to have both."

    Ummm, not quite. IMO the truth is far above the reach of either of them.

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  22. Re:Al-Jazeera as a news site nominee? by tehcyder · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I think Fox is probably slightly right-of-center editorially...which is a nice balance to CNN, which is left-of-center
    It must be true what they say about the US and the UK being divided by a common language. I would call Fox "rabidly right wing" and CNN "blandly acquiescent".

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  23. Re:Why The Onion? by Ray+Radlein · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because these are the glory days of The Onion.

    Ever since Bush came into office, the staff of The Onion have been racing desperately to keep their parody ahead of the rapidly-accelerating absurdity of American politics. The prime example of the difficulties they have to overcome is their now-legendary headline for Bush's Innagural address in January 2001: Bush: 'Our Long National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity Is Finally Over'. Reading the article today, the uncomfortable fact is that the jokes they made have basically all happened for real since then, as Dan Chak has documented. Their one concession to reality over these years was to run a completely straight article about how a muscular Austrian was running for governor of California.

    Their 9/11 issue might well have won a Pulitzer if that year's judges could have figured out what to do with it (there was a marvelous article in Editor and Publisher magazine, I think, from one of those judges recounting how they passed it around the room in stunned silence). Then there's their recent take on Condoleeza Rice's testimony before the 9/11 Commission In all of America, only Jon Stewart's Daily Show and The Onion have managed to continue to parody politics faster than it can become a parody of itself. That's no mean feat.