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Champlain College Offers Degree in Computer Game Design

sp00 writes "Computer-game-loving teens and industry professionals take note: a new Electronic Game and Interactive Development degree at Champlain College in Vermont has been unveiled. The career-oriented college will offer a bachelor's degree in this field starting in the fall, and it's the first degree of its kind in the region." While academic programs for game development aren't new, they're still far from being a standard course offering. It's cool to see that they're catching on.

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  1. Game Design is best for graduate school by Mr.+Piddle · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Seriously, while gaming can teach serious algorithms and such, it is specific enough to be harmful to all the wannabes who graduate and find that game companies have already been saturated by their classmates. Not only that, game companies are relatively rare and in relatively few cities. There just isn't that much flexibility, and the popular notion that everyone should uproot their families and move to where the money is is naive, IMO. If I grew up in Kentucky or Maine or whatever, why should I want to move to San Jose or Houston? I've heard that game companies don't pay well (supply and demand), so those plane tickets back to mama aren't going to be cheap.

    Honestly, I think Game Design degree prospects would probably be better of going into Nursing or Accounting (established relatively well-paying always-in-demand professions in every city on the planet).

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    1. Re:Game Design is best for graduate school by Stubtify · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Yes, but the skills they learn could be used to design games of their own. I mean Bejeweled has made that little company quite a few million dollars, and its not the latest and greatest in 3d gaming.

      With some vision and the needed knowelege someone in this program could go far. I understand that a degree in game design is overkill to create a game like bejeweled, but there's more to designing games than doom 3.

    2. Re:Game Design is best for graduate school by Mr.+Piddle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I mean Bejeweled has made that little company quite a few million dollars, and its not the latest and greatest in 3d gaming.

      Something as simple, elegant, and successful as Bejeweled is rare among human endeavors. Just because Donald Trump has made a little money in real estate doesn't mean that every real estate agent in the world is out to make a billion dollars. Most real estate agents are just happy to write off the milage on their Cadallac.

      Yes, it is true that with vision and knowledge a person can go far. However, the rare very successful people are the ones making big headlines on The Discovery Channel, while everyone else goes "Wow...mommy I want to be like that..." without realizing just how much sacrifice/effort/dedication it takes to really get that far. A degree never made a person successful...successful people make themselves. A degree just gets them the interview; beyond that it is a worthless piece of paper. People who think otherwise are heading for burnout and misery.

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    3. Re:Game Design is best for graduate school by Mr.+Piddle · · Score: 3, Interesting

      On the other hand, I know the military is big on hiring games theory people for their warfare sims. I don't suppose this would help in that department however unless they gave a serious background in that area.

      Again, the problem is that the number of warfare simulator developers really is quite small in the grand scheme of things. The reason I am a little peeved by all these high-profile things like game development/space missions/rock stars is that it creates a lot of wannabes to don't realize they need passion first, then smarts. A person shouldn't go into aerospace engineering, for example, if they have no first-hand experience with airplanes. Watching documentaries or reading Popular Mechanics just doesn't cut it.

      I would hope that the number of people who enroll in Game Design is a very small group of dedicated people. Unfortunately, I know that a lot of people will probably enroll...you know the Uni knows that too ($$$)..., when most of those kids really just need to get a general-purpose degree in business and go out and get a real job and raise a real family and be satisfied.

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  2. Others. by Apiakun · · Score: 2, Informative

    For those looking for other programs, the Art Institute offers a Bachelor of Science in Game Art & Design. Full Sail, in Florida, also offers a BS program.

    1. Re:Others. by BizidyDizidy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here's a column I wrote a day ago about this subject for the Stanford Daily:

      Video Game Studies

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  3. Targeted at Teens? by mahdi13 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Teens Can Now Major in Computer Game Development
    Does that mean us thirty-something people will be turned down if we apply? Sure, teens are the #1 candidates for college but the 30+ still like to continue their education...oh that's right, we are suppose to lose interest in games after 30...
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    1. Re:Targeted at Teens? by oskillator · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A 40 year old in the game industry is a very rare sight indeed. This is supposedly because people burn out on the 80 hour weeks during crunch time, which I certainly believe is common, but I have to wonder whether the industry is also biased against hiring older people.

  4. Re:Interesting by Leffe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, it would theoretically be better than something like computer science, right?

  5. Get a _real_ degree dammit! by El_Ge_Ex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Yes, now you too can earn a worthless degree in a narrow field working countless hours getting no sleep. For your first job you say? NO! That's just for your demo reel!"

    These degrees are for people to have no motivation to learn on their own time, which by the way is something every game campany looks for.

    You want to be an artist? Get an art degree. Programmer? Comp Sci. Designer? English, Business, or Management are good fields.

    Don't be a fool, GET YOUR DAMN SCHOOL!

    -B

  6. But the really annoying side of this... by dpilot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...is that they sort of leaked the information about this in mid-April, when the college selection process is supposed to be nearly done. As a result, we're thrown into another round of decision turmoil, with a deposit at one university and an acceptance at Champlain.

    It sounds as if Champlain is working with industry on this program, and will certainly do all they can to help their first graduating classes get placed. But aren't game jobs pretty much game-to-game, like the Star Trek: Elite Force 2 folks who got laid off at Raven right after the game went gold?

    How generally versatile will a game design degree be, anyway. I suspect careful choice of electives will be the key.

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  7. Re:Man by El_Ge_Ex · · Score: 3, Informative

    You want to learn about game design???

    http://www.gamedev.net
    http://www.gamasutra.com
    http://www.cgtalk.com

    Have fun, I just saved you $100k.

    -B

  8. Re:Interesting by Kyouryuu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The worst thing that can happen is that a whole new subfield of Computer Science based on game design emerges that tries to quantify everything with theory and abstract principles.

  9. Like the Degree I started by pudge_lightyear · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's really sad to see what universities and colleges are turning into. I was a major in Contemporary Music at a college in Illinois for two years. It didn't take long to find out that the only reason that they have the degree is:

    a) Get people into college that don't want to be in college because it's no fun
    b) Get people away from other colleges w/o fun degrees

    The problem is... the effects of the previous are:
    a) People who shouldn't be in college (especially a private one where I was) show up, don't want to be in class and pretty much make a separate class for themselves (the people who just don't care or want to be here)
    b) Nobody likes them because they're just there for fun
    c) They pay a lot for something that is completely worthless (except for the Liberal Arts stuff that they weren't paying attention to)
    d) There is no merit to the degree and the school is knowingly setting 99% of the students up for failure.
    e) They tend to become popular (like sports) and take away from the truly academic leanings of the school.
    f) The best and most creative get the jobs, period. It's not like teaching, where you have to have a degree to do it.

    This computer games thing is exactly the same situation. People will come to it to... Gasp... have fun... not learn... not become part of the institution... they then hurt the institution overall by lowering expectations, education levels, success rates after school, etc... but they are a big draw.

    I say... leave these things to trade schools and bring back to colleges and universities the things that make our schools the best in the world... EDUCATION!

  10. Better combinations? by Fiz+Ocelot · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I think I would favor someone who majored in something like computer science and creative writing to be better. Then you would have someone that might have some understanding of how things can be done first of all. And also have experiance in doing things in creative writing.

    I guess what I'm getting at is those are established fields offered in most universities, game design is not. However things in those fields are applicable to game design.

    And on another note, last night I was in a live internet radio discussion with a creative designer in an upcomming mmo (couple years off still). And as much as I like fantasy settings, it seems like that's just overdone these days. And yet there is yet another game with elves and dragons etc etc.