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anzha writes "This Saturday and Sunday between 9 and 6 pm at the Fort Mason Center's Festival Pavilion in San Francisco, NextFest will be taking place. Organized by Wired and sponsored by HP, The SF Chronicle, General Electric, General Motors, and many others, this is an expo on 'almost there' technologies. Ranging from [in]famous Moller aircar to a 'transparent cloak' from the Tachi Lab at Tokyo University to antibacterial powders from Canada to many, many others. Read more here."

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  1. Should be called: The VaporWare Convention by strictnein · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is what's next?
    I guess, if the nextfest.net website is anything to go by, that in the future all websites will be based solely on ultra-annoying Macromedia Flash! A page focused on this type of event should be slim and trim and have a large section devoted to easily viewable/editable/blownupable (to make bigger) pictures of every single device at this convention. Or at least has a large chunk of the site like that.

    1. Re:Should be called: The VaporWare Convention by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Vaporware Convention takes place every year, but it never happens.

    2. Re:Should be called: The VaporWare Convention by happyfrogcow · · Score: 2, Funny

      Something already has that title... it's the E3 gaming convention.

  2. Gargh by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 4, Funny

    My first thought on what this was involved Steve Jobs and black boxes!

  3. Contradiction? by Black_Logic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The raincoat-like cloak is made out of "retro-reflective'' material covered with tiny beads that reflect light back in the same direction it came.

    The cloak is designed to make whatever it is covering, a body or object, appear transparent by projecting video shot with a camera from behind the cloak onto the front of the cloak.

    Hold on a sec, these are two very different things. Are they talking about two different cloaks? If so, it's not very obvious from the article. Also, wouldn't the first cloak be a mirror, as opposed to transparent?

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    1. Re:Contradiction? by Carnildo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Oh, also, Isn't retro-reflective redundant? Doesn't reflection pretty much imply sending light back in the direction it came?

      No. Classic reflection (the sort normal mirrors do) involves light heading off in a direction other than the one it was originally going in -- "angle of incidence equals angle of reflection". Retroreflection involves things like corner mirrors and sends light back in a direction exactly opposite the one it was originally headed in.

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    2. Re:Contradiction? by nine-times · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm guessing it means that it ultimately reflects light in a way that ultimately sends it along in the direction it was going anyway- so that, although technically it's reflecting, effectively it's transparent.

  4. Was I the only one? by Serk · · Score: 4, Funny

    Was I the only one that saw the headline and immediately thought of a gathering of NeXT computer users?

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  5. I think I'll pass and by Savatte · · Score: 2, Funny

    wait for the next nextfest. The last nextfest didn't leave me looking forward to the next nextfest.

  6. Is that "next" or NeXT"? by jstave · · Score: 4, Funny

    Actually, I think its pretty funny, given that NeXT Computer played such a pivotal role in making the word "vaporware" part of the common lexicon.

  7. Flying cars, yippie by aardwolf204 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In one vision of the future, the world will have flying cars, coats that make people "transparent,'' digital cameras that translate foreign signs and robots that can attend classes for sick children.

    The exhibits include the Moller Skycar, a four-passenger vehicle from Moller International of Davis. The Jetsons-style craft is small enough to drive on the ground, but can take off vertically and fly as fast as 380 mph

    They're still promising me the flying car, spiffy.

    This thing is actually pretty cool:

    http://www.moller.com/
    the M400 Skycar can cruise comfortably at 350+ MPH and achieve up to 28 miles per gallon. Awesome.
    http://www.moller.com/skycar/

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  8. Brainball by jardin · · Score: 4, Funny

    "For fun and games, there's Brainball, which is best described as an anti- game, because the goal is to achieve nothing."

    Woohoo, I won I won! .. Ah screw it I'm going back to bed ..

  9. ahah! by abscondment · · Score: 2, Funny

    Transparent cloaks? I knew Harry Potter was real.

  10. More info by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 4, Informative
    A BBC Article on that invisibility cloak.

    Moller website.

    Links are good, people!

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  12. On the transparent cloak... by Conesus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That transparent cloak is not just for wearing!

    The inventor, Professor Susumu Tachi from Tokyo University, believes that it has practical applications that range from surgery, where the surgeon could be wearing this cloak on his hands to be able to 'see through them', to pilots who wish to be able to see the ground underneath the cockpit, for when they are landing.

    Really, the possibilities are endless. Military, Medical, Transportation, Commericial products.

    Hell, even the napkin holder could use this, so you can have a huge frivolous artsy napkin holder in the center of the table (or a center-piece, something along those lines), and be able to talk to the other person across the table as if nothing were there.

    Of course the technology has to improve until the applications become a reality, but just think what this could enable us to do!

    Conesus.

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    1. Re:On the transparent cloak... by strictnein · · Score: 2, Interesting

      to pilots who wish to be able to see the ground underneath the cockpit, for when they are landing.

      How would that work in this setup? Where would the projector go in the airplane? This "invention" isn't an invention. It just some trick photography. Why this stupid thing gets so much press is beyond me.

      And how would that be any better than a video screen showing what a small camera on the bottom of the plane is picking up? How are you going to project something onto the bottom of the cockpit? Where would that projector go? And since many (most?) military flights are now being flown at night, what exactly is this going to show?

      I think that idea is completely stupid.

  13. Here we go again... by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ultra-annoying Macromedia Flash!
    I think you mean "an ultra annoying use of Macromedia Flash." It's not the technology's fault that it is abused. In a typical month I'll see about two websites that make an inappropriate use of Flash (i.e. 'skip intro') but in a typical day I'll be bombarded by two dozen popup ads and their spawn-of-the-devil cousins the dreaded kiss-your-page-goodbye- when-you-hit-CTRL-W popunder. I see no complaints from Slashdotters about the evils of JavaScript though. Here's why.
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    1. Re:Here we go again... by happyfrogcow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      as for JavaScript, most slashdotters probably have popups blocked already. a lot of them also probably don't even bother installing Flash with firefox. i tried once, firefox slowed down considerably even on pages that don't have flash in them, and my cpu usage never went below 40% even when i wasn't doing anything. I'll blame the technology for that one.

    2. Re:Here we go again... by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > I think you mean "an ultra annoying use of Macromedia Flash."

      Unlike, for instance, Homestar Runner.

    3. Re:Here we go again... by abscondment · · Score: 3, Informative

      Flash sucks because it isn't standards compliant.
      Websites that use flash navigation and provide no text alternative are totally unusable by my blind friend. Text -> Speech converters can't touch them.

      Then again, you're probably right that most /.ers dislike it for other reasons. I mean, Slashdot does have a good 170 HTML errors. Even Microsoft beats that (although only by 4).

    4. Re:Here we go again... by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 2
      I see no complaints from Slashdotters about the evils of JavaScript though.
      Having JavaScript enabled gives attackers one more potential security hole.
      How's that?

      JavaScript and Flash can both be turned off.
      IMO, any web site that does not allow you to navigate with all of that crap turned off is not worth visiting.
      And I have all of that crap turned off.
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  14. It looks cool, but... by CatLord42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They're trying to make it a future-tech world's fair event, but looking at the event website, it looks more like demos and marketing. Although it does look really cool, it's not cool enough for me to pay to see their advertisements!

    Sorry, but I'm not paying $15/person/day (even if there's really only one day's worth of stuff according to the schedule), to see a bunch of companies throw their future-tech marketing at me. It doesn't seem that cool (and yes, I live in the area, so I could go, and I'm employed, so I could afford to go).

    But then, maybe I'm just in a bad mood.

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  15. It will be awful by Tarantolato · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First of all, the site has a Flash intro that's more epilepsy-inducing than the latest Japanese cartoon craze.

    Second of all, it's sponsored by Wired. I remember picking up one of the early issues and there was all this stuff about VR. If this were the early 90's, VR would be all over NextFest or whatever it's called.

    Anyways, it sounded like a cool idea and all until the inventor dude talked about the actual applications. He had had a party the last night, and everyone had to pretend they were lobsters. They wore the low-res headsets and had to use the special gloves to make pincer movements with their hands.

    It was then that I concluded that VR wasn't what it promised to be. Also that Wired was basically a newer Omni, but without the virtue of being published by a pr0n baron.

  16. It's a Scam by ewhac · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Moller's been been taking investors' money for decades, and has exactly squat to show for it. Credible aerospace engineers say that, unless Moller's invented a radically new, ultra-compact engine, there's no way you can move enough air mass to actually lift the thing.

    The spiffy model on the showroom floor is nothing more than a stage prop. It doesn't fly, it never did, and it probably never will.

    Schwab

    1. Re:It's a Scam by funny-jack · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's worse, is that there are still people who haven't heard of this thing, and learned long ago that it's all hot air. For goodness' sake, I read about these when I was 10. I'm 24 now. I gave up hope in these things years ago, and so should all of you.

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    2. Re:It's a Scam by hambonewilkins · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've seen video on a show of it doing a tethered flight... it's real. How much more than a tethered flight is yet to be seen.

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    3. Re:It's a Scam by Rei · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They've not only done tethered flight tests, they've done tethered flight tests out of ground effect. Not only do they have pictures, they have videos. They not only have Aerobots (similar tech), they've already sold some which are in use.

      Accept it. The thing is real. You can argue about stability, you can argue about fuel effiency, you can argue about a whole bunch of things (especially their overly optimistic scheduling!), but the fact remains that even with only partially-outputting engines, they got cleanly and smoothly out of ground effect. They're building a free flight range right now and fitting the skycar with its 8 full-power engines.

      Most of the tech seems solid. The engines for the skycar already exist, and they're quite powerful for their weight while still being efficient. If the segway can keep a person balanced and a rocket can keep itself oriented correctly through gimballing of thrust, there should be no problem keeping the skycar level even in turbulence through computer controlled thrust vectoring. Etc.

      While it is no easy task, and I doubt their mass production cost estimate will ever reach fruition (having it instead be both a "rich kid's toy" and an intra-regional taxi to get people from small airports to big hubs), the tech is solid, and they've made some serious progress.

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    4. Re:It's a Scam by infowantsto · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you watch the 2003 video clips, you'll notice that while the aircar appears to have 'some' thrust, the tether reaching up to the crane not shown is taut the entire time, and the vehicle swings back and forth. It appears that they're getting the stabilization issue down, but have a bit of work to do on the thrust aspect of the project (still).

  17. Non-corporate innovation by overloadhz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Each day. Around the world. The future is born.

    While NextFest seems to showcase some cool stuff, it does not seem to highlight the innovative underpinnings to these gadgets, which are often created/discovered by individuals, independent groups and academics. The science behind the gadgetry (i.e. The Robotics Institute) is often more interesting, IMHO.

    While I know that's not the purpose of NextFest, it's just interesting to me to think that "the future is born" of smart individuals collaborating (obvious example == F/OSS), not necessarily from "leading visionary companies".

  18. Optical Camouflage by shish · · Score: 3, Interesting
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  19. Ummm by nizo · · Score: 4, Funny
    Other health-related technology on display will include an antibacterial powder developed at the University of Alberta that, when sprinkled on food, can block the harmful effects of bacteria.

    Like digestion for example???

  20. Brainball by nizo · · Score: 2, Funny
    The object of the game is to move the ball into an opponent's goal area, but the more relaxed a player is, the more he or she controls the ball.

    The only game known to mankind that you play better after you die.

  21. BlehFest by ddtstudio · · Score: 3, Informative

    Took a quick swing by Fort Mason (the location) and saw some vendor trucks, but also saw the floor space being curtained off -- not a good sign for attendance, either by exhibitors or by teh curious. Of course, this is sponsored by Wired, the magazine for people who think they're cool because they read Wired.

    Not bitter, just tired of it.

  22. It's meant to be "out there" by LeiGong · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To all of the posters that are critisizing the expo as a vapor-fest, I say to you, why not let your imagination run wild? Decades ago we had Worlds Fair and the famous Futurama in New York. People were left in awe of possible future technologies that improve quality of life. People came back wide eyed and filled with imagination. The closest thing I experienced to something like this today was a showcase at Disney Expo 12 years ago when I was 10... It had on display futuristic cars and possible technologies that openned my youthful imagination. It made a big impact on me and got me interested in technology. I hear people complain about the lack of innovation today and I'm personally disappointed at the lack of creativity in a lot of industries. In the 40s and 50s people got to see glimpses of the future presented by GE and Ford where everything is automated. People were happy and it gave them something worthwhile to look forward to. It gave us faith in technology. We have nothing like this today. I for one welcome conventions that inspire us, especially at a time when the future looks so bleak. Sure, it's funded by big corporations but so were the World Fairs in the past and they turned out great!

  23. It's not a scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Moller's been been taking investors' money for decades, and has exactly squat to show for it.

    It's true that he has been taking money from investors for decades, but he's been pouring his own money into it as well. He made about $20 million from real estate investment and millions more from his invention of the SuperTrapp muffler. He invested that in his company. So while it's true that he has been taking money from others, he hasn't been getting rich from it, as the word "scam" implies.

    Credible aerospace engineers say that, unless Moller's invented a radically new, ultra-compact engine, there's no way you can move enough air mass to actually lift the thing.

    Dr. Moller is a credible aerospace engineer. He is the started the Department of Mechanical and Aeronautical Engineering at UC Davis. And he has invented a new type of engine for the SkyCar.

    The spiffy model on the showroom floor is nothing more than a stage prop. It doesn't fly, it never did, and it probably never will.

    As someone else pointed out, there have been tethered tests that have shown that the thing can at least hover.

    Don't get me wrong. I think that Moller's claims are continually over-optimistic, even to the point that he got in trouble with the SEC for misleading investors. He's been over-promising and under-delivering for decades. But he has made slow, painful progress, and I've seen every indication that he really does believe in what he's doing.

    To call it a scam is completely unfair.

    1. Re:It's not a scam by zeno_2 · · Score: 2, Informative
      And he has invented a new type of engine for the SkyCar.

      Ahh.. so, taking an existing engine type (Wankel rotary engine) and improving it a bit is now called, "inventing a new type of engine". I'm sorry but that type of engine has been around for 50 years..

      In any case I hope he succeeds, it sure looks like it would be fun to drive, or fly, or whatever..

  24. Keep Time in Mind-The Future Sucks by Chagatai · · Score: 4, Interesting
    While I agree with the parent poster's statement that seeing such stuff inspires the imagination, keep in mind the world in which Disney presented things.

    People who were living during the 1950s and 1960s saw advances that would have been considered acts of magic fifty years before; if someone from the 1890s or 1900s were transported into the 60s, they would have been totally caught off-guard. Vehicles that could allow you to travel on any road at 55 mph? Devices that allow you to see and hear images of people thousands of miles away? A large tower that could put someone on the moon? It would be a fantasy world.

    Now, take someone from the 1950s or 1960s and put them into the current 21st century. Imagine this conversation:

    "So, do you have your hovercar now?"
    No, but now we have cars that can run on electricity, some of the time!
    "Well, how about the Moon or Mars? Do you have friends who live on bases up there?"
    No, we went to the moon a few times with a couple dozen people, and that was it. We have had a couple of space stations, but only one is left because the others crashed after funding was cut.
    "What about diseases? Have you cured cancer?"
    No, we have had some progress, but there are some even worse diseases now.
    "Is there any new technology that is actually good, then?! Jetpacks? Super-buildings? Contact with aliens?"
    Well, we did shrink the size of computers and made them hundreds of times faster, and anyone can communicate with anyone else in the world real-time. We can store large quantities of data on small disks. Here, check this out...
    (The computer accidentally gets rerouted to Goatse.)
    "AAUAAUAGGHHH! My word, what is wrong with that man's bottom?"

    Face it, the future largely sucks. I want my hovcercraft.

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  25. Re:invisisble cloak by Rei · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... not unless they want to carry projectors in front of themselves, and know that their enemies are going to be in one specific direction, and don't mind low quality images... (etc)

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  26. It's what WE make it. by MrChuck · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I still have my NeXTSlab and ColorCube - both working thank you. And running NeXTStep 3.3 thanks to their Y2K free OS CD to keep my machine ticking into the new millenium.

    Yeah baby: 33 and 40Mhz of pure power . With that "mainframe on a chip" Digital Signal Processor.

    Ok, one of the NeXTs has booted open source, but then I figured why run NeXT if not for the OS?

    So lets all show up with our NeXT slabs under our arms and start a commotion!

  27. What is this, bash Moller day? by Gldm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah ok Moller has been promising the moon for ages and hasn't delivered yet. But at least he's Doing Something (TM). You can see prototypes, I've seen the video of the tethered flight. How many of you people bitching about his lack of progress have a flying car doing test flights in your back yard? Anyone? Until someone else shows me at least the same amount of progress he has you can shut up.

    As for the transparent cloak... it's spiffy yes. All you need is a visible camera behind you and a visible projector in front of you and you can be invisible to people who can't spot cameras or projectors and come at you from one direction. Yay.

    You know what I want to see? I want to see a PDA that doesn't suck i.e. lack a HD, or wireles connection, or ability to run mainstream software. I want to see an OS that can be both stable and play the latest games without screwing around with drivers and compiling shit all day or getting "Well it plays MOST games under emulation, except the ones YOU want." I want to see a broadband connection at a reasonable price that doesn't have shitty upstream or fulltime forced NAT or get capped as soon as you actually use the damn thing. Why doesn't anyone invent any of that stuff?

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  28. Re:It's a Scam - Is it really? by turgid · · Score: 3, Informative
    Credible aerospace engineers say that, unless Moller's invented a radically new, ultra-compact engine, there's no way you can move enough air mass to actually lift the thing.

    It's called a Wankel engine and is conventiently ignored by the majority of engineers because they remember the engine sealing problems with the early NSU Ro80 in the late 60's that almost bankrupted them.

    Talk to most people about the Wankel engine and the chances are they've never heard of it. Many engineers laugh when you mention it, because they remember 1967 and haven't heard of all the developments since then. My old (1983) Mazda RX7 did 127000+ miles before the engine wore out.

    The spiffy model on the showroom floor is nothing more than a stage prop. It doesn't fly, it never did, and it probably never will.

    Unless the man is a bare-faced lier, you can find out all sorts of things about it at moller.com.

    Need I remind you that VTOL aeroplanes have been built before (albeit with jet engines).