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FCC Plans to Allow Wireless Networking on Unused TV Channels

RKBA writes "Federal regulators have endorsed a plan to use vacant TV bandwidth for wireless Internet connections. Federal Communications Commission Chairman Michael Powell says it would 'dramatically increase' the availability and quality of wireless Internet connections -- especially for people in rural areas. Powell says it would be like 'doubling the number of lanes on a congested highway.' But TV broadcasters oppose the proposal. They argue that it would interfere with over-the-air television signals for millions of people. The FCC commissioners voted unanimously to begin the lengthy rulemaking process for the plan."

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  1. FCC: Government actually working right? by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anybody who says that Michael Powell is in the pocket of the broadcasters or any other major company doesn't know what they're talking about, and this is the proof for anybody who doubts that.

    The FCC is actively looking to recycle frequency space for bandwidth wherever possible. I'm not even sure this is a workable solution... but just the fact that they're even going to open hearings about it is good for the masses.

    1. Re:FCC: Government actually working right? by mrpuffypants · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, and loosening the rules on media conglomerates was a great, public-focused policy decision. Thanks Mike!

    2. Re:FCC: Government actually working right? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course it's working right: to get Bush reelected. That's why the FCC is starting a lengthy process as the 2004 election heats up, when Bush's ratings are at their lowest - lower than any reelected president has ever beat. Think the FCC has reprioritized consumers over official publishers now, 90% of the way through Bush's otherwise rapacious term? At best, these rules will arrive in time to offer the incumbent mediocracy some free, valuable public airwaves realestate to mine with high-power WiMAX, in a couple of years. More likely, it will go nowhere, except to the PR machine, like Bush's Mars mission.

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    3. Re:FCC: Government actually working right? by DAldredge · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You do understand that Bush and his people have been in office for more than 3 years and haven't done a damn thing to change it. Isn't it funny how most of the things the GOP complained about clinton doing they haven't done a damn thing to change.

      Why is that?

    4. Re:FCC: Government actually working right? by Rayonic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who says the GOP complained about Clinton's loosening of the FCC rules? Certain things do have bipartisan support, you know. (Offtopic: Just like when both parties teamed up to shoot down the Kyoto protocol.)

    5. Re:FCC: Government actually working right? by Triumph+The+Insult+C · · Score: 5, Insightful

      1600+ Stern fans, including myself have complained.

      however, the FCC says (not verbatim) they can't fine Oprah because people like her, but they can fine Howard because he is a lightning rod.

      i am more of the opinion that Stern's problem with the FCC has nothing to do with indecency and is instead, politically motivated. my .sig says what i have to think about the subject

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    6. Re:FCC: Government actually working right? by cygnus · · Score: 2, Insightful
      um, the whole point of giving the broadcast industry wide ranges of spectrum for HDTV without any fee was that they were supposed to vacate the normal TV spectrum by a certain deadline. that deadline has passed more than twice now.

      michael powell is in the pocket of the broadcasters and other major companies.

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    7. Re:FCC: Government actually working right? by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, those deadlines also had a component of minimum addoption of at least digital TV decoding by most viewers. That just hasn't happened...

    8. Re:FCC: Government actually working right? by cygnus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      well, that's a chicken and egg kind of problem, but the point is that the FCC licensed away all that spectrum *for free* and hasn't bothered to coerce the industry to fulfill their end of the bargain... in theory, that's the citizen's spectrum that they're using.

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    9. Re:FCC: Government actually working right? by Babbster · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Chalking this up to a PR conspiracy is, oddly, naive. Wireless broadband is something only nerds care deeply about - a small subset of nerds at that. The rest of the population is mostly content with dial-up, and those who aren't (at least in large population centers) can already get broadband at home via wires.

      Now, it's POSSIBLE (though still on the paranoid side) that the FCC has some potential internet-supplying customers for those frequencies and is currying favor with those companies for campaign contributions, but this isn't an issue on which any large number of people will base their votes.

      I think the FCC should take as long as they want on this issue. When it comes it'll be nice, but until then I don't really need to have my e-mail and Slashdot headlines available to me everywhere.

    10. Re:FCC: Government actually working right? by Mr.+No+Skills · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Anybody who says that Michael Powell is in the pocket of the broadcasters or any other major company doesn't know what they're talking about, and this is the proof for anybody who doubts that.

      He's giving away spectrum that is going to be given away anyway as digital TV comes on-line. This is an example of him being in the pocket of telcos/ISPs.

      The FCC seems to have long ago ignored its mission to make sure that spectrum is protected for all public use, and instead has shifted into a mode of giving it to those that are politically connected. And it started before Powell and will continue after him. There's way too much money at stake for a limited resource.

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  2. More like... by SCSi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'doubling the number of lanes on a congested highway.'

    More like putting a bike lane between two lanes of freeway.

  3. Re:Access in rural areas!? by Radi-0-head · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And maybe Billy Bob from BFE wouldn't be such a dumbass if he had access to the wealth of knowledge and information (not to mention loads of porn) that are available on the Internet.

    If some bombed-out city in Iraq can get Internet access, Billy Bob should have it too.

  4. Re:Access in rural areas!? by Ensign+Regis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's fairly elitist, and not a very good proposition anyway. How does that work, exactly? Universities say, "Oh, Billy Bob is here, we'd better shut down our website!"

    If anything, the internet is being dumbed down by l33t gamers more than by country folk.

  5. Re:Vacancy by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With all the daytime talk shows and nighttime reality shows on now, I'd say that all channels are vacant.

    I'd especially argue that there are certain religious broadcasters who are putting out such unwatchable programs that I doubt the people who are paying for the operation are even watching. I'm not against such operations on religious principal, but the idea that if nobody is watching, you're wasting the bandwidth.

    There should be a minimum standard that should be attained by all TV stations for a signon-to-signoff ratings average. Even a religious or shopping program can survive, but there has to be at least some interest in the community in order for the station to keep on the air.

  6. Not surprising... by leshert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The broadcast media industry have a history of opposing technology that has a hair of a chance of affecting their signal--whether or not the science is on their side.

    For example, the National Associaton of Broadcasters (and even National Public Radio) opposed extending licenses for low-power radio on the grounds that it would interfere with existing licensed signal--even though most people who really understand this know that it's not the case.

    The real issue in these cases is usually not technical--it's about control over the airwaves.

  7. Loose cannon by Ice+Station+Zebra · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Fist BPL, now this. The people in Washington are just loose cannons. None of these people understand the engineering behind the decisions they are making and therefore their decisions make know sense. This is only going to create chaos in the RF spectrum and it is going to lead too chaos in the market place. Imagine this. You buy brand X wireless router, but it doesn't work. Your friend's in the next state say, it works fine for us. Best buy has mass returns for particular routers in particular cities. Why? Because brand X is close in frequency to the 1MW erp HDTV broadcast transmitter and it's IF on a chip can't handle the overload. Lets have some discipline folks. This so called broadband uber alles is not going to be pretty.

    1. Re:Loose cannon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, because we all know how difficult it is to plant a variable tuner into both the receive and transmit path (rolls eyes).

      The receiver tuner in a TV is probably a $3 part. Putting a tuner in the transmit path can probably be accomplished by a $20 DSP part these days.

      I mean, it's not like the 802.11a/g standards haven't already had to deal with this, right? A/g cards sold in different countries run over different channels controlled by an onboard software radio.

  8. Re:Makes sense... UHF offers 420 MHz of space by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    UHF covers a massive chunk of spectrum -- from 470 MHz to 890 MHz. Even if you carve out some 18 MHz notches for local UHF channels, you still have hundreds of MHz of usable spectrum. And in rural areas, the full 420 band could be used for some serious wireless networking. With good compression/encoding and high enough SNR, multigigabit wireless might be possible.

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  9. Good start by penguinoid · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Using unused channels is great, but I would much rather have an ultra-fast internet connection and download movies when I want them.

    I don't know wether this is even technologically feasable (maybe have bittorent help out?), but it's not going to happen -- if it did, it would mark the end of TV commercials, and we don't want to see those go away, do we now?

    I can still wish, though.

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  10. Re:Vacancy by tomstdenis · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's called ratings. People see low ratings they don't buy advertising during your show. That means the TV network won't want to carry your show.

    In the end most [really] bad shows work themselves off the air quickly. The other 95% of quality made low story-content shows [re: friends, seinfeld, etc...] linger on forever...

    Which begs another question, what lets you decide what is a "good" use of spectrum? Lots of people watch Friends but I still think it's a cliche tired boring pathetic wannabe comedy [I'd rather watch "family matters"]. ;-)

    Tom

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  11. But wouldn't wireless broadband be really cheap? by Cryofan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know much about networking (so much for my CS degree...), but wouldn't wireless broadband mean much cheaper broadband?

    And if so wouldn't that mean that many more people be exposed to the egalitarian influence of the internet? I mean, tell me which has a greater range of political expression--the Internet, or broadcast TV? I say if we can get cheap broadband, then KILL broadcast TV. Broadcast TV is the most elite media of all, in many ways; meaning that it represents Big Money and so therefore propagates status quo memes....

    With cheap broadband and cheap LCD computing devices, radical activists would be able to distribute their movies far more easily and widely. Visual media is the best way to propagate memes...

    I guess it comes down to whether taking over the TV spectrum for broadband would insure cheaper broadband. Would it?

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  12. Re:Vacancy by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unfortunately, these religious outfits are existing by renting an entire broadcast day of a station, or just buying the station outright. They're forever money-losing operations being funded by religous groups that rely on donations.

    No ammount of low ratings can presently shut them down.

  13. Feed a starving Internet habit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "I guess it comes down to whether taking over the TV spectrum for broadband would insure cheaper broadband. Would it?"

    Has granting right of ways to cable companies made cable TV, and Internet cheaper?

    Has granting a near monopoly on telephones wires, meant a cheap DSL.

    Hint for both cases, to a certain degree compared to what has come before, but the really cheap has been because of DBS (vs Cable TV, and the change of rules), and in the second because of competition against cable internet, and the failure of ISDN.

    In other words cheaper broadband will come about because of competition. Were's the competition against wireless internet in rural areas? Certainly not satellite. So it's cheaper than what is, or could have been. But not as cheap as people will want, but what the companies can get out of people without a revolt.

  14. Re:AM Radio Spectrum by mla_anderson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's actually not that much, a little more than 1MHz. That'll do about 500kb, or 250kb each way. And that's only if you use the entire spectrum for one connection.

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  15. Re:A full redesign is in need by nick0909 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree the dynamic assigning of frequencies could be quite useful. Right now the system is setup akin to a company buying an entire road and then using it 30% of the time, meanwhile people that didn't pony up the money or have their roads jammed full just sit and look at all the open space they can't use one over.

    Problem is, once you start dynamically assigning frequencies, who is to say which user is the highest importance? Every industry will yell they should be higher than everyone else. Also, it requires all the radios to play very nice and move over when someone else comes in. Trunking systems are a start, but anyone that has used one knows they are not as reliable as some would hope, and they are hell for interoperability (note: that is the DHS buzzword of the year).

    The software defined radio should help a ton in getting this efficient method of frequency use into the mainstream, and they are still a few years off. Some people argue bandwidth is nearly infinite and people aughta just shut up about it... I ask them to try to use a 5GHz radio to talk out of a mountainous area or beam a microwave link using 5MHz. There always will be frequencies "worth" more than others, and the fights over them will always exist.