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Cell Phone Jammers: Coming To An Event Near You?

DarwinDan writes "The L.A. Daily News has an article about Cell phone jamming to prevent terrorists from detonating bombs remotely. Jamming technology is already being used "to protect President Bush." An interesting quote from the article: "Public safety is more important than public convenience.""

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  1. "Convenience" versus safety by JessLeah · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A wise man once said "Those who would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."...

    Of course, it's only arguable that cell phone usage is an "essential liberty", but then again you can argue just about anything on the Internet ;)

    1. Re:"Convenience" versus safety by 3Suns · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The problem is in the precedent it sets. Once the public gets used to cellphone "dead zones", people will start using jammers in other areas for other reasons. How about at a movie theatre or concert? A fancy restaurant?

      Another jamming cellphones doesn't just cause a problem by preventing citizens from dialing 911. Many public safety personnell, like detectives, part-time police, and firefighters are on call for duty via their cellphones or pagers. What happens if they can't be contacted in an emergency?

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    2. Re:"Convenience" versus safety by surprise_audit · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The police have this nifty gadget called a radio..
      Which raises an interesting point - is this a broad spectrum jammer, or just cellphones?? You can get:

      1) low power walkie-talkies in Walmart for a few bucks. Range is maybe 100 yards, which would be enough.
      2) radio control for model aircraft. Range is 1/2 mile or more and it would be really easy to make a servo operate a switch.
      3) it really isn't very difficult to make a spark-gap transmitter, with a wide-spectrum frequency range.

      Any of those would be sufficient to remotely trigger an explosive device. And over at Scitoys.com there's a very simple design for a laser communicator made from a laser pointer and a solar cell...

    3. Re:"Convenience" versus safety by gte910h · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While I see a LAW saying cell jammers in theatres as being bad, I see the ABILITY for movie operators to put them in as a good thing. I think letting people decide if they'd like interuption free movies by picking which chain they'd like to go to would be an excellent decision to be made by a market. And if there is a small niche that likes one over the other, smaller chains or certain theatres can do the thing lesser people prefer.

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    4. Re:"Convenience" versus safety by Omestes · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sometimes I wonder if censoring objectionable material might not be a good idea. Too much trash, to much noise, not enough content. But then again I would ban reality television too. People should look at how well we are doing in trashing our society, breeding a race of ADHD idiots. I digress.

      I never claimed a right, but common good graces, respect for your fellow man. Being that people lack manners, they should be enforced. When I go to a good resturant, a movie, the theater, or classes, I'm paying good money for a certain experience, and quiet has a lot to do with this. When I go to a semi-upscale resturant I'm not expecting the noise I would get at Denny's or Chucky Cheese, I expect good service, and a nice quiet enviroment. When I go to a theater I expect some peace and quiet in which to enjoy a movie. When I pay hundreds of dollars for an education, I expect classrooms free of distractions. If you NEED a cellphone (which a VERY small percentage of people do), then stay away from places where they are jammed. If your not polite enough to turn them off, I see nothing wrong with turning them off for you, just to preserve the enviroment that my customers paid for.

      People can use those things where ever they want, and I have the RIGHT then to annoy them as well (I've been yelled at for contributing to peoples cell conversations before, or making too much noise, OUTDOORS, and interupting their calls), I generally choose not to, since I beleive in being polite.

      Fineing doesn't work as well, since some people really do forget to turn off those damned things, which is understandable.

      But then again I am an elitest, who despised gadgetitus. People should look at the social consiquences of their actions, and superflous gadgets.

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  2. What about 911? by MKalus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Isn't THAT safety as well?

    Besides, if someone wants to detonate a bomb they will find a way, and if they have to press the button themselves.

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  3. I can picture it now... by adam+mcmaster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Oh my! That looks like a bomb! I'd better call 911...wait, why isn't my phone working?!"
    ...Followed by an explosion a few minutes later.

  4. IANA US Citizen, but... by Chalybeous · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... aren't there laws (or doesn't the FCC have mandates enforceable by law) against this kind of deliberate interference with communications systems?

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  5. How terrorists will respond to this by DrXym · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Change code from:

    IF kaboomSignal THEN
    blowup
    ENDIF

    To:

    IF NOT dontKaboomSignal THEN
    blowup
    ENDIF

  6. yeah, and does this jammer by way2trivial · · Score: 3, Interesting
    block pager frequencies?

    walkie talker freqs (49 mhz)

    block fm radios?

    block am radios?

    block ham radio?
    block light?

    unless it's a faraday field in a box, part of the EM spectrum will get through... boom

    to paraphrase lelo, bada boom..

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  7. Yeah, that's great. by Limecron · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So instead, they'll just detonate the bomb when there's an excessive amount interference.

    I wonder if they jam pager frequencies as well? Pagers seem like they'd be a much more sensible choice. Much longer battery life, coverage is EVERYWHERE, and they don't broadcast a traceable signal.

    I love how the goverment spends my money on useless crap instead of trying to make fewer enemies by not being so heavy-handed with the rest of the world.

  8. Re:really safer? by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'll bet many of the survivors of Sept. 11 2001 made it through because of cell phone communications.

    I doubt it. From what I remember, all the lines were clogged. It may have saved a few people but most of it was people trying to call relatives.

  9. High schools use these by bishiraver · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A high school near my home, which a friend of mine used to attend, used some kind of cell phone jammer because of the issues they were having with students answering phones during class time. It was rather annoying when I needed to use my cell phone on their campus at an after school function (awards ceremony).

  10. Re:What about the other frequencies? by PhotoBoy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What about the radio frequency that the president's body guards would be using to communicate with each other? I doubt they'd block that so there's a handy frequency to use right there.

  11. Re:really safer? by betelgeuse-4 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    An explosion at a Glasgow factory last week caused the building to collapse, and some of the people trapped inside managed to contact the emergency services by cell phone, making them easier to locate. There hasn't been any suggestion that terrorists caused the explosion, but if a jammer had been in place and had survived the explosion, more people may have died.

  12. Re:What about the other frequencies? by phiz187 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No, that is a silly assumption. Detonators don't listen for simply a signal on a frequency. The need some kind of keyed code.... -PHiZ

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  13. Re:Another act in "security theater" by The+FooMiester · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Agreed. "Security theater" indeed. This is because there isn't much the government can do to stop terrorism. The "War on Terror" is fuzzier than the "War on Drugs", because terrorism is more dynamic a concept.

    And yes, creating a radio controlled detonator is pretty easy.

    If they're doing cellphone jamming, it'll actually make detonators more reliable on other frequencies. There won't be that RF burst when a call is taken and the mic on the phone is opened. Which means less premature explosions.

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  14. Other techniques that may work by xyote · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Ringing cell phones as they enter or are turned on in a security zone. Having a bomb blow up as you try to activate it tends to discourage that kind of activity.

    Of course, bomb makers could just put in a manual switch in series with the ringer detonation circuit to wait until the ring before activating that part of the mechanism. Unless there was some kind of random delay before the ring and/or a second ring at random. Add in unpreditability so safetly activating the detonation mechanism becomes unsafe.

    Other things to do would be to make the ring circuit only work if the correct impedence was detected. You could get around that but then making bomb denotators would not be an off the shelf solution.

  15. Also used for silencing theatres and such by rastakid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I read a while ago about this technique also being used to switch off mobile phones in places like theatres, cinema's and churches. So, it has yet another 'feature' for the public.
    I don't want to be interrupted by a ringtone while watching Van Helsing, but I think switching my Nokia to 'silence' enables this far enough, I don't need help from others silencing my cellphone.

    1. Re:Also used for silencing theatres and such by Omestes · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, people can silence their cellphones, but how often do they remember to do so? Some girl in one of my classes NEVER silenced her phone, not even during finals, when she got hurt that the professor would not let her leave the room to answer her phone. Last week I was in a court room and some guys phone rang, he hurridly turned it off. People are so attached to these things that they never even think to silence them.

      I had a job where I needed a cellphone, but I ditched the damn thing the second I quit the job, and refuse to own one ever again. I never remembered to pull it out, and turn in off either, so I can't blaim these people. I hate cellphones, so I'm 'slightly' biased here. I don't think that they are conductive to public health, public mental health, or intellectual clarity. That and the idea of always being chained kinda gets me, when I'm away from my phone, I'm away from my phone, if you need to talk to me, WAIT. I digress.

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  16. No RF Needed by faqmaster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The cell phones used in the Madrid bobmings were used for their timers. That's why they found one undetonated bomb, the clock read PM instead of AM. None of the bombs were detonated via recieving a call.

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  17. Rather tha Jamming: by R.Caley · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I read, I think in New Scientist, a proposal that rather than jam the wavelengths, the correct thing to do is set up a local cell which is strong enough to make all the cellphopnes in the area bind to it.

    Eg in a theatre, the cell could act as a normal relay outside performance times, but suddenly become a black hole when the performance starts. (obviously it has to pretend still to be working, or the phones will just use another cell)

    Such a system could allow emergency calls while blocking anything else.

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  18. Greater risk still by h00dLuM · · Score: 2, Interesting
    3) Victims calling home and spilling the beans before the media can properly spin it.

    When catastrophes occur, there will be an info blackout around the affected area until the facts can be cleaned. Victims with (camera) phones must scare the hell out of our keepers.

  19. Re: Theatre usage by lxt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As I've posted on a similar topic a while back, there are commercial devices available for usage in theatres / cinemas that although don't jam cellphones, do detect them. They basically play a loud noise (typically a really annoying voice saying "Please switch off your cellphone"), until they detect no more signals.