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CmdrTaco
on from the stress-those-pipes dept.
mkool writes "Exactly on schedule.
Fedora Core 2 is now officially available from Red Hat and at distinguished mirror sites near you, and is also available in the torrent."
A caring soul may have ported some of these RPMs to Fedora Legacy. But upgrading from official release to official release should be supported*. It's just upgrading to/from beta releases and rawhide which is not supported.
* - technically there is no 'official' support from Red Hat for Fedora. But the fedora-list and fedora-test-list mailing lists, as well as bugzilla.redhat.com will get you direct contact with the Red Hat engineers who will gladly help out.
Bench marks? Reliability?
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www.sorehands.com
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Have there been benchmarks done between Federora and RH 8/9? Is so, where are they? How is reliability as compared to RH 8/9?
The key question is why switch if it is working? And if there is something worthwile, how long should one wait (when things are considered stable) until they switch?
Mod story +1 Funny
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menscher
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mkool writes "Exactly on schedule.
Yes, exactly on schedule. Right. Did you not notice that their schedule was revised about 5 times along the way? I remember the release date being for May 3 at one point.
Or perhaps this was a subtle attempt at humor?
That said, I'm really looking forward to trying it out. It's a real mess trying to decide between RH9+legacy, FC1, FC2, RHEL, and WhiteBox. Oh, how I long for the simple days of RH9!
Re:What's new?
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TheRaven64
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2.6.5 kernel. Not sure about the rest. Oh, and don't install it (dual boot) on a machine running Windows XP without a full backup, since it has been known to make XP unbootable without wiping the partition table and starting again. This problem is being investigated, and there's a fairly active flamewar on the fedora-test list about it.
How reliable is Bittorrent?
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RichiP
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my bittorrent download of the leak a few days ago kept going up and down. Sometimes I'd kill -9 the python process. I'm just wondering if there's a chance I might have corrupted my copy in this way (it's still downloading so i can't MD5SUM it). Also, if one of the machines on the bittorrent network have a corrupted copy, how will this affect others downloading it? Are there partial checksums?
getting around the IP blocks
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novakane007
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I know there is are several commonly used tools that are ommited from fedora to avoid the IP issues. playing DVDs, Samba and a couple of others. Does anyone have a link to howto on what needs to be installed after the install to make it a regular useful distro?
I have never had as many problems getting a linux ditro running on my machine as I have with the Fedora series (I'm running Fedora core 2 pre-3 or whatever it was.) OK, maybe back in the 1.2.13 kernel days it was a bit more difficult, but given how far things have come, I really think Fedora is moving in the opposite direction in terms of Penguiny-goodness.
My biggest problem has been getting GRUB to boot my OSes correctly. I have one of those bugy BIOSes that necessitates some configuration magic when installing GRUB. Knoppix had no problem with this. Fedora, even though it is supposed to be a cinch to install, caused me to go two weeks without both my OSes booting correctly. This may just be a GRUB thing, but if you're creating a distribution, you're graded on the quality of those things that you choose to include.
Next up is the up2date thing. I've lived in RPM hell since the Redhat 4.0 days, and I'm not really sure why I still endure it. By now, the fact that I still can't get a DVD or MP3 player installed with a simple command line statement or GUI tool is simply absurd. It's generally a multistep proecess: download foo-3.3-2.rpm for five minutes, try to install it to find out it depends on bar-1.2-3.rpm, so I download that for another five minutes, try to install that to find that baz-0.2-23-monkeychowder.rpm depends on bar-1.2-2.rpm and that by installing anything more recent, I'm just screwed. Am I the only person that finds this completely unacceptable?
And I could go on. Still, I'm planning on going home tonight and torrenting the new ISO, apparently because I like pain (acquired and accustomed to over the course of 10 years of using linux...).
many of those reasons are also why many Linux User Groups has started reccomending that new users do NOT touch fedora and they have even stopped supporting it as a group replaced with Mandrake or SuSE instead.
Fedora is having a rough time making the transition from redhat control to an open/free project.
I'm waiting for Fedora core 4 or 5 befoer rthey sort out all the problems they are having... BTW, the installer STILL borks on some ATI mobility chipsets in laptops causing massive artifacting problems... Mandrake and others don't show this problems so it is a Fedora specific problem.
as for the major XP hosing bug, they really need to put up warnings about it all over the place. we had at least one users in the LUG ask for help as he hosed the entire XP install on his machine because of it. (I assumed it was a feature:-)
Fedora will hopefully come around, it's just having lots of growing and management pains right now.
-- Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Re:very useful
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TheRaven64
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Every single byte in a file affects the MD5Sum, making it very difficult to modify a file and have the MD5Sum remain constant. This is even more difficult if you want to include something specific in the file (like a trojan), since you would need some garbage to compensate (and a nice big supercomputer to work out exactly what that garbage should be). On the other hand, perhaps you have a simple way of doing it. If so, perhaps you could give me a string (of any length) which matches the following MD5Sum:
No kernel 2.6 before RHEL4 (2005)
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Erik_
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No kernel 2.6 before RHEL4 (2005)
Re:Two things worth noting....
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Thagg
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The 4KSTACK change is inevitable, unstoppable, and also foreshowed long in advance. There are too many benefits, especially when running large numbers of threads.
NVidia will release a new driver compatible with 4KSTACKS soon. It's a pity that they aren't available now, because Fedora Core 2 looks like a very exciting distribution otherwise.
Thad Beier
-- I love Mondays. On a Monday, anything is possible.
Re:Fedora
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Anonymous Coward
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Yeah, I've been thinking of switching from Debian(Which is great for sysadmins, like me) to Fedora. I don't know anything about other distros, so supporting may be a bit difficult. ( since there's not a standard way for network config, Xfree86 config and so on )
anti-slashdotting
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hey
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I starting download using BitTorrent around 10:00am ET when it was official released but the download rate was horrible (like 5 KiB/s). Then arround noon it got really fast (like 200 KiB/s)!!! What happened?! That was when this article was posted on Slashdot so I had more peers to talk to - maybe the first reverse slashdotting ever.
A question about torrent
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ajs
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In the download instructions it says:
Open up ports 6881-6999/tcp so other clients can contact you for bits [...]
Once your download is complete please leave your downloader running so it can help upload to the other clients. This is what makes bittorrent efficient.
This seems to be wrong on a couple of points.
First off bt is uploading from my machine even if I'm NATed and not doing port forwarding for that range (there must be some sort of push-based-transfer request that the host I'm connected to can issue in the protocol) and second, leaving it up would also seem to be unnecessary to boost efficiency (though it is extra-nice, certainly), as it's uploading during the entire download, and I benefit the community of downloaders as long as I'm downloading.
So what's the deal here?
Re:What's new?
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alexynr
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I was a bit upset about this bug since I was looking forward to Fedora 2 and all the new features, being a happy Fedora 1 user and all...
But I do have to dual-boot XP as well for work and I also don't have the time/energy to deal with a possible xp re-install..
Then I realised this bug didn't matter at all since I use an Asus P4P800 motherboard at home and a P4P800 deluxe at work...According to the Fedora 2 Release Notes:
Attempts to install Fedora Core 2 on ASUS® motherboards in the P4P800 series may not proceed past the "Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel." message, making installation impossible. No workaround is available at this time. For more information, monitor bug 121819:
Oh well...Guess I'll just have to wait a bit
Re:very useful
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Fweeky
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ISTR some distributed project to calculate md5 hash collisions; the idea being that once you've calculated 2^64 md5's or so, you start getting lots of them, and as they get demonstratably easier to break... uh... well, I guess then we might actually start using SHA1 in more than a handful of places;)
OpenSSL can act as an md5(1) replacement using SHA1 btw; iirc you can just symlink it to a file called sha1, and use it like a normal BSD md5:)
Does anybody know what the boot.iso file that I downloaded yesterday from bittorrent is? All the other files I got seem to be part of the download and MD5 correctly against the sum file on the fedora servers today, but there is no sum for boot.iso or that file to download there. I'm planning to just throw it out, but it seems to me that somebody could have slipped an extra disc in with the distribution and could get away with it because it doesn't mess up the MD5 but people might use it anyway.
Slashdot Mirror
Any way to update from Fedora Core 1 without downloading the .isos?
Okay, can someone explain the release name "Tettnang?" Is it just some crazy made up name or does it have significance?
Colin Dean Go a year without DRM
The key question is why switch if it is working? And if there is something worthwile, how long should one wait (when things are considered stable) until they switch?
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Yes, exactly on schedule. Right. Did you not notice that their schedule was revised about 5 times along the way? I remember the release date being for May 3 at one point.
Or perhaps this was a subtle attempt at humor?
That said, I'm really looking forward to trying it out. It's a real mess trying to decide between RH9+legacy, FC1, FC2, RHEL, and WhiteBox. Oh, how I long for the simple days of RH9!
2.6.5 kernel. Not sure about the rest. Oh, and don't install it (dual boot) on a machine running Windows XP without a full backup, since it has been known to make XP unbootable without wiping the partition table and starting again. This problem is being investigated, and there's a fairly active flamewar on the fedora-test list about it.
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my bittorrent download of the leak a few days ago kept going up and down. Sometimes I'd kill -9 the python process. I'm just wondering if there's a chance I might have corrupted my copy in this way (it's still downloading so i can't MD5SUM it). Also, if one of the machines on the bittorrent network have a corrupted copy, how will this affect others downloading it? Are there partial checksums?
I know there is are several commonly used tools that are ommited from fedora to avoid the IP issues. playing DVDs, Samba and a couple of others. Does anyone have a link to howto on what needs to be installed after the install to make it a regular useful distro?
WURD!!
I have never had as many problems getting a linux ditro running on my machine as I have with the Fedora series (I'm running Fedora core 2 pre-3 or whatever it was.) OK, maybe back in the 1.2.13 kernel days it was a bit more difficult, but given how far things have come, I really think Fedora is moving in the opposite direction in terms of Penguiny-goodness.
My biggest problem has been getting GRUB to boot my OSes correctly. I have one of those bugy BIOSes that necessitates some configuration magic when installing GRUB. Knoppix had no problem with this. Fedora, even though it is supposed to be a cinch to install, caused me to go two weeks without both my OSes booting correctly. This may just be a GRUB thing, but if you're creating a distribution, you're graded on the quality of those things that you choose to include.
Next up is the up2date thing. I've lived in RPM hell since the Redhat 4.0 days, and I'm not really sure why I still endure it. By now, the fact that I still can't get a DVD or MP3 player installed with a simple command line statement or GUI tool is simply absurd. It's generally a multistep proecess: download foo-3.3-2.rpm for five minutes, try to install it to find out it depends on bar-1.2-3.rpm, so I download that for another five minutes, try to install that to find that baz-0.2-23-monkeychowder.rpm depends on bar-1.2-2.rpm and that by installing anything more recent, I'm just screwed. Am I the only person that finds this completely unacceptable?
And I could go on. Still, I'm planning on going home tonight and torrenting the new ISO, apparently because I like pain (acquired and accustomed to over the course of 10 years of using linux...).
I am TheRaven on Soylent News
No kernel 2.6 before RHEL4 (2005)
The 4KSTACK change is inevitable, unstoppable, and also foreshowed long in advance. There are too many benefits, especially when running large numbers of threads.
NVidia will release a new driver compatible with 4KSTACKS soon. It's a pity that they aren't available now, because Fedora Core 2 looks like a very exciting distribution otherwise.
Thad Beier
I love Mondays. On a Monday, anything is possible.
Yeah, I've been thinking of switching from Debian(Which is great for sysadmins, like me) to Fedora.
I don't know anything about other distros, so supporting may be a bit difficult. ( since there's not a standard way for network config, Xfree86 config and so on )
I starting download using BitTorrent around 10:00am ET when it was official released but the download rate was horrible (like 5 KiB/s). Then arround noon it got really fast (like 200 KiB/s)!!! What happened?! That was when this article was posted on Slashdot so I had more peers to talk to - maybe the first reverse slashdotting ever.
- Open up ports 6881-6999/tcp so other clients can contact you for bits [...]
- Once your download is complete please leave your downloader running so it can help upload to the other clients. This is what makes bittorrent efficient.
This seems to be wrong on a couple of points.First off bt is uploading from my machine even if I'm NATed and not doing port forwarding for that range (there must be some sort of push-based-transfer request that the host I'm connected to can issue in the protocol) and second, leaving it up would also seem to be unnecessary to boost efficiency (though it is extra-nice, certainly), as it's uploading during the entire download, and I benefit the community of downloaders as long as I'm downloading.
So what's the deal here?
I was a bit upset about this bug since I was looking forward to Fedora 2 and all the new features, being a happy Fedora 1 user and all... But I do have to dual-boot XP as well for work and I also don't have the time/energy to deal with a possible xp re-install.. Then I realised this bug didn't matter at all since I use an Asus P4P800 motherboard at home and a P4P800 deluxe at work...According to the Fedora 2 Release Notes: Attempts to install Fedora Core 2 on ASUS® motherboards in the P4P800 series may not proceed past the "Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel." message, making installation impossible. No workaround is available at this time. For more information, monitor bug 121819: Oh well...Guess I'll just have to wait a bit
ISTR some distributed project to calculate md5 hash collisions; the idea being that once you've calculated 2^64 md5's or so, you start getting lots of them, and as they get demonstratably easier to break... uh... well, I guess then we might actually start using SHA1 in more than a handful of places ;)
:)
OpenSSL can act as an md5(1) replacement using SHA1 btw; iirc you can just symlink it to a file called sha1, and use it like a normal BSD md5
boot.iso
FC2-i386-disc3.iso
FC2-i386-disc1.iso
FC2-i386-disc4.iso
FC2-i386-disc2.iso
FC2-i386-rescuecd.iso