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Become a Professional Gamer

introverted writes "An article in the Wall Street Journal covers events in South Korea, where, even more so than the U.S., there are increasingly highly paid professional teams competing in games such as Blizzard's StarCraft. The article notes: 'Last year, [pro StarCraft gamer] Lim Yo-Hwan made about $300,000 from player fees and commercials. Another top earner, Hung Jin-Ho, whose fingers are insured for $60,000, recently signed a three-year deal with telecom provider KTF Co. that will pay him $480,000 altogether.' So now you can claim your time gaming as 'job skills training'!"

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  1. Whatever. by Maradine · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "So now you can claim your time gaming as 'job skills training'!"

    Alternately, I could make a good salary working 8-5 in an intellectually challenging field and save the gaming for its true purpose: a hobby.

    I don't want to imagine a world where videogames cease being fun because I need to keep winning to put food in my belly.

    Just a thought.

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    1. Re:Whatever. by MoonFog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Like most other professional sports out there?
      Don't you think you can both enjoy and work at the same time? A lot of professional athletes out there still love what they do, and professional gaming.. well, I don't see the huge difference from that and a "regular" sport (apart from the obvious).

    2. Re:Whatever. by garcia · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Alternately, I could make a good salary working 8-5 in an intellectually challenging field and save the gaming for its true purpose: a hobby.

      I was modded up and down on this very issue. Whether or not you should make your hobby your work. "What better job to have than something you thoroughly enjoy?"

      I was a decent athlete in high-school. I got a scholarship to a D1 college. I enjoyed practice, meets, and the entire thing. Once I got to college I realized that this was a job and quickly found it to be more of a burden than a release.

      I can't see doing something I love as my hobby for pay. It just takes all the fun out of it for me.

      I guess everyone has their own obsessions. Mine is getting money to do what I love to do on the weekends. At least I have something to really look forward to. I really feel that it would bore me to do what I currently love everyday. It's probably why I love it.

    3. Re:Whatever. by icedcool · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is true, as a former pro-Counterstrike player I can vouch for this. We would practice daily up to 6 hours, just so we could get down a strategy juuuust right. Then you would be constantly in practice so that you had recoil figured out. Getting guaranteed headshots 100% is a challenge. But making it work also made it not fun. The stress involved to perform was intense. It started taking priority over other parts of my life like school.

      Every now and then I play for fun, and that's what it is.
      It is nice though in that becoming a professional gamer doesn't have any limits to it like the physical barrier in becoming a football player.

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    4. Re:Whatever. by Buzz_Litebeer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Having supported myself for 2 years winning mechwarrior 3 tourneys, I can say you are way off base.

      Gaming was exciting, fun, and rewarding. I still play games as a hobby, but I wish I could still play them for money.

      Gaming is a great thing to do for money, if you can compete at the level to make enough at it.

      The reason gaming is not popular as a sport, in the same way it is in Korea, is that there is not enough money to be made in the sport of gaming. You do have your success stories, the kid that made 100k playing Unreal Tourney for example, but for every one of those success stories, there are thousands and thousands of people who simply did not win, they got nothing.

      In many sports, when you compete at a lower level, you can still make a good, solid, income. In gaming, its all or nothing, you are either 'teh big winnah' or you are jack shit.

      There were many times in mechwarrior 3 when I would be in a tourney, and get shoved in the loser bracket because I made a mistake. Second place generally gets you nothing, or something so negligable it does not matter.

      For example, in one of the major tourneys I participated in, called "Meltdown" the main prize was a Harley Davidson motorcycle, the second place prize was a 250 dollars + free trip to Seatle. Luckily, I won the cycle that time, but the second place person got to pay half of his car insurance.

      I have often thought of getting back into pro gaming, but every time I sit down and try to, I realize that I can no longer compete. This only after 5 years of not participating in the scene.

      You can not have a real life when the top prizes for many tourneys is worth maybe twice the cost it took to actually drive there, and the events only take place 3-4 times per year.

      Pro Gaming could be HUGE in the United States, but we just haven't figured out a way to market it.

      I look at South Korea and I wonder what is different there. My opinion is strictly on the fact of population density. When someone does well, they can get to tourneys relatively quickly, and can also have an easier time of promoting themselves without having to canvas such a large area. I am also sure it does not cost 300-400 dollars to fly to Seattle or Texas to compete in a major tourney.

      I think your opinion that gaming should only be a hobby should really be presented to proffesional basketball, baseball, championship chess, GO, etc. etc. etc. On-line video games are just as legitimate.

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    5. Re:Whatever. by merphle · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I can't see doing something I love as my hobby for pay. It just takes all the fun out of it for me.

      I started programming as a hobby (years ago) and am now presently employed as a professional programmer / software engineer. I can honestly say that I still love it.

      How is this any different?

    6. Re:Whatever. by James+Lewis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think what makes the difference between pro gaming is the US and in Korea is our societies. In the US, gaming (well anything to do with computers) still has enough of a "nerd" stigma to it to prevent pro gamers from being sought after to promote most products. In the US we seem to be at the point where you save face if you just play games casually, but you're a total nerd and pathetic if that's all you do.

  2. The Wife+Gaming=No sex by Himring · · Score: 5, Funny

    So now you can claim your time gaming as 'job skills training'!

    That should fly as well with the wife as the, "I'm working ... really!..."

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  3. This is getting out of control. by Dr.+Bent · · Score: 5, Funny

    in South Korea, where, even more so than the U.S., there are increasingly highly paid professional teams competing in games

    Jesus, are they outsourcing everything now?!?

  4. I am a professional gamer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    My company has been paying me to be a professional solitaire and spider solitaire player for years.

    1. Re:I am a professional gamer by rusty0101 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I regularly finish in less then 10 seconds.

      Oh, you mean without triping a mine.... Sorry.

      -Rusty

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  5. Where has Gary Larson gone? by AndroidonPPC · · Score: 5, Funny

    Man... there was a Far Side comic about parents hopefully imagining newspaper classifieds desperately searching for a super-mario player so that their son, engulfed in games, would have a career.

    Professional starcraft player. Fastest Zerg rush of the east! ^_^

  6. Probably not all it's cracked up to be by Moonshadow · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I dunno. While it'd be great to get paid for gaming, playing one game 10 hours a day, every day, would get rather monotonous and dull after a while. I enjoy gaming because I can play whatever game I want for however long I want. I might play some UT2K4 in three game modes, or Viewtiful Joe, or NWN, or whatever suits my fancy. Any one game after a while gets to be rather boring. My initial UT2K4 craze (ie, spending every spare moment on it) lasted about 2 weeks - now, I play maybe 2 hours a week. I mix it up with Legendary Halo when I don't feel like competing online, or maybe Soul Calibur when my roommate's in the mood for an ass-kicking. I'm a gamer, no doubt - I've sunk hundreds into building a capable gaming machine, and the living room is jammed with consoles - but any one pursuit, especilly forced, would just get dull. Gaming is a hobby, a release, and to have to "train" for it would be rather unenjoyable, I think.

    Of course, I'm very much not a powergamer, and I have an actual 9-5 that I work and come home to relax from, so my perspective is probably quite different from the younger crowd's.

  7. Pro gamers are strange creatures by Munden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was on my way to becomming a competative gamer in Counter-Strike. I joined CAL and was undefeated in CAL-O. Counter-Strike requires many hours of time of practice and strats for any person to be sucessful at it. I had to give up many things just to beat the first season I played and ultimatly I decided the sacrafices are not worth it. Friends become enemies, all spare time is used to hone your craft, and it turns from a fun game into a chore or job with extreme pressure. This is especially true in team based games like Counter-Strike. I made over $580.00 in one month on Star Wars Galaxies the first month I played. That was fun but became less fun over time. If you have the ability to sacrafice your friends, time, sanity, family, job, and in many cases education, then you too can be a pro gamer. Games are targeted at the younger generations. Many students sacrafice their time which would otherwise be spent on more productive activities but instead on games. To be a pro gamer you have to be all in 100%. I have seen my friends even take off a year after high school to get a job and play games instead of going to college.

  8. Re:Oh, come on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Global Gaming League (ggl.com) is trying to start the same sort of professional gaming atmosphere in the U.S.... and your comment reminded me of their old slogan:

    Stop playing with yourself .

  9. Not good at math or reading comprehension, huh? by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure, the TOP GAMERS make over 200k a year (BTW - being a pro gamer also means you need to buy bleeding edge technology, so that 200k isn't much after you subtract your monthly computer upgrade budget), but most hardly make any... not to mention that you not only have to be fabulous with one game, but with at least one new game ever year or so. If you take a break, or have an off year or two, you are in debt.

    You do realize that these Korean players are playing StarCraft, game for which a machine from five years ago was overkill. I mean the game requires a Pentium 90, 16 MB of RAM, and a 2X CD-ROM! The game is five years old!

    Even if you were member of some sort of mythical pro gaming league that adopted new games as soon as they came out, I can't seriously imagine spending more than $5000 a year on upgrading hardware and buying the latest games. On a $300,000/year budget, that's chump change. Hell, on that kind of budget you could buy a sports car or two each year without feeling the strain.

    I'll stick to my day job, thanks.

    Geez, I hope it has nothing to do with making purchasing decisions for your company if you think you have to throw a significant portion of a 6-figure salary at staying competitive in StarCraft.

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  10. Clarification on the 400 APM by silverHat · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the article, the author noted that the top player(s) can reach upwards of 400 APM.

    This needs clarification about exactly what's going on here.

    First off, this number is derived out of all the combined actions over the course of the game and divided by how many minutes the game was. There is a simple program created and written for this that analyzes each game through the replay details. If _anyone_ here plays StarCraft or it's younger brother WarCraft 3 (as both are considered professional games in Korea with WC3 becoming more and more popular) then you will know it's damn near impossible to accomplish anything efficiently with that high of an APM in the early game for about the first 2-4 minutes. To get that APM, keep in mind, he has to be clicking away approx. 6 times a second for the WHOLE match.

    Yes, players can do this, but we gamers give it a special name: Spam clicking. As an avid gamer, spam clicking is one of the most obnoxious ways to show off your 1337 skills.

    How do I know that 400 APM isn't possible, or at least where every click actually does something? Very simple, I've seen these replays, and by comparing top replays of players who spam click vs. those who don't, the highest _most efficient_ number is more are 150-175 APM, well below the 400 number the author glorified these players with. As you can probably tell, this works with marketers and advertising business, because I once tried to spam that much myself, and couldn't get higher than 250. People think it's supernatural.

  11. Re:He says it himself... by handsome+devil · · Score: 5, Funny

    What I wanna know is how can i get someone to pay me to be their videogame coach. "Hit jump! Go that way!"