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Mandrakelinux 10 Now Available To All
EvilAlien writes "Mandrakelinux has released the ISOs for Mandrakelinux 10.0. Mandrakelinux 10 is one of the first commercially available Linux distributions to feature the 2.6 kernel by default. As always, you can download the release via FTP or Bittorrent. Remember, if you use Mandrakelinux, join the club or buy a box to support them."
Debian is superior in some ways, but for now I'm sticking with Mandrake and if you're going to shout the virtues of Debian I'd say you're best off sticking to things that Mandrake doesn't do in nearly the exact same way.
With debian its even easier to install things with apt-get.
how is it easier to type 'apt-get install gnome' (as an example) over 'urpmi gnome'? It's just as easy. A little less typing the urpmi way. The cool thing with urpmi is rpm's are already compatible with it. urpmi checks the dependencies and then downloads those also.
I like debian, but it's no easier.
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Anyways, I recommend people using it if they are interested in begining on linux, because it gives the ease of use that a beginner needs, but its pretty powerful under the hood.
Get on that bittorrent people! I'm only getting 1KiB/s, so the Slashdot effect can't have hit the bittorrent. I know it's hard, but you can all use BT instead of the FTP download. It's inverse slashdot effect, really. The more of us there are, the faster the site is. So hop to!
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Today, if you want a freely available desktop-oriented Linux distribution, you have to hunt far and wide. If you looked a week ago, you would have Fedora Core 2, which suffers from this major bug, Mandrake 10 Community - which is a pain to update. Knoppix is good but it's not really meant for installation though it can be done. A quick look on SuSe's downloads page shows that they do offer it free (minus commercial components), but it's either in LiveCD format or has to be installed via FTP.
So, unfortunately today, we don't have the luxury we used to of being able to simply grab the 3 iso's for RedHat and installing them onto our system. Sure we could use Debian, or Gentoo, or even go out on a limb and try FreeBSD - but none of these are desktop-oriented, though you can achieve a nice desktop system if you work at it.
I think that's what he's talking about. :)
Man watching 6 MSCE's around a sun box, looks alot like the opening scene's of 2001:space odyssey...
RedHat *was* the standard back in the day, but others have cought up, and they pretty much blew any other advantage off with their Fedora vs Enterprise debarkle. RedHat users faced the choice of a distro in continuous state of Beta, or paying large fees for updates. Not good. I've been through Debian, MkLinux, Mandrake, RedHat, SuSE, Adamantix, and a few others, and I'll say that these days Mandrake and SuSE are the real players. Mandrake has got the desktop figured out, and SuSE has got the Novell juggernaut behind them. Aside from "only RedHat supported" 3rd party apps, and maybe business folks who want the well-known name when first move to Linux, I just can't see much room for RedHat anymore... It's certainly been ousted from this office and replaced with alternatives.
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He's probably referring to the fact that for a home user today, to get a well-integrated desktop Linux system (like what many of us used RedHat for), we have very, very limited options.
I don't think so -- it seemed to be a direct criticism of Red Hat for home use, which definitely confuses me. I can see complaints about Red Hat -- they're too tied up in making things "free" (second only to Debian, IMHO), they've done a poor job of managing Fedora PR, etc, but them not being usable as a home machine is an entirely new complaint to me. Most distributions, except for specialized ones, would seem to be quite good for home use.
If you looked a week ago, you would have Fedora Core 2, which suffers from this major bug
That's a bug, though, not a fundamental distribution problem. I'm not too familiar with this aside from the Slashdot article, but I would be surprised if there isn't an update issued to fix it. Plus, the poster is comparing Red Hat to Mandrake -- and Mandrake 10 suffers from the same bug, according to your link.
WRT the Mandrake update procedures, I would think that this is not so much a problem for home users as it is for people that have been doing beta testing. Whatever the "Community Edition" is (it sounds something vaguely like the Red Hat FC test releases).
A quick look on SuSe's downloads page shows that they do offer it free (minus commercial components), but it's either in LiveCD format or has to be installed via FTP.
I agree with you that SuSE is about the least free of all the distributions that currently exist (Caldera tended to push a couple of non-free buttons as well). I certainly wouldn't use SuSE myself. However it's still affordable and usable by a home user.
Sure we could use Debian, or Gentoo, or even go out on a limb and try FreeBSD - but none of these are desktop-oriented, though you can achieve a nice desktop system if you work at it.
I'm not sure why one would say that Debian and Gentoo are not desktop-oriented. I guess that I cannot speak with as much knowledge when talking about Gentoo, but I remember synaptic being made for Debian -- surely that is an example of a desktop-oriented administration tool?
I have only a little experience with the BSDs, and none admining a BSD box, but surely FreeBSD would be the BSD most oriented at desktop use?
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Lucky you. I installed 3 FC2s, 2 dual-booting (to XP) laptops and one triple booting destkop (to XP and 2k3): all went OK. That doesn't mean the problem isn't there. (Lucky me, I guess). The fact that I always set the hard-drives to LBA (and the Windozes were installed that way, one of them nearly 2 years ago) might have something to do with it.
fantastic? It trashes Windows partition maps, breaks NVIDIA drivers, screws up X configuration files, has missing popular packages (XCDroast), and NO firewire support! And that's just what I personally experienced! It's the biggest piece of horsesh*t distribution that has ever shown it's head and it's a RELEASE for goodness sake. I would rank it as the worst test release ever, never mind comparing it to something normal users are supposed to use. What's staggering is that they're blaming everybody but themselves for the problems, like people's time is free and they've got nothing better to do than learn about Grub and the fun details of recovering a partition map.
*shudder* No thanks. I don't care how easy it is to do, I'll wait for them to produce a fix.
I don't care whose fault it is, but speaking as an average joe user, if you want to crowbar that copy of Windows XP from me, then I want to be able to install Linux without having to faff around repairing/rebuilding stuff that I know very little about in the first place.
When you're the underdog, or up against something which is established, in any industry, you have to accept that sometimes you may need to "fix" something that wasn't really your fault in the first place.
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Um, I've run several flavours of Mandrake on a 400MHz PII and they run just fine (better since I upgraded from 64MiB to 192MiB). And that's with a laptop's slow HD.
So I'd say there's definitely something wrong with your setup. On anything faster than a 150MHz machine, pretty much any distribution should be very comfortable to use as long as it has enough memory.
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It trashes Windows partition maps
Before you open your piehole, you might want to notice that this problem is kernel 2.6 related and affects Mandrake 10 and SuSE 9.1 as well.
breaks NVIDIA drivers
New kernel version breaks closed-source kernel module. Film at 11! Want to place a wager on how long it takes NVIDIA to fix their problem anyway?
has missing popular packages (XCDroast)
You name one package, and it isn't even missing from FC2. Nice.
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