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BBC Creative Archive Based On Creative Commons

powcom writes "The BBC appears to be delivering on its promise of releasing its material to the public - they're modelling their licensing on Creative Commons. Lawrence Lessig is very excited and so I imagine, will a lot of other people be - rightly." This brief article also mentions yesterday's release of Creative Commons' 2.0 licenses -- well worth reading about.

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  1. BBC viewpoint by Space+cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful


    For those that don't know, and are therefore probably thinking "How the hell can they give it all away for free", the BBC is funded by everyone in the UK who has a TV paying a yearly fee (104 I think - I pay 8/month by direct-debit until it's paid). From the last figures I can find (on the admittedly licence-fee-hostile CAL site) the BBC has 2.8 billion pounds per year running costs ($5,000,000,000, give or take...)

    There are lots of people in the UK who object to paying for the licence fee (I'm not one of them), most of whom (in my opinion) want the same quality of service (or better ;-) without having to cough up the cash. Given the advantages (the BBC documentaries and wildlife programs to name but two would probably not get made in a more commercial environment) I'm fairly happy paying 8/month. Given that I'll happily blow 50 on a night out (pub & meal), it seems like good value to me...

    And then of course without the constant need to please the paymasters, you can get this sort of benevolence (although I'd be willing to bet when the details come out that re-broadcasting is limited :-). You also get more (IMHO) objectivity. I trust the BBC far more than I trust most news organisations, foreign or domestic - there's a tradition of honest portrayal of news that places it up amongst the best, a tradition it lives up to, at least more often than most.

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    1. Re:BBC viewpoint by Ithika · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Excellent points, but to further what you said about trustworthiness... When they have been under suspicion (Andrew Gilligan, "sexed up" dossiers, etc.) they were remarkably objective about their own (mis)deeds. I think any other organisation would have a) attempted to ignore their own part in the proceedings, or b) editorialised when they should have just been reporting.

    2. Re:BBC viewpoint by mccalli · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Given the advantages (the BBC documentaries and wildlife programs to name but two would probably not get made in a more commercial environment)...

      This used to be true, but it seems to be getting more and more commercial now. the "Walking With..." set of series, for example, seemed to be geared for DVD sales right from the beginning. The programming is now plastered with adverts....for the BBC. And the children's programming in particular is just smothered with markerting tie-ins.

      No, I'm afraid I believe the BBC is becoming more commercial all the time, and I resent and object to that. I don't begrudge them the license fee, but I do begrudge them using that to push their tie-in products.

      Cheers,
      Ian

    3. Re:BBC viewpoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think it's unlikely the BBC archives will use DRM at all. How could they? What would be the point of releasing under a Creative Commons licence but then slapping Digital Restrictions Management all over it? Sort of self defeating.

      Lets also not forget that the BBC is funding development of a wavelet CODEC, which it has released as OSS via. Sourceforge. I don't think they could aim to be more open, frankly.

    4. Re:BBC viewpoint by Kegster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they are making the archive available in a lossy format then this shouldn't be too much of a problem really.

      Broadcasters who want to use BBC content are going to be wanting broadcast quality media, which effectively means mpeg2 (mpeg4 isn't quite there yet), as will anyone who wants a decent copy for home.

      Or they use a dual-licensing apporach, a la MySQL,
      one license if you want broadcast rights, or a higher quality, and a Open type license for personal use?

      Is the text of the license they are proposing available anywhere?

    5. Re:BBC viewpoint by grahamsz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My point is that there'll be less incentive for a US network to purchase Red Dwarf and fill it full of commercials, if it's possible to download it off the net.

      In that vein they'll probably want to restrict it to british citizens or even just british license payers, otherwise they'll be paying for bandwidth to reduce the value of their international resale rights.

    6. Re:BBC viewpoint by laigle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I just wish I could get the same quality programming in the US for the much higher price we pay. Ah, the joys of the free market.

      And by free market, I mean a tiny group of collusionary, racketeering, megalomaniacal jerks who bribe Congress to stifle any form of competition so they won't get their comeuppance for the miserable job they do.

    7. Re:BBC viewpoint by Alby · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Because of course, it's currently totally impossible to download episodes of Red Dward from the 'net.

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    8. Re:BBC viewpoint by Nick_dm · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If you actually read through notes at the end of the Hutton Inquiry there are some quotes (from internal emails and such) that show some people saying (paraphrasing) "we'll have trouble on this claim, we don't have solid evidence". Also they did twist other facts such as the "45 minute" claim was alegedly about "battlefield mortar shells or small calibre weaponry" not misiles or anything that would be a threat to the UK. They may not have added things they believed were untrue but they did add things that they knew they couldn't back up, and they also put true claims into different contexts.

  2. Thanks to the brits for this one... by mobiux · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We get it for free because they pay thier yearly tax.

    I just wish I could get the BBC america channel at home.

    1. Re:Thanks to the brits for this one... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Get what for free? The archive will only be available to UK ADSL/Cable subscribers, the BBC can do this because almost all of the ADSL and cable providers do private peering with the BBC (they have one hell of a network). Other than the limited world services, people outside of the UK get little.

  3. Good news by N3koFever · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's good news if they do this. Their shows (especially comedy) are probably the best in the world and making them available to anyone who wants them is great, especially for people who live in places where they can't see them usually. One of the advantages of having a publicly funded non-commercial TV network I guess.

  4. Creative Commons! by Lorenzo+de+Medici · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The Creative Commons license brings licensing to the masses. As an independent filmmaker, I am so overjoyed to be able to have websites such as Magnatune where I can find decent artists who want exposure for their music, something some of my films can provide. At the same time, I get good quality audio for my films. They win. I win. It's a wonderful thing.

    To anyone who has not explored the CC licences, I highly encourage them to check it out and learn about this really cool license.

    Also, I didn't notice any really significant changes in the 2.0 licenses. Did anyone catch something blaringly obvious that I missed?

  5. This is Certainly Great News by List+of+FAILURES · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Precedent like this by such a well respected and very tasteful organization is sure to bolster support for the Creative Commons style of licensing. One of the best, but most downtrodden traits of humanity is the capacity for sharing. Certain, mentally ill segments of our civilization are striving to keep what last tight grips they have on anything of value. They think only of themselves and their immediate needs rather than thinking of us as a collective and the legacy that we may leave behind with a more open approach. I applaud the BBC and it's efforts to show the world that it is possible to embrace sharing as a good thing for creativity. I berate everyone else who believes that keeping something completely to themselves is good in any way. Go ahead and become Gollum, if that is what you wish. The rest of us will leave you behind.

  6. Re:How long will this last? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As a licence payer, I really don't mind. Hey, we've already paid it, it's there, why not just let everyone else enjoy it as well? What benefit is there in locking it away? I don't gain anything!

  7. Re:Thanks to you for this one... by Roland+Piquepaille · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We get it for free because they pay thier yearly tax.

    And we over here get to read your post on the DARPA-created Internet because you pay your taxes. Everybody in the world eventually contributes something to everybody else.

    Anyway, thanks.

  8. Re:The Beeb isn't only making money from license f by jacoplane · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And licensing their materials under a creative commons license does not mean that revenue has to end. They can give it away to the public for free while forbidding commercial use (without paying for that right).

  9. Ignorance ensued by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    BBC's taxes are authorised by a Crown Charter, which is done through government. However, the Government and the BBC both have to abide by it (which they both do willingly). This isn't a Government controls the BBC situation, it's a contract between seperate entities.

    Unfortunately, you're too ignorant to know what you're talking about.

  10. Re:BBC is official government media by dylman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, it's far better to have your news media controlled by vast corporations pursuing their own, unknown agendas. Fox News are renowned worldwide for their balanced, fair journalism, after all...

  11. CBC ... follow suit by subVorkian · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The CBC should follow the lead of it's older, wiser brother.


    This was found at: http://archives.cbc.ca/info/281g_en23.shtml

    CBC staff from coast to coast to coast have online access to RADIOLA material through CBC's Intranet. This makes it much easier to incorporate old programming into new coverage -- when reporting on the history of a conflict, say, or the death of a national figure.

    It's sad that only insiders at CBC have access to electronic copies of content. The have locked down their listening formats using commercial streaming products (RealAudio, QuickTime & Windows Media). This makes it difficult to record or re-use content streaming from CBC.

    It's sad because this content is tax-payer funded. It also makes personal recording impossible or at best illegal.

    I really think CBC should follow the BBC.

  12. Re:BBC is official government media by gpuk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is the most misguided comment I have ever read.

    I suggest you direct your browser to: http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/policies/charter/ Where you can peruse the BBC's royal charter.

    You may also wish to read: http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/policies/charter/pdf/agr eement_text.shtml
    Specifically, read section "4. OBJECTIVES FOR THE HOME SERVICES".

    The BBC is not a mouth piece for the government and indeed the government has no control over what can or cannot be broadcast. If you lived in the UK you would have read in the papers and seen on TV the huge debate that took place recently over finding a replacement director general after Greg Dyke (the former DG) resigned in response to the Dr. David Kelly affair. The debate was centred around finding a person suitable for the level of impartiality required. The government also felt obliged to jump through hoops just to let everyone know that they fully respected the impartiality of the BBC and had no intention of meddling with the selection process. The BBC's impartiality is so highly regarded in this country that if the government even hinted at trying to sway the selection process it would lose the next general election. This is why they went to such lengths to show they had no involvement in the process.

  13. Re:BBC is official government media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They question the government. Commercial media organisations like Fox are far more likely to use their news coverage as leverage for financial reasons. If it hurts the company, then questions aren't asked. That's something we should really deal with. It's the BBC's greatest strength.

    Well, that and the fact there is absolutely no advertising.

    Can you imagine what the country would be like if Ruperts Sky News was the offical media outlet for the United Kingdom?

  14. Re:Only one Fox by jsebrech · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fox News's only agenda is to serve the public. If they don't, their ratings fall. No "unknown agendas".

    Fox news is a business. As a business, they do not exist to serve the public, they exist to turn a profit. The truth isn't profitable, because it's rarely a "sexy" story. Fox news has a spin portraying fox viewers as true patriots who know the real truth because they watch fox news, and who know that fox news portrays the real america, who are strongly behind George W. Bush, and who think the iraq war is a great effort in the war on terror. It creates a very loyal viewerbase who will not look for other news sources, because in their mind it would make them less patriotic. Fox profits handsomely from this spin by having a loyal audience to show ads to.

    Ratings and truth are unrelated. Lies can be sweet poison, the truth bitter medicine. If a station gave you bitter medicine, you would stop watching it, which is why fox news gets such nice ratings from spreading blatant, but seductive, lies consistently.

  15. Re:hoping others will follow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'd love to see the RAI archive released under such terms, but it is quite wrong to suggest that the RAI is the same kind of institution as the BBC. One obvious difference is that the RAI is partially funded by advertising and a fair amount of direct government subsidy. In fact RAI TV has more advertising per hour than British commercial TV and it has rarely achieved a similar level of quality in recent years (mainly because British commercial TV has to compete with the BBC's quality standards, not the woeful dross of Berlusconi's private stations) Perhaps more insidiously, the RAI has always been a creature of the Government and the Italian political class. For years the three main Italian parties effectively had one RAI TV channel each and today the RAI as a whole is basically the property of Prime Minister Berlusoni. Given that Berlusconi also owns all the private terrestrial TV stations that matter in Italy, this amounts to a private media autocracy. I love Italy and Italians, but I can't imagine any other country that would consider itself a democracy if practically all of its broadcast media were in the hands on one private individual.

  16. Re:Left Hand: "What you up to Right Hand?" by BenBenBen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's really quite simple.

    The BBC tech guys at Kingswood Warren "got it" (I remember their webcam with a huge inflatable Tux in the background..)

    They were "right-sized" as part of the preparation for the sell-off of BBC Technology (which is a national shame), and their new marketdroid paymasters took one look at their (underappreciated here) efforts to ogg etc stuff and said "get back to work".

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