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Microsoft, Sony Announce iPod Competitors
Pfhreak writes "According to the Denver Post -- Las Vegas section, a little over halfway down the page -- Microsoft will begin selling a $50 music player that will 'look and feel as good as the iPod' later this year. Yusuf Mehdi, a Microsoft VP, is quoted as saying that the player will give customers more choices than Apple."
In related news, Tetsugaku-San writes "The Register has the scoop on Sony's new portable audio/visual playback device. Impressively it plays MPEG2, MPEG4, BMP, GIF, PNG, TIFF and MP3 (finally they got the message Apple was gonna whoop em!) straight out of the box. Not as good battery life as I'd like to see, but real world tests remain to be seen."
That's just the way it is. I want my open-source, patent-free, DRM-free codec.
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Finally some competition in Apples handheld audio monopoly? Good to see the underdog(s) stick it to 'em.
Of course it's not going to have a similar capacity. All he said was it's going to look neat. More Microsoft FUD and vapor.
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What a coincidence. Apple's lawyers are already filling out a lawsuit with the very same title!
You know what?
"this is going to have a similar capacity? If so, IPOD should be out of business with that price difference."
Wow, I don't think anyone could come up with a more succinct statement that summarizes why the Slashdot crowd has absolutely no clue about the portable music player market.
The Sony device will be quite good, and will compare favorably to the iPod. The Microsoft device will be a POS, but will sell like hotcakes despite that, and in a few years we'll have fanboys and pundits gushing about how Bill Gates "innovated" the personal MP3 player.
The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
Well, was bound to happen some day. Hard drive is probably the most expensive part of the hardware, and one can assume Microsoft already has software development covered.
However, even Dell's digital jukeboxes start at $200, and beating Dell pricewise is something out of ordinary (possible, but few have done it).
In order to let folks know just how cool Microsoft is, they always seem to pre-announce products by several months to years and invariably when they come out, they always seem to be somehow less than they promised. The iPod is good.....damned good. So I am certainly going to take a wait and see approach, but one usually gets what they pay for.
I likely will be sticking with the iPod I suspect.
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Not trying to flamebait or anything, but haven't we seen this type of strategy before?
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Look and feel are cheap. The question is whether it will work and sound as good. The principal attraction of the iPod is that it's intuitive and meshes well with iTunes. That's worth money to users.
I'm glad that iPod is getting some competition (it will make iPods better to) but I don't see that this is necessarily a death blow for them.
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Really? I can't wait to rawk to my
Ours will be just like Apple's, only better.
This time we're serious. It's really cool.
Really.
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Yup, you get what you pay for. Dell makes some cheap laptops, but they have this tendency to fall apart in about a week. That doesn't happen with powerbooks.
:P Apple has earned my loyalty by making a great product; Microsoft's business practices (and OS) make me want to blow up their headquarters on a daily basis. I'm sure others agree with me :)
And as for their music player, it's rediculous. They make you pay extra for "enhanced" (i.e. non-crippled) software, and I'm sure the hardware isn't as good as Apple's. Apple, unfortunately (for their sales department), always adds features that are hard to market. For instance, read any review of MP3 players and you'll find that Apple's sound output hardware (DA converters, amp, etc.) is the best. But you can't really market that.
Oh well. The people who want a good music player will buy the Apple and the people who want a new toy will buy the M$ box. That's the way things have always been, and I don't see how it affects me if M$ makes a $50 music box. Whatever
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These articles shit me. The thing is, Apple is a fashionable company. They make fashionable computers and fashionable products and this puts them in a different league to Microsoft et al. Geeks do not, by their very nature, understand fashion. Microsoft's competing product may be cheaper, Sony's may have more features etc etc. That will mean nothing to a kid who wants an iPod. I doubt that Ferrari were worried when Kia/ Daewoo/ Hyundai popped onto the car scene; I don't think Armani is worried that you can buy shirts for $20 at Kmart, and so on. The Apple iPod is a fashion accessory. Paris Hilton ( or insert vacuous celebrity here) won't be caught dead using a cheap Microsoft rip off and millions of teenagers will feel the same way. Apple could double the price of their iPod range and they'd still sell them. Apples are desirable. They're cool. Microsoft has never been cool and never will be no matter what they do. Can you really imagine a company owned and run by Bill Gates producing something that teenagers everywhere go nuts for? Compare their interface designs to Apple's.... Sony are too sensibly Japanese to be cool. There is no iPod killer. When cool people start saying "Levis are dead - I can buy jeans for 1/5 the price at Target" then maybe, just maybe, Apple should start to worry.....
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Well, for $300 you can get 15Gb of storage on the low-end iPod. For $500 you can get $40Gb of storage on the high-end iPod.
The iPod/iTunes combo has become the core of my audio system. I don't have a boom box or home stereo system. I hook my iPod into my stereo TV when I want to listen to tunes downstairs. When I want to listen to tunes upstairs, I listen to the tunes through my computer's speakers. When I'm driving in the car, I plug in my tape deck adapter and go.
When I go for a run or go to work out, I take my iPod and have all of my tunes with me. So in that sense it's not just "a Walkman that doesn't need CDs or tapes." A CD Walkman is fine if I just want to listen to whatever CDs I happen to have with me at the time. But when I'm mobile, the last thing I want to do is decide which tunes I think I'll want to listen to at some point in the future. I want the whole range of my music library available.
I'm not rich. Not even close. I like my music a lot, but I'm not the music freak I was when I was in my teens. All the same, the iPod has really changed my listening habits quite a bit. It allows me to listen to a broader range of my own music than I otherwise would, lets me listen to music pretty much anywhere, and eliminates the need to haul around discs or tapes wherever I go.
Prices will doubtless drop on these devices as they become commoditized. Someday they'll drop to a price that will be acceptable to you. In the mean time, the investment in my iPod has more than justified the cost several times over for me (and for my non-technophile wife, who is an iPod addict as well).
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Pardon my cynical attitude but I cannot imagine an item that sells for $50 for 20G versus the Apple model for the same size at $399 looking and feeling remotely the same.
I have one of the original 5G iPods. I have used, abused and it runs beautifully. The design and looks are without peer IMHO.
This sort of reminds me of plastic surgeons who claim silicone breast implants have the same look and feel as the real deal.
Harpo Tunnel Syndrome--my wrist feels funny.
Whatever happened to outdoing your competitors?
Way to go MS. Aim low.
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"Whatever happened to outdoing your competitors?
Way to go MS. Aim low."
Oh right. Here's what the reverse would be:
"Um, M$, this is nothing like the elegance of the iPod. Way to go MS, blow it again."
I don't think it will have a similar capacity. I wouldn't even bet on it being a microsoft product, as that last bastion of journalistic integrity, as the apple turns has a linked story that has a bit more to chew on (but not much more) than the denver post article.
The quote about the $50 players was left out, but it does still contain the 'look and feel' quote, and he is obviously referring to third-party players that will be launched alongside a new microsoft music download service.
What kind of hard drive could a manufacturer possibly put in a player for less than $50 - none, maybe flash 128/256 - but that's already on the market, and has been for some time. Anyway, I choose to believe this to be just more Microsoft FUD until I see such a $50 iPod killer.
Have you ever priced buying one of the little drives in an ipod or ipod mini individually? The primary reason that competitors can claim similar features cheaper is that their players are a bit larger, thus able to use cheaper hard drives. The smaller form factor of the ipod and the hard drive inside does add value. If you don't value the slightly smaller size, thats a perfectly valid opinion, but some people do value it, and the smaller drives are legitimately more expensive than larger ones with the same capacity.
Most of Apples competitors have only been able to compete in form OR function OR price, or 2 of those factors, never all 3. That indicates that the iPods aren't as inflated in price as you think, or with all the competition out there, they wouldn't be so hard to improve on. Apple does have a higher markup than some companies, but if they knocked $100 off the entry level iPod, I doubt they'd be making any net profit, and they are not a charity. The markup is not that dramatic.
Apparently someone got their grubby little hands on a beta version of Microsoft's iPod killer. I must say, it's very stylish, and I wouldn't mind losing the portability of my iPod to show off this baby. Hot!
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They clearly aren't overpriced; they sell like hotcakes. Apple has accurately judged the market's demand for the devices, and chosen the appropriate price point. If they actually *were* overpriced, a competitor would have long since come along and undercut them. There are cheaper players, yes, but none as small and/or well executed as the iPod (mini). What apple "should" be charging is what the market will support, looking also to make it difficult for a competitor to beat them on the combination of price/form/function. They've clearly hit the mark, as demand shows. I don't know, maybe you mean "should" in some weird moral sense? I mean, they "should" just give me one, in my ideal universe, but it ain't gonna happen. Other companies have been in the fray for quite some time, and they haven't forced down apple's prices yet; this is a good indication that they're right where they "should" be.
I know it's flamebait (using the dollar sign tipped me off) but I can't help myself. The Xbox is indeed bloated (in terms of size) but it is neither "overpriced" nor "crap." In fact, it offers more functionality (by nearly every measure) than Sony's PS2 for the same price. There are great games to play on the system, and cross-platform games usually look, and sometimes play, better than on competing machines.
Whatever the truth is about Microsoft's potential MP3 player (and we don't have "truth" yet since the linked article is a blurb that generates more questions than answers), there's nothing wrong with the Xbox that a table (and, for some people, a few Japanese-style RPGs) won't fix.
Microsoft doesn't aim 'high' or 'low.' Microsoft aims wide.
Nobody uses Microsoft products has ever been called elitist. MS isn't into selling to narrow niche markets.
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I disagree. I think that if the pricetag is $50, then Microsoft intends to lose money on the units AND the music sales (similar to how the XBox, a current venture loses money overall).
Microsoft more likely than not intends to lose gobs of money overall on the entire music venture, with only two goals in mind:
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The Karma's a whopping 1.1 inches thick to the iPod's 0.62. It also appears to have been designed by someone with a terrible hangover from the late '90s.
After that, everything else is just quibbling. Still, I should point out that you neglected to mention the iPod's new lossless codec.
You forgot a few things on the iPod:
Width: 0.62"
Interfaces: FireWire 400 AND USB2
Extras also include Smart Playlists and auto playlist syncing.
Also, an interface that doesn't suck the balls.
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What part of "embrace and extend" are we not clear on?
Phase 1: Embrace - Get your foot into the market, as deep as you can. Doesn't have to "outdo" the competitors. You can even sell at a loss if you like, the OS market will pay for it. Make your web browser "free". Sell your XBox/MS-IPod at a lower price than it costs you to make.
Phase 2: Extend - Use market penetration, leverage, hostile takeovers, anticompetetive practice and "innovation" to make that market yours.
Phase 3: Profit
Phase 4: Find new market. Repeat step 1.
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