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ICANN Budget Questioned

Thing I am writes "The proposed 2004-5 budget for the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) has hit a snag - the rest of the world is refusing to pay its share of the bill. ICANN last week proposed a budget of $15.8m for next year, nearly twice as much as its current annual expenditure."

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  1. Due to lack of funding... by k4_pacific · · Score: 4, Funny

    The internet will be shut down until further notice.

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    1. Re:Due to lack of funding... by Zeinfeld · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The only significant new cost in ICANN's budget is littigation.

      There would be no real problem with ICANN if there was a rational process for appointing it. The problem here is that a constitution designed for a benevolent dictator is now in the hands of a group of people with the outlook of a US CEO.

      This is the sort of thing that happened at the New York Stock Exchange.

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    2. Re:Due to lack of funding... by leerpm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But in the article it also states they are requesting a lot more money for the IANA. Twenty times more in fact. With the RIRs and LIRs taking over more of the duties with respect to number assignment in IPv6, I don't see why the IANA needs so much more money.

      Somebody at ICANN needs to wise up, and stop trying so many power grabs. They should be delegating as much as possible to the regional/country authorities. Instead they seem to be on a crusade to be the ultimate ruling body on all matters relating to the Internet. And yet, they have shown they barely have the strength to stand up to a company like VeriSign.

    3. Re:Due to lack of funding... by CountBrass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Noob. The Web (invented by Tim Berners-Lee) != the internet.

      The US *did* invent the internet: Google for Arpanet (and of course Al Gore's contribution ;-)

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    4. Re:Due to lack of funding... by Ateryx · · Score: 3, Insightful
      They should be delegating as much as possible to the regional/country authorities.

      While I'm never part of the tinfoil hat crowd, it does make me concerned when the most free form of media becomes more and more in control of one country.

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    5. Re:Due to lack of funding... by Zeinfeld · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I dont know about your claim to have invented the Internet (Is that you, Al??), but i have to say, as a American, without the US the internet would not exist today, so we have a right to own and control some part of it.You guys should be more grateful, for this and other things.

      And we Brits invented electricity, the steam engine, television and radio. So we should have the right to control them.

      Your claims are actually way off. The Internet protocols were developed in the US, but if the Web had appeared later than it did it would probably have used the OSI stack which was largely the result of work in the UK.

      Sure there are technical differences between TCP/IP and OSI, TCP/IP might even have some advantages. But to claim that there would be no computer networking without the US is simply untrue.

      Most coutries grow out of this type of weenie size measurement. We grew out of it, you should try it too. Your type of thinking is the reason you guys are currently up to your ass in the Iraq quagmire, that and the fact that your incompetent "President" got taken by a ride by Iranian intelligence. If you were not such suckers for the weenie size rhetoric you would never have elected him in the first place. But then again of course you never did.

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    6. Re:Due to lack of funding... by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And we Brits invented electricity

      That's right. Anyone who tells you it existed before that is lying.

      Those fish that give you electric shocks only evolved the skill after stealing the idea from the Brits.

      Mother Nature, you owe UK plc humungous amounts of money for your unauthorised use of electricity in your 'thunder' and 'lightning' services.

      Your type of thinking is the reason you guys are currently up to your ass in the Iraq quagmire

      Yeah, I'm glad that there aren't any British troops in Iraq too. *cough*

      that and the fact that your incompetent "President" got taken by a ride by Iranian intelligence.

      Call me a sceptic, but I see this as more like the WMD thing "not being as good an excuse to invade Iraq as we'd hoped".

      And I can't be arsed going into much depth about Tony Blair, save that he either believes the bullshit put out before, during and "after" the war, which makes him an idiot. Or alternatively, that he previously went along with the Iraq thing to preserve Britain's influence with the US; except that it's obvious now that Britain only has influence when they do what the US want them to do- i.e. they *don't* have any influence, and Tony Blair is still behaving like the US's dementedly loyal poodle.

      Being a sceptic, I went along with the second explanation, and it's only recently dawned on me how incompetent and one-dimensional Tony Blair is.

      Oh, and I am a "Brit" too if you want to call me that.

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    7. Re:Due to lack of funding... by AaronGTurner · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We did invent the electronic computer, at least :-) Actually British scientists were working on networking computers in the late 1960s along with those in the USA. The USA got to a practical solution first, though. Anyway, none of this really matters unless inventions are so locked down that a country is heavily economically disadvantaged if it doesn't get to inventions first. I'd rather inventions be seen from the perspective of being able to enrich human existence through synergy with other developments, whatever the country of origin. We all stand on the shoulders of giants, after all.

    8. Re:Due to lack of funding... by HiThere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The constitution was designed to have frequent elections of the board members...but they've neglected to ever have one. (It's possible that I have the wrong group here, but I doubt it.)

      Personally, I think everyone should refuse to pay ICANNs budget. But I believe that the US govt. has assumed control. In which case, I certainly understand everyone else refusing to pay.

      My personal feeling is that the rest of the world should get together and create their own equivalent. Then the US could join as an equal, or could maintain "splendid isolation". But that it's quite unreasonable for the US to expect to call the tunes, and then have everyone else share the bill.

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  2. ICANN.... by su2ge · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not Budget. Someone needs to cut back on using jets and charging it to the organizations account.

    1. Re:ICANN.... by Cramer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I read their "budget"... accordingly, they are paying an average of $93k per employee. That's insane. And seeing as that's an average, I'd bet 70% of that line item is in the executives pockets. Nothing ICANN is supposed to do is worth that kind of cash. (I'll never understand the need to give CEO's 250k$ + millions in extras. They don't do shit to deserve it.)

      As for IANA... what the f*** do they need with 5.8mil? They really don't do hardly anything. They don't host root name servers or run any part of the internet infrastructure. (if IANA went poof tomorrow, the internet wouldn't even notice. they provide valuable services, just not active, critical services.) They deligate address space, assign ASN's, and maintain the associated database(s) for those deligations (and bill for them.) I've built and maintained the same thing for ISPs -- it's not that f'ing difficult. Seeing how they bill for most of what they do, why would they need so much from ICANN?

  3. Question about ICANN's place in the world by Altima(BoB) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article: "ICANN is relying on the fact that Europe's Internet registries (although CENTR, despite its name, represents far more than just European interests) will want to have ICANN in charge more than they will want an international body controlled by governments (the ITU)"

    I'm not getting something. Why would a (I presume) for-profit corporation like ICANN be preferable to a system controlled by governments? Honest question, I'm really curious. What does ICANN offer that this ITU doesn't?

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    1. Re:Question about ICANN's place in the world by takasuz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      An international organization controlled by goverments tends to work bureaucratically and inefficiently. A commercial company can be more flexible and efficient if it is not in monopoly. I think we somehow needs a competition here.

    2. Re:Question about ICANN's place in the world by fractaloon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why would a (I presume) for-profit corporation like ICANN be preferable to a system controlled by governments?

      Actually, ICANN is a non-profit according to their website. I'm guessing they want to jack up their salaries 20 fold and the easiest way is to try and hold everyone at gunpoint.

    3. Re:Question about ICANN's place in the world by leerpm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because the ITU falls under the control of the UN. At the UN, both the US and Europe have much less influence and control. By handing 'control of the Internet' over to the UN, the developed nations would run the risk of less developed nations using their new found control as a bargaining chip against the US/Europe in other matters.

      Personally, I don't really want to see the Internet become an issue that gets rolled into trade negotiations. The Europeans don't want to see ICANN folded into under the wings of the ITU. But they are fed up with the ways things are being run at ICANN, and holding up funding is just a temporary tactic designed to try and bring about some change at ICANN.

    4. Re:Question about ICANN's place in the world by Maserati · · Score: 2, Funny

      Funny, SCO isn't a member of ICANN...

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    5. Re:Question about ICANN's place in the world by Maxwell'sSilverLART · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why would a (I presume) for-profit corporation like ICANN be preferable to a system controlled by governments?

      If you don't like what the corporation is doing, you can stop paying. Try that with government.

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    6. Re:Question about ICANN's place in the world by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 3, Informative

      ``If you don't like what the corporation is doing, you can stop paying.''

      And then you also lose the service.

      ICANN is not quite in the same league as, say, newspapers. They provide services that cannot really be provided by more than one organization. You can't just switch. Therefore, competition won't work. I would say that government regulation is better than no control.

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  4. $15 million by Ianoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder how much of this has gone to lawyers who are defending them from the idiots over at Verisign?

    1. Re:$15 million by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "We also question the appropriateness of ICANN operating any Root Servers directly.... There are many in the community more suitably qualified to run the Root Servers than ICANN...."

      Makes you wonder whether CENTR is getting kickbacks from Verisign.

  5. Better off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's better than what the UN would charge for this (I shudder to think)

    1. Re:Better off by Khaed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, there's nothing wrong with the UN. (Linked story: UN troops buy sex from teenage refugees in Congo camp.)

  6. Good by UberOogie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Considering they only need $1 million to do their core duties, I'd be asking for a fairly detailed itemized bill before I fork over twice as much as last year with no increase in operating costs.

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  7. The internet will be fine.. by Tuvai · · Score: 3, Funny

    as long as Christmas Island coughs up its share of the bill

  8. Open source? by midifarm · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Does it really cost that much to run a bunch of DNS servers? Couldn't we have some sort of open source type community based DNS service for the world?

    Peace

  9. In other news by Sv1ad · · Score: 2, Funny

    ....the Internet is auctioned off to the highest bidder. Microsoft goes broke trying to out-bid McDonalds for control of the Internet....

  10. Hey by loyalsonofrutgers · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey, evil isn't cheap.

  11. Wow by arvindn · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ...without the rest of the world on side, ICANN is master of nothing but its own backyard. The International Telecommunication Union (ITU) has already made it clear that it would like to take over, and if ICANN can't get worldwide consensus, the ITU will be in a strong position.

    Could ICANN be committing suicide the way XFree86 did?

  12. Mexican stand-off??? by malia8888 · · Score: 3, Funny
    We have a Mexican stand-off and currently ICANN has more to lose. ®

    Two points here. 1. It appears given this letter/slapdown that ICANN now stands for ICANT-because-of-no-money

    2. "The Register" has forgotten its political correctness by referring to this problem as a "Mexican stand-off". Wow, the Mexican ambassador is going to be flaming them something fierce :P

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    1. Re:Mexican stand-off??? by ignipotentis · · Score: 4, Funny
      "The Register" has forgotten its political correctness

      When was the last time you read el Reg?
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  13. Re:Dr. Evil by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 3, Insightful

    True, $16 million dollars is nothing. So instead of calling people (in this case Europa) cheapskates you should look for other motives. This isn't about money, but control. CENTR obviously doesn't like what ICANN has become, and uses it's most effective way of pressuring ICANN to change.

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  14. Re:Dr. Evil by loyalsonofrutgers · · Score: 4, Insightful

    $16 million is plenty of money. I agree that it very comfortably falls into any "margin of waste" for governments, but it's hardly nothing. For instance, it's roughly the budget shortfall of my old school district that I went to high school in. If I was The World Community and had to decide between a specific appropriation so a bunch of bureaucrats could fly around on private corporate jets at public expense and funding the education of a few thousand children, I'd cut ICANN loose too.

  15. ICANN doesn't run DNS servers by 0x0d0a · · Score: 4, Informative

    ICANN doesn't run the DNS servers -- it's just reponsible for policy, assigning numbers and address ranges to avoid conflict, etc.

    I would guess that the costs go to pay for engineers who know what they're talking about.

    Of course, the ICANN meeting locations look like the typical VP-wants-to-tour-the-world-on-the-company-dollar deal.

    However, in general, while ICANN isn't perfect, I'd have to say that they're a lot more The Good Guys than, say, certain other folks...and their entire yearly budget is probably less than what certain other folks (*cough* Verisign) pick up through misleading or netabuse-encouraging sales in a week.

  16. ICANN Budget by dncsky1530 · · Score: 2, Informative
    ICANN 2004 Budget
    Main Points:
    • "Four years ago as part of the approval of the 1999-2000 budget, the Board stated: "It is the intention of the ICANN Board to create a reserve account of at least one year's operating expenditures, to be funded over several fiscal years." Approval by the Board of the 1999-2000 budget implied that the Board accepted this statement about the appropriate level of reserves."
    • 2002 .com domains: 33,333,000, 2003 .com domains: 31,819,000
    • An increase in both staffing and expenditures to accommodate the additional programmatic requirements imposed by the new reforms and the new bylaws, that is, the transition from ICANN 1.0 to ICANN 2.0. This would require up to an additional 10 FTE (see below).
  17. Hah... by cagle_.25 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Without us Sumerians, you wouldn't have writing! You hereby owe us 699.99 dinars per character ... no, wait, wrong joke ... umm... Soviet Russia ... no ... tinfoil hat ... forget it.

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  18. What if ICANN vanished? by Zeinfeld · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Personally, I don't really want to see the Internet become an issue that gets rolled into trade negotiations. The Europeans don't want to see ICANN folded into under the wings of the ITU. But they are fed up with the ways things are being run at ICANN, and holding up funding is just a temporary tactic designed to try and bring about some change at ICANN.

    Why not the UN? Do you have a major problem with the way that telephone numbers or satelite orbitals are allocated?

    The UN already decides whether a 'country' TLD should be created. The RFC deliberately ceedes that decision to the ISO country code committee. That is how Palestine has a country code.

    Very little would change if ICANN disappeared entirely. The IANA function is the sort of thing that could and should have been done using a database with a web interface. There really is not that much to assigning code points. OSI and Web services both have much better schemes (OIDs, URIs).

    The country codes would be managed in pretty much the same way as they are today by the same people. There would be no new non country TLDs but none of the new ones have been remotely successful. The holdup on services like the domain name waitlist would end but that will happen anyway.

    About all that would change is that the ICANN staff would not get paid and the farce of the ICANN conferences in obscure parts of the world would end.

    About the only thing that would change is that as an international treaty organization the ITU could not be sued.

    ICANN does actually have a point about the root servers. Only four of them survived the DDoS attack. Of the nine that went under some were pretty respectable. Others are worse than useless. The Internet depends on these servers, there is no excuse not to operate them at telco level reliability.

    The ITU is going to absorb ICANN in the end. It is just a matter of time.

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  19. ICANN, the destination resort by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative
    ICANN holds meetings as if it were some big-time international organization. It's Esther Dyson's "queen of the Internet" arrogance. They need to downgrade a bit. Here's their July meeting announcement:

    • You'll be guaranteed a tan this summer if you come to ICANN Kuala Lumpur which takes place from 19-23 July.

      Be a part of the meeting and enjoy the beauty and hospitality of Kuala Lumpur where the Malaysian Communications and Multimedia Commission (MCMC), will be your host. The meeting will take place in the award winning Shangri-La Hotel, Kuala Lumpur. Centrally located in KL's Golden Triangle the meeting venue is centrally located to allow guests easy access to the best of Kuala Lumpur's sights and sounds.

      Set against the vibrant backdrop of KL, ICANN Kuala Lumpur will also be an opportunity for you to meet, network and interact with the Malaysian communications and multimedia community and industry.

      So book your berth to ICANN Kuala Lumpur by registering early. ...

      There's always lots to see and do in Kuala Lumpur. KL really is the city that never sleeps. From late night latte to night clubs, from some of the world's best scuba diving spots to tropical jungle getaways and some of Asia's best golf courses, you'll find yourself spoilt for choice.

    They're all like that. The last four were in Rio, Montreal, Carthage, and Rome.

  20. Talk about inefficiency.... by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Europe sticks up two fingers at ICANN budget", while over here in the States, we can do the same job with only one.

  21. Name change by poohsuntzu · · Score: 2, Funny

    From ICANN to ICAN'T

    -dodges the incoming flames-

    It's early..

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  22. I have the solution by blair1q · · Score: 3, Funny


    Give the job back to Jon Postel.

    Improve efficiency immeasurably.