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Hi-speed USB2 Flash Drive Round-Up

An anonymous reader writes "Ars Technica has a USB 2.0 Flash drive review featuring 8 drives from different manufacturers. What's so interesting about the review is that not all Flash drives are created equal. Some have very unique features while some are clearly better than others. They also took a detailed look inside one of the drives as well as put two drives in a RAID-0 array (a la Mac OS X). Now that's cool!"

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  1. Putting USB flash drives... by technogeeky · · Score: 5, Funny

    in a raid array has to be the geekiest thing I've ever heard of. What is this world coming to?

    1. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by Adriax · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is quite a big geekier if you ask me.
      Striping floppies to get better speed and storage...

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    2. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by Kenja · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think the array of ZIP disks I built way back when was geeker.

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    3. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by garcia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you are planning on using them to write a large amount of data (here they used 500mb) for easy transport, I don't see why you wouldn't use a software RAID configuration.

      It is well known that software RAID usually produces about 2x the speed that you would have w/a traditional setup. USB drives aren't exactly fast as it is (2.0 is getting there though).

      I know plenty of people that use several 256MB drives to carry their data around. If RAID was this easy on any platform I would suggest they do the same thing.

    4. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by Pieroxy · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's geeky to want to have redundancy and retain data?

      No, but that's not what RAID-0 is all about. I think you must be confusing the different RAID standards. RAID-1 is redundancy, RAID-0 is speed.

    5. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by Adriax · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're thinking raid-1, mirroring. This is raid-0, striping.
      One drive goes (or even connect them incorrectly...), you lose everything without hope for recovery.

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    6. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by You+aren't+funny · · Score: 2, Informative

      No it doesn't.
      The "R" in "RAID" stands for "Redundant". RAID level 0 is called that because there is no redundancy.
      You could say RAID 0 so it isn't even really a RAID level. It is more like AID.

    7. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by ilikejam · · Score: 5, Funny

      So the 'R' is redundant then?

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    8. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by swb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not a terrible idea, in fact, it'd be cool if there was a RAID-5-type redundancy built into the storage device itself so that flash failures wouldn't shitcan the entire data store.

    9. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by Pieroxy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or simply TWNETOFABOFDIARA. The Worst Name Ever Tought Of For A Bunch Of F**g Drives In A Raid Array.

    10. Re:Putting USB flash drives... by echo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In Linux this is totally possible as the software raid stuff would store the raid configuration on sector 0 of the drive.

      I've done this sort of thing with CD-Rs..

      CD-ROM RAID Howto

  2. I flashed my USB once... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...damned schoolgirl called the cops. Who knew she could see it?

    On the playground?

    In a raincoat?

    I'm just saying...

  3. special features are useful but.. by patrick.whitlock · · Score: 5, Informative

    not always, in my office we share usb drives to save time, so far they're the handiest things i've found so far... but if you really need biomectrically locked drive that looks like an inkpen, go right ahead

  4. Durability/Reliability by rot26 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The issue of durability and/or reliability wasn't addressed in the review but I have to say that I was impressed as hell when my Cruzer-mini went through both my washer and dryer with no apparent effect. That was several months ago and it still works great.

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    1. Re:Durability/Reliability by IANAAC · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I've put my Viking through the washer and dryer twice and it still works nicely.

      The case has a vent in it, so water definitely passed through it.

    2. Re:Durability/Reliability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's to be expected, after all, to raid other villages by sea you have to be pretty durable. Still, I'm impressed you were able to cram him into the washer and dryer.

    3. Re:Durability/Reliability by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Informative
      I wish they had addressed the issue of reliability. I wouldn't have read the review if I had known that they skipped that. Frankly, we need a review of these flash drives that focuses -entirely- on reliability. What's the point of having a data storage device if when you need the data on it, you find the device broken beyond repair?

      I killed my Lexar JumpDrive "Secure" in about two months. My mother's class of about 15 people has killed somewhere around five of them in a semester. I don't know about the cause of failure in the others, but wIth mine, if you flex the heck out of it, you can sometimes get it to show up for a fraction of a second. In other words, the USB plug broke loose from the board inside.

      Needless to say, I don't intend to ever buy anything from them again. I'm not even going to bother getting them to repair it, since the replacement would seem to have about a 40% probability of failing in the first two months. Thus, I'm looking for a new flash drive from a new company, and my mother is looking for a new vendor to use for all the students in her class next year. Does anybody have any recommendations on low-power (keyboard-capable) flash drives that don't fall apart?

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    4. Re:Durability/Reliability by AnswerIs42 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      My Cruzer fell out of my pocket once.. and by the time I found it again, it had been driven over a few times.

      That was 9 months ago and it is still humming along nicely... gouges and all.

    5. Re:Durability/Reliability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Happened to me before. I had my slashdot cookie with my name and password stored on it..

    6. Re:Durability/Reliability by sharkey · · Score: 2, Funny

      Of course you can fit a Viking into the dryer. Check out how looks when you take him out.

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  5. Re:Which is which? by ePhil_One · · Score: 4, Informative
    -from the article- USB 2.0 now has three different signaling rates:

    Low Speed (1.5Mbps)
    Full Speed (12Mbps)
    Hi-Speed (480Mbps)

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  6. OS X Raid Array by INeededALogin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Gotta love it. Remember this guy. He used USB floppies in pretty much the same manner. I actually emailed him because I was curious about portability(traveling kind). Apparently all the raid information is stored on the drives so the entire raid array could be plugged into another machine and would work with no problems.

  7. MRAM by AnwerB · · Score: 5, Interesting

    NAND Flash is what's making this possible. It's denser and faster than NOR Flash.

    If you haven't heard of MRAM, that's definitely another technology to be on the lookout for. According to IBM and Infineon Technologies, it's supposed to start shipping this year.

    Basically, it has the density of DRAM, 15ns access time, and doesn't loses it's state even when powered down.

    Google turns up some articles: here, here, and here.

    1. Re:MRAM by AnwerB · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > but would the usb port be able to supply enough juice

      MRAM stands for magnetic RAM, so it takes no energy whatsoever to keep it's state. It only needs energy to read and write, and even if this is happening at an astoundingly high 5% duty-cycle, it's still only a fraction of the energy required to run other forms of RAM.

      MRAM is very good for things like cell phones and handhelds.

  8. Encryption with specification is pretty useless by YetAnotherName · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Regarding the SanDisk Cruzer Mini, Ars Technica mentions:

    Unfortunately, we were unable to ascertain the type and strength of encryption.

    Apparently, even the product packaging neglects to mention it. Neither is it listed on SanDisk's website. It could be as simple as rot-13 or as complex as multiple cascading one-way secure pads with quantum elliptical entanglements. Do you dare probe further to figure out what it's doing? Certainly not; you could well violate the DMCA.

    1. Re:Encryption with specification is pretty useless by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 5, Funny

      I believe it's rot-26 encryption. I've heard that the next model will support rot-52, but they're not for export.

  9. almost there by nizo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now all we need is a small motherboard, lcd display + keyboard + network card, and we have a nice (cheap?) QUIET portable xterminal.

  10. Here's the summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    I hate when they put the article on multiple web pages. Even Tom's Hardware allows you direct access to the last page. Anyway, here's the conclusion:

    Conclusion

    When we started this review, we only had an inkling of what we might come up with. By the time we finished, our perception that USB drives were a commodity was completely erased. While every USB Flash drive is essentially the same in that they carry data, they are all slightly different and not every drive will meet everyone's needs.

    Drive summaries

    PNY Attache: As drives go, this one was stylish and sturdy. It comes with a full assortment of accessories, including the USB extension cable and a neck strap. Aside from that, the drive itself is a rather lackluster offering. While much faster than any USB 1.1 device, the read and write speeds are rather slow for Hi-speed USB. The other unfortunate thing about this drive is the lack of extra software outside of the Windows 98 drivers. While it may be possible to find this drive for as little as US$15 to US$20 (after Mail-in-Rebate), it typically goes for US$30+. That is too expensive for such a mediocre drive. --- Score = 5/10

    SanDisk Cruzer Mini: Of all the drives in this review, this drive is the thinnest. Some might even call it sexy, but we would not go that far. Unlike most other drives, it does not block dual-stacked USB ports in the slightest. Other positive things include the excellent LED visibility, good read/write scores, and it even works in unpowered USB hubs. Even the CruzerLock encryption software was solid and pretty easy to use. Some complaints would be the lack of a write-protect switch and that the plastic loop for the lanyard is rather weak. (It's fine for hanging around your neck, but it certainly is not load bearing in the least.) That said, the prices found for the 128, 256, and 512MB models make this a good deal. --- Score = 8/10

    Mushkin Flashkin: We had mixed feelings about this drive. On one hand it offered a full complement of accessories and features, such as the standard neck strap, USB extension cable, write-protect switch, security software and it even worked in unpowered USB hubs. Yet despite this, everything about the drive felt like it was cheaply made and the security software felt like it was coded as an afterthought. The plastic body was very bulky and felt extremely hollow. On top of this, the slow read/write performance was troubling and the one-year warranty made us wonder how long this drive would last. Overall, the drive is not that bad, but what really lowered the score is that the price for the drive is more expensive than most of the other drives (which are notably better equipped.) --- Score = 6/10

    SimpleTech Bonzai Xpress: This drive has the best physical design of the bunch. It is both strong and sturdy, yet still compact and a comfortable to carry. While it does not come with a USB extension, it does have a write-protect switch and some very helpful file synchronization software. What makes this USB drive especially nice is the strong read/write speeds, the solid two-year warranty, and the very nice price (considering how much is included.) --- Score = 9/10

    Fujifilm USB Drive 2.0: Two words: speed demon. Without a doubt, this drive is fast! With top read speeds reaching 8.5MB/sec and write performance that destroyed the competition, this drive is perfect for anybody who is impatient or never seems to have enough time. Unfortunately, this drive has its drawbacks. The drive is the largest of the bunch, has no accessories included, no write-protect switch, no low-power support, and a higher price than most. Fortunately, it does come with decent security software and a lifetime warranty. --- Score = 8/10

    Verbatim Store 'n' Go: In a nutshell, this drive was consistently above average. Never spectacular, but never terrible either. Read/Write performance is definitely strong, but nothing amazing. It comes equipped with neck strap, USB extension

  11. Strapping 1GB around your neck by kyoko21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, for those that are interested in the 'bulk' data, you can pickup a 1GB SanDisk Cruzer Mini for only $162 after an instant rebate...

    http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/m as terid=1956584/search=1gb%20usb

    1. Re:Strapping 1GB around your neck by kyoko21 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      With the 1GB, you can download the est.fa.gz file which is all the sequences of all human ESTs in Genbank deposited as of 4 Nov, 2003. (Now you can carry your own copy of DNA with you). Only a whopping 958MB.

  12. How about... by jwr · · Score: 5, Informative

    How about fixing USB 1.1 support in Linux first?

    USB must be the crappiest kernel subsystem in existence: I can crash 2.4 in a number of ways just by plugging in and removing USB devices. Bug reports are being ignored, sometimes people sugggest moving to 2.6.

    Well, 2.6 freezes dead hard when I plug in my USB audio device.

    USB is the primary reason for the short (several days) uptime on my laptop.

    1. Re:How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      SHHHHH! Don't say that.

      Linux is good, Linux is great. We surrender our will, as of this date.

      Linux is good, Linux is great. We surrender our will, as of this date.

      Linux is good, Linux is great. We surrender our will, as of this date.

    2. Re:How about... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Informative

      My journal has the full details, but the problem is that it occasionally locks up after a period of use. The scary part is that the problem is well known, but no one has done anything about it. In fact, most people who complain about the problem are silently ignored.

  13. Thou Shalt Not Use GIF for Screenshots! by green+pizza · · Score: 2, Funny

    Thou Shalt Not Use GIF for Screenshots!

    http://arstechnica.com/reviews/004/flash/RAID0.gif

    GIF really makes that screenshot look bad. The gradent in the window bar was reduced to just two colors and the icons and RAID tab are a dithered mess.

  14. Fuji flash drive by chiph · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've had a 256mb Fuji for 18 months now, and a 8mb DiskOnKey for 2 years before that (the Fuji is a re-branded DiskOnKey drive). The complaints from Ars Technica are only valid if you keep your flash drive on a lanyard. As I can't stand anything hanging off my neck (too much like a tie!), I keep mine clipped to my keyring. I've never had it come unclipped, nor have I lost the drive part (the clip is on the cover, not the drive itself). In fact, having the clip on the cover is very useful, as I can leave it connected to my keyring while the drive is in use.

    I'm surprised the review didn't cover performance under GnuPG and PGP -- I keep my keyrings on it, as well as my Quicken backups. Plus tons of room left for mp3s to listen while at work. The SiSoft benchmarks are nice, but I'd like to know how slow/fast they are relative to an IDE drive.

    Chip H.

    1. Re:Fuji flash drive by ericspinder · · Score: 2, Informative

      I keep my flash drive on my keychain, but the loop is on the drive, and for a while it didn't seem like a good idea. Then I thought of using a keychain separator (I found this after a quick seach to show what they look like, you can find one at home depot). Now it works great and I don't have to worry about loosing everything but the cap.

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  15. Despite appearances, I am not a shill. by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 2, Funny

    But I'm wondering if they reviewed anything that was inside of this little beastie.

    And if what some of the above posters have put up about washer/dryer incidents is true, you can STILL take it into the bath with you!

  16. Re:RAID Array? Afraid not... by Feynman · · Score: 2, Funny
    This seems to show some of the microsoft influence, where every storage medium plugged into the PC is defined as a disk drive.

    . . . as opposed to the UNIX influence, where everything is defined as a file.

  17. I hate neck strap that is connected to the cap/lid by antdude · · Score: 3, Informative

    If the cap/lid comes off, there goes your USB Flash HDD! SanDisk and others are smart to put on the Flash drive, not the cap/lid! My 512 GB PNY brand (not the same one in the article) has it on the cap! I don't bother to wear it on my neck anymore since I can lose it easily.

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  18. Can you dual boot a bootable USB drive? by DroppedAtBirth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Can you dual boot a bootable USB drive? Sounds like a fun way to waste a few hours....

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  19. Re:Where's the MUVO TX? by Ann+Elk · · Score: 2, Informative

    FWIW: I have a MUVO NX (128MB, USB 1.1) and it rocks! The sound quality is great, I get at least 20 hours of play time on a single rechargable AAA battery, it's small, and durable. My only complaint is the headphones seem to be designed to tangle their wires as quickly as possible.

    The MUVO TX was announced about a week after I bought my NX. Such is life with technology. Grrr....

  20. "Very Unique" by jmichaelg · · Score: 4, Informative
    Something is either unique or it isn't. Saying "Very Unique" is like saying "very one of a kind."

    You'd think this place was run by /. editors or sumptin.

  21. Does write protect work with Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I noticed that some of these flash drives have "write protect". However, I noticed that some manufacturers claim that Linux cannot use the write protect functionality:

    " When you put the write-protect switch to "ON" position, you cannot write any file or data into the device. You still can view and read the files and data in the device. You can switch the "Write-Protect" switch even you do not disconnect the device. Due to Linux OS limitation, the write-protect switch will not work on-line."

    Flash drive manual

    But I see in status messages when people plug in the flash drives that it says "write protect is off".

    Does anyone have experience with these products in Linux and whether write protect works with the flash drive connected?

  22. Re:Stop with the fucking Mac zeaotry by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 2, Funny

    Okay, troll. I normally don't read down at these depths, but since I had mod points which I'm now not going to use in this thread...

    Riddle me this, asswipe. I have a hard drive in a computer. Let's say it's running Linux. Let's say I get another hard drive and I want to make it RAID 1 (mirrored) with the first drive. It's a 30 second operation in OS X, a 30 second operation in NT, a 60 second option in Win2k (gotta make it dynamic first).

    How long will this operation take in Linux? Yes, you can use all three mouse buttons, and no, I don't have a backup....

  23. pqi by austad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wish they had tested the PQI Intelligent Stick. It's the smallest drive around and looks pretty sweet. Pricing isn't bad either if you look on Froogle.

    I guess I could always pick one up and return it if it sucks. But really, how much could it possibly suck as long as it works? I can't imagine I'm going to get horrible transfer speeds with it.

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    1. Re:pqi by mclove · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I have two, they seem quite fast (significantly faster than my Lexar JumpDrive 2.0 anyway, though this is very unscientific) and have been very reliable so far. Plus you can get a little USB drive holder for them that gives you a belt clip and a more standard USB connector (though I haven't encountered a computer yet that won't work with the built-in one) - even in the holder they're still smaller than most other USB drives.


      The one problem I've found is that they can be kind of difficult to carry around safely - you'd think that the small size would be an advantage, but without any good way to put them on a keychain it's really not. And they're sufficiently thin (and the plastic casing sufficiently weak) that I'd be a little worried about carrying them around without a sturdy plastic case, which sort of defeats the whole purpose of having a drive that small. Oh, and they're very very easy to lose.


      Still, if you're willing to treat them like you'd treat SD cards or other such devices, they can be a great way to carry around a lot of data in a really tiny package. It's just that for everyday tasks of backing up and shuttling data around you might be better off with something larger and more durable.

  24. Re:Win95 by Halvard · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, Win95 OEM SR2 was the first to support USB without third party support. It's commonly called Win95B.

  25. Re:Which is which? by ericspinder · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I always thought it was funny that the "full speed" wasn't actually USB 2.0's full speed, but more like one-fiftieth speed.
    Typical short sighted naming problem. Full speed, was the "full speed" of the older spec, but now we have hi-speed thanks to the 2.0 spec. So for USB 3.0 we'll have "super speed" (or whatever they call it) ,as well as supporting "hi-speed", "full speed" and "low speed". The real problem is that they can call a drive "USB 2.0" and only support up to the "full speed" of the 1.0 spec.
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  26. Style.. (slightly OT) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I actually got in to discussion today about people wearing usb sticks in a neck strap.

    Seems like there would be a considerable market niche for stylish sticks. None of the drives I've seen look ugly but it would be nice to see some real variety. Something little bit more unique.


    So does anyone make something "special"..?

  27. Re:Size? by stevel · · Score: 2

    Um, yes, the article did mention the impact of size on stacked ports. Several times in fact.

  28. Re:Where's the MUVO TX? by Deffexor · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, we didn't ignore it. The article was focused strictly on Hi-speed USB 2.0 Flash drives. I don't know if you're aware of how many USB devices there are on the market, but there are a ton. If we had included the Muvo TX, then we would have had to include like a hundred other devices.

    Anyway, we are planning a follow-up article which will feature more exotic USB devices such as the one you mentioned.

    Cheers!

  29. Re:Win95 by default+luser · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, you're thinking of OSR 2.5 that comes with USB and AGP support.

    Win95b (OSR 2.0) only added FAT32 and other minor improvements. It does not support USB without a patch.

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  30. Re:Kanguru skipped? by Deffexor · · Score: 4, Informative

    We didn't review it for a few reasons.
    1) We wanted to focus on USB 2.0 Hi-speed devices (the link you have is for the slower "full speed" - a.k.a USB 1.1)
    2) We wanted embedded memory drives only. Upgradable models would have made the article more confusing.

    But don't worry, we have a follow-up article in the works that will feature more exotic devices.

  31. Re:Reliablity? by SquadBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a floppy replacement they are great. I've had mine since the middle of Janurary. My kids have gotten ahold of it a few times and it has survived that I used to carry it in my pocket now I just carry it in my bag it seens to work fine. But here is the thing that you mentioned that is just what it is a a floppy/burning less than 256 meg to a cd replacement. For example I use mine to carry music between work and home. I use it to grab config files off of machines that are on another network/domain. I use it for putting VPN clients on lusers machines that aren't on the network. In short I use it for temporary storage and transfer where doing it that way is faster/easier than doing it over the network. Sometimes I do it just to impress chicks. :) But I would never use it for long term storage of anything I care about and don't have in another spot, they just aren't designed for that. But then again back in the day I know plenty of folks who would do just that with floppies.

    Wish I could get work to buy me another one. :) Count your blessings.

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  32. Knoppix media alternative? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How about selling something like Knoppix on a USB drive? It'd boot faster, fit in your pocket, not need a CDROM drive, allow for customization by being re-writable, and you could keep some of your data files on it. Even better, if you eventually decide that you don't want to use Knoppix, you get a handy USB drive...

  33. Re:Like to see a roundup of multi devices (mp3 voi by Fragmented_Datagram · · Score: 2, Informative

    I love my MuVo. It's small and works great with Linux. You can store any file on it, but only MP3 or WMA files show up in the song list. The MuVo NX and the MuVo TX look good too if you need more storage capacity.

  34. The article misses a key point - real size by frovingslosh · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I've played around with a number of different USB1.1 and USB 2.0 flash drives, and one thing that I was looking for when I read this article (yea, I read it) was the real size of the different devices. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to have been covered.

    You would think that if it's a 256meg drive then you would know the size, 256 megs, right? But marketing has struck again, I've found that 32 meg drivs I have actually seem to have about 30 megs of space on them, and vary by drive. A 64 meg device is also short several megs (as are some flash cards I have). I would have found it really handy if the reviewer had bothered to tell us how much space each of these devices really delivers.

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  35. Jaz Raid! by Foxxz · · Score: 2, Funny

    I built a RAID5 array from jaz drives! It was the only way to get ANY reliability out of them! :D

    -Foxxz

  36. Your pedanticism nets you nothing by Crag · · Score: 2

    Every object in the universe is unique, for if two objects were identical in every way, they would be the same object. Furthermore, no objects are unique because they all have something in common with every other object: they are all unique.

    Degrees of uniqueness exist because there are different contexts for evaluating an object's differences from its peers. Every evaluation has a context within which it has more than two degrees.

    If one in a billion oranges looks like Elvis, that's pretty unique. If one in a billion of those Elvis-shaped oranges is a life-sized bust of The King, that's an extremely unique orange. The uniqueness of the non-bust Elvis oranges is not undermined by discovering another instance because within the context of people's knowledge of oranges, two Elvis oranges would be rare enough as to be unique from an individual's point of view.

    Absolute uniqueness is only a useful concept in abstract contexts like math and philosophy. In the real world we use the word loosely within implicit or explicit contexts which give the seemingly redundant expression 'very unique' a meaning which is different from other degrees of uniqueness.

    People who fall into this trap often also argue that

    * Black is not a color (it is not a hue, but it is a color)
    * Zero is not a number (it is not a counting number, but it is a number)
    * A logical statement must either be true, false, or a paradox (it depends on what you mean by 'logical', 'statement', 'true', etc.)

    So yes, something can be 'very unique', or only 'slightly unique'.

  37. Suggested new USB speed names. by Nick+Driver · · Score: 2, Funny
    Full speed, was the "full speed" of the older spec, but now we have hi-speed thanks to the 2.0 spec. So for USB 3.0 we'll have "super speed" (or whatever they call it

    Personally, I think they should all be renamed to the following:
    • Double Speed
    • Multi Speed
    • Mega Speed
    • Ultra Speed
    • Monster Speed
    • Lu-Lu-Lu-Ludicrous Speed, and finally...
    • HOLY SH*T SPEED

  38. Victorinox, now truely a geek tool by val1s · · Score: 2, Informative

    The official Swiss Army Knife company has come out with a USB flash drive enabled Knife. If I didnt already own a SanDisk this would be the one I'd get. They seem to be decently priced for Victorinox at $70 for 64 megs. http://www.victorinox.com/newsite/en/news/news_swi ssmemory.htm -val1s