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The Wireless Backpack Repeater

Andy Laurence writes "So, you've decided to do a webcast around the streets of Bristol, but your puny wireless NIC isn't up to it? You need the ultimate wireless repeater! Built from an old backpack, a lead acid battery, a Linksys wireless device, and a rather scary antenna, this wireless repeater will get you webcasting from over a mile away." You'd definitely burn extra calories hiking with that thing.

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  1. Wondering... by infofreako · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was wondering how we could do remotes with our new 80s radio station!

    Thanks.

    -nfo

  2. As a bonus... by OhHellWithIt · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... you won't have to worry about being mugged for it. The police will be watching far too closely.

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    1. Re:As a bonus... by NeoThermic · · Score: 2, Funny

      >>you won't have to worry about being mugged for it.

      And even if you did get mugged for it, a laptop and some wireless network scanning software of your choice, and you could track them down for it back!

      NeoThermic

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    2. Re:As a bonus... by cybermage · · Score: 3, Funny

      The police will be watching far too closely.

      Yeah, I'd stay away from government buildings with it unless you like guns pointed at you.

      "Giant backpack with antenna ... hmmm ... I think I'll shoot him before he gets too close"

  3. Solar? by DrewBeavis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder if here in Florida we could rig up a solar panel that makes enough power for this rig. That would make it lighter... but it might not work in places with less sun. Maybe a smaller battery and the solar panel?

    1. Re:Solar? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Informative

      My AP's AC->DC power supply is rated to 1A output at 12V . That is 12W. Given that sunlight is about 2kW/m^2 on a bright sunny day, and assuming a 10% conversion efficiency out of a panel (I think some are 15%), you might only need a panel that is about 25cm by 25cm. It is not all that large.

      Say you buy a 30cm x 30cm panel that generates current at 12V and buy small battery pack to store charge in the bright spots and to supplement power when a cloud passes, I think it could easily be done.

      I've been thinking of doing a "portable" repeater setup, but using a parabolic dish to bring a wireless connection a kilometer from the base station. I've done a basic proof of reception, I just need to build something like that.

    2. Re:Solar? by matty619 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      You could at least cut down on battery size, although you would still need a battery. We have a solar powered repeater running right now on a rooftop in downtown San Diego. Details including pictures are here

      We used 2 6 volt 220 Ah trojan deep cycle batteries wired in series for 12 volts and a 65 watt solar panel.

      This was all to power a soekris board which only draws about .3 of an amp. So even without the sun, it would run for something like 6 weeks.

      But we plan on many more of these, specifically on mountain tops where there isn't power. This one was mainly as a test, but it's been up rock solid for about 2 or 3 months now.

      -M@

  4. Hey, what's that smell? by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 4, Funny
    You'd definitely burn extra calories hiking with that thing.

    ...especially if the lead-acid battery leaks.

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  5. More details on power? by Quixote · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Some more details about the power connection (12v DC to the Linksys) would be nice. Anyone have any ideas? I'm not an EE, so please don't flame me crisp for asking...

    1. Re:More details on power? by tim_mathews · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, according to the manual for the router it takes 12VDC and the connector is + Tip, that is the positive wire goes to the inside part of the plug. So no special electronics, just wire from the battery to the router. The manual also says that the router draws 1.0amp, so I'd put a 1.5 - 2 amp fuse in line as well. The router probably has an internal fuse, but for an extra $0.50 why not?

    2. Re:More details on power? by chimpo13 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Man, I'd love to try this when I'm riding round the world on a tiny (250cc) motorcycle. Can't power anything with the bike's magneto though. It'd be great to have a webcast run through a satellite phone. That way /.'ers could watch me die of thirst in the Outback while bitching about my connection and what version of linux I should've been using.

    3. Re:More details on power? by DamnYankee · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually V1.0 WRT54G's use a 5V 2A power supply. V1.1, 2.0 and WRT54GS models use 12V 1A.

      Unfortunately they use the same power connector so some unfortunate folks have watched a V1.0 go up in smoke when they mixed up the power supplies.

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  6. And then! by NeoThermic · · Score: 2, Funny

    >>You need [...] a Linksys wireless device

    so now users can hack your rotuer as well with this article!
    Joy!

    NeoThermic

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  7. Re:Which Bristol? by haluness · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually I think its about Bristol in England

  8. Nope... by Mz6 · · Score: 5, Informative
    After going to Bristol Wireless' webpage I highly doubt this is a USA address.

    8 Bannerman Buildings,
    Bannerman Road,
    Easton
    Bristol
    BS5 0RR

    Telephone
    0117 9025247

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    1. Re:Nope... by timeOday · · Score: 2, Funny
      After going to Bristol Wireless' webpage I highly doubt this is a USA address.
      And more conclusively, the story contained the word "whilst."

      Come on Brits, that ain't a word.

  9. Re:Which Bristol? by Patik · · Score: 2, Informative

    I thought of Bristol, Connecticut, the home of ESPN. Had to look it up, and apparently it's in England.

  10. Not to mention by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 5, Funny
    You'd definitely burn extra calories hiking with that thing.

    what else would burn, when someone DoS's you, the router overloads the battery, and the acid leaks all over your back.

    1. Re:Not to mention by JohnnyComeLately · · Score: 2, Funny
      ahhh man, you beat me to the punch on that joke. I was going to say:

      Famous last words before entering the ER room for 3rd degree chemical burns....
      "Hey, why does my @$$ feel like it's on fire?"

      Ever get cold? Invite a hacker to hit you with a few "Pings of Death" and bask in the warmth of your router tx/rx all the requests.

  11. burning by musikit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "You'd definitely burn extra calories hiking with that thing."

    you'd definately be urning something. cancer/lightning stick on your back? i hope you were you lead hat as opposed to your tin foil to add more shielding

  12. What about cancer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    People were concerned about holding cell phones close to their brains due to the risk of tumors. Isn't this thing going to fry your brain?

    1. Re:What about cancer? by RealErmine · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Isn't this thing going to fry your brain?

      People need to look up the definition of non-ionizing radiation. For comparison also look up ionizing radiation. Exposure to non-ionizing radiaton does not have a cumulative effect over your lifetime. This (or your cell phone) is no more harmful to you than the local rock station broadcasting their signal.

      The worst thing that can happen from this kind of radiation is everyday, non-mutating burning (like your microwave), but the low power from the repeater won't do that.

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    2. Re:What about cancer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's interesting that the link on non-ionizing radiation mentions that UV falls into that spectrum. UV can damage DNA and cause skin cancer, right? I'm confused then why non-ionizing radiation would be considered risk free? I'm sure you're probably right, I'm just interested in a more detailed explanation.

  13. Police Interest by Cheeko · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know about them, but I'd be worried about the interest of the authorities if I was walking around wearing this. You might get mistaken for a terrorist or some such. Its definately a cool idea, but it would be even cooler if it could be done in an inconspicuous manner, though that might be tough with the antenna.

  14. never put a car battery on your back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just a tip, in case you were thinking of trying.
    I built something I called "loud backpack" once. It consisted of a 1/4" mic jack, 2 12" speakers, an amp, and a car battery.
    On a particularly warm day, my back started to itch, and it took a while before I realized that it was battery acid leaking through the padding, my shirt, and onto my back.
    Ran to the shower, falling once to scrape my knees, and immediately doused myself with water. Well, don't forget what they said about adding water to acid in high school chemistry class like I did... it burns!
    Anyways, amusing anecdote.. do not try at home!

    1. Re:never put a car battery on your back! by IncarnadineConor · · Score: 3, Funny

      You just ruined a terribly funny follow up story by telling people this. Shame on you.

    2. Re:never put a car battery on your back! by ajlitt · · Score: 3, Informative

      Looks like the guy in the article is using a sealed lead-acid cell. These are no more likely to leak than a standard NiMH cell, and NiMH usually uses a potassium hydroxide electrolyte which is somewhat more dangerous to get on your skin.

    3. Re:never put a car battery on your back! by n17ikh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hate to break it to you, but the reason they tell you to never add water to acid is because it can cause an explosive reaction if there isn't enough water to damp the reaction, not because it burns. The burning sensation was just from you "waking up" (for lack of a better term) your deadened nerves when you splashed water on them. The burning sensation was already there, you just couldn't feel it ;)

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  15. I'm much more interested... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...in the possibilities of a dynamic WiFi network built out of electronic devices in close proximity. It would present a great number of engineering difficulties, but the payoff would be complete internet coverage anywhere in the world. ... Well, at least anywhere there's other people present to relay the packets.

    Hmm... I think there'd need to be a way of identifying open Internet points. Phones, laptops, etc. near these points would then need to broadcast their access. When a device receives a packet, it should know enough to accept or reject the route based on its current network uplinks. Bandwidth could present a problem, especially since a ton of small packet messages would be necessary to identify the current status of a given device.

    Anyone know of research that's currently being done in this area?

    1. Re:I'm much more interested... by sploxx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, and I was interested since I had my first grasp of TCP/IP, packet switching and all that.

      I imagined every house with free space optical (FSO) devices on top of it+a router, long distance would be the last task for phone companies/ISPs. But sadly, it didn't happen.

      Maybe the telcos are trying to prevent that? Maybe people are too lazy and too stupid to grasp the whole idea? Remember, you'd have to convince many people to 'relay' packets before such a network gets usable. I don't really know, but IMHO it is both technically and socially superior. (Promotes local exchange etc.)

      Anyway, appropiate routing protocols and also research exists nowadays:
      Manet routing protocols, IETF
      Fleetnet, mobile adhoc for cars (very interesting!)

      Maybe I'm pessimistic, but I think you'd pay
      a fee in such a network, even if you only exchange
      data between you and your neighbour (the telcos want to live, right?).

    2. Re:I'm much more interested... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the biggest problem is signal strength/range.

      Oddly enough, I see that as only a minor problem. In a typical city, people are close enough that Bluetooth connections would be sufficient. Here are a few of the problems I see:

      1. The various networking theories still apply. Thus the network will introduce more and more latency as it grows, and the bandwidth used to keep the network up to date will eventually cause problems. This is a very similar problem to the one of GNUTella, which eventually experienced a network collapse.

      2. Routing is a difficult issue to handle. Do you spam every packet to every nearby device until it makes it through? The overhead in this approach would be extraordinary. Thus a more intelligent algo must be used. Perhaps the nearest Internet connection point could provide some form of network organization from its vantage point?

      3. Power, the antagonist of every electronic device. Phones currently spend a minor amount of power maintaining an established connection. What would happen to a device's power supply if it were suddenly required to handle all sorts of packet communications and network updates?

      Those are a few on my thoughts, anyway.

      BTW, it seems I'm an enemy of yours. What did I ever do to deserve that?

  16. Script Children Rejoice! by turminalillness · · Score: 4, Funny

    I sure hope he has ports 80 & 443 forwarded.

  17. That'll attract the women... by ardent · · Score: 4, Funny

    nuff said

  18. Heating issues? by c0bw3b · · Score: 2, Funny

    I found that my Linksys WAP11 had major problems when I had a router stacked on top of it, I wonder if these guys have had any problems with heating?

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  19. Probably not much involved. by Otto · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Linksys box probably gets 12VDC from its AC power adapter... So I doubt there's a whole lot in the way of electronics involved except for something to limit the current flow and thus not fry the thing.. And all you need for that is the right resistor.

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  20. Ghostbusters by sklib · · Score: 4, Funny

    The first thing that popped into my mind when i saw that backpack:

    DON'T CROSS THE STREAMS

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  21. Gargoyles by thesupermikey · · Score: 2, Funny

    Another step in building my gargoyle suit!!

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  22. Scary antenna?? That's no scary antenna.. by the_rajah · · Score: 2, Funny

    They should see my car with the 3 ham radio antennas on it. Looks like an old Soviet "fishing" trawler. That's scary. Or a stack of single-band multi-element yagi beams for all the HF bands.

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  23. Re:Dupe... by tvh2k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's times like these that I wish we had a "-1 Dumbass" moderation choice.

  24. Front page news? by scosol · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Some guy hooks an antenna to an access point, and uses a battery instead of an AC adapter?

    Come on guys...

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  25. Well, times are changing by digitalgimpus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Way back when, it used to be a sign that said "kick me".

    Now even that went digital.

  26. Lead acid? by flying_monkies · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why not go Sealed Lead Acid or, if you want to save some weight nicads/nimh?

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  27. Wimp by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 3, Funny

    Good God, what a wimpy battery. It looks like something from a motorcycle, and a small one at that.

    When I was in high school during the height of the CB craze, a kid I knew wired up a full-size truck battery to a CB, mounted it all on a gigantic aluminum backpack frame, and topped it off with a 12-foot whip antenna. The whole contraption probably weighed fifty pounds and brought him all the attention he presumably wanted as he wandered around baseball games wearing the thing, talking on the radio.

    The funniest thing? That skinny little kid was about 5 foot nothin' and weighed maybe 90 pounds. The whole rig looked like it was wearing him.

    1. Re:Wimp by elem · · Score: 3, Funny
      The funniest thing? That skinny little kid was about 5 foot nothin' and weighed maybe 90 pounds. The whole rig looked like it was wearing him.

      *sigh*

      In Soviet Russia....

  28. Fun with backpack batteries by switcha · · Score: 2, Funny
    I know a kid who had a side gig making a few bucks parading downtown in a huge inflatable sandwich handing out coupons for a big sandwich chain. There was a little fan and motor (to keep the 6 foot tall sandwich inflated) and a battery.

    One day, the battery started leaking and getting extremely hot. He stripped off the outfit just in time to avoid any heat or chemical burns, but about half the suit was reduced to a molten pile of plastic.

    If you ever need a laugh, check out a toasted 6 foot sub outfit (and no, this wasn't Quizno's *baddum-ching*)

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  29. Thanks for the vote of confidence! by SamSim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, that's our ultimate intention.

  30. Re:Microwave fresh! by DustMagnet · · Score: 4, Informative
    The resonant frequency of water is somewhere around 2450 Megahertz.

    This is a myth. From the The Straight Dope:

    Contrary to what many think, the frequency at which microwave ovens operate, 2.45 GHz, is not tuned to the maximum absorption frequency of water. That frequency is actually closer to 10 GHz, and if ovens operated there, food would be heated even less inside, since the bulk of the radiation would be absorbed at or near the surface due to the short wavelength.
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  31. Re:Alternative Batteries by jridley · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's not unsafe, it's a gel cell. They can run upside down or any other position for years and will not leak. The only potential problem is that if you short it out it'll get damn hot, but any decent battery will do that.
    Try it with Lithium Ion (from a safe distance) - they will explode when shorted. By comparison, lead-acid gel cells are tame.

  32. Re:Why not use pringles cans? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2, Informative

    Unfortunately, pissing off the right person can land you with a very large fine. In the US, the FCC has rules on this stuff, because WiFi devices fall under Part 15.

    Omnidirectional antennae (if built to the letter of the law) can only have a limited amount of gain (dependant upon the power output of the radio itself, as it's measured using dBi), where directionals can have more gain because of the limited directional scope.

    At any rate, doing the math when building an antenna is essential, because the government doesn't find ignorance of the law to be a sufficient excuse. Want more info? Here's a link.

    No, you can't build a 50' collinear array legally.

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  33. Re:Microwave fresh! by rcw-home · · Score: 2, Funny
    Essentially this backpack will slowly cook you.

    Yes, it will pump maybe a tenth of its power (perhaps 100mW, tops, so 10mW) into you, which will be converted to heat, cooking you.

    Some other things that you should avoid would be flashlights, which can pump upwards of a watt of very concentrated RF into you, or even worse, the sun, which is capable of directing over 500 watts your way, burning you and contributing to your cancer risk!

    To prevent this, you should stay away from all electronic devices, especially communication devices, as even an LED or computer monitor may exceed 10mW of radiated power. After all, we want you to live as long as possible. Without hearing from you ever again.