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Linux Today Founder Calls for Boycott of Linux Today

dave writes "I founded and managed Linux Today in 1998, bringing it up from nothing into the most powerful and large Linux news website in the world, in less than a year. I am now calling on the Linux community to boycott my creation until its current owners stop accepting money from Microsoft to publish blatantly anti-Linux/pro-Microsoft ads."

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  1. Ads on Slashdot by ziondreams · · Score: 5, Interesting


    I was shocked to find the very same ads mentioned in the article on this site a while back. I've always thought of /. as a very pro-linux community...let alone the OSDN, who, I'm assuming serves the ads.

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    1. Re:Ads on Slashdot by t--f-c · · Score: 5, Informative

      agreed, I've been noticing the "informative" ads on here recently regarding TCO of MS vs Linux and all sorts of other make me gag FUD, but I was wondering just how much control the people selling the ad-space (i.e. Linux Today and /.) have in the content, vs the ad buyers who can possibly dictate which websites they get served on... I have no experience in this arena, but I imagine it isn't a terribly far stretched idea to see a request of ads on certain websites from ad time buyers..

    2. Re:Ads on Slashdot by steve_l · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What irritates me is when amazon do it. On my own book. There is a sponsored link on my book pointing people at the TCO comparisons -the one we know were so unbiased.

      Can I get the links taken down? nope, they pay, they get. All I can do is make sure the next edition has no support for Windows whatsoever.

    3. Re:Ads on Slashdot by Openstandards.net · · Score: 5, Insightful
      So, free speech now means being silent when corporate cash is used to spread FUD diluting the truth?

      Boycotting is speech and democracy combined.

    4. Re:Ads on Slashdot by Openstandards.net · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I believe there's a difference between ads selling a product or service that is unpopular, and ads that deliberately spread fud to counter the purpose and energies put into the community the site supports.

      Would you want to support a pro-life site that had advertisements for Planned Parenthood? How about a cancer victim support site with cigarette ads?

    5. Re:Ads on Slashdot by Davgeary · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I find the call for a boycott astounding. Do we not want people to try the different options available to them and decide which is superior?

      Are we so unsure of the superiority of Linux that we believe that a simple banner ad could derail that process of testing and deciding? All the banner ads in the world won't change the basic truths of how things work. I use WinXP at work, because that's what they choose. I use RedHat at home, because that's what I choose. More information is always better than less information when it comes to making decisions.

      Dave G.

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    6. Re:Ads on Slashdot by Sean80 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      You could not physically be more wrong. Recently, one of the larger television stations refused to air one of MoveOn.orgs advertisements. Political reasons. As we all know, Disney also refused to distribute Fahrenheit 9/11. The list could go on and on. One person's FUD is another person's truth. You can't like free speech when it works for you, and hate it when it doesn't. It's as simple as that. Who decides what's truth here? You? What if Microsoft is actually right? And if you think that's anything other than a rhetorical question, you've missed the point entirely.

      No, you don't have to be silent about your disagreeing with one person's representation of the truth, but asking an entire community to boycott a website due to the advertisements which it runs is a dangerous, dangerous slide into the sort of polarity we see in the United States today.

    7. Re:Ads on Slashdot by bmw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More information is always better than less information when it comes to making decisions.

      Yes but what about misinformation?

    8. Re:Ads on Slashdot by Openstandards.net · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I would agree with you, if the issue was government cencorship.

      But, this is democracy in it's purest, not centralized government control.

      He's asking individuals to make an individual choice. You are free to choose who you patronage, and you are free to not be influenced by his article or his request that you consider offering your patronage elsewhere, presumably Linux sites that don't host anti-linux slogans.

      He's not asking a central dictator to pass a law forbidding free speech.

    9. Re:Ads on Slashdot by thakadu · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, two different, and perfectly valid opinions. It always seems unfair when one side appears to be more honest than the other (at least to me) and the honest side then loses the race. A friend recently commented that conservatives are always going to win because they have perfected the art of non-accountability. I think he was referring to the party designated as R on C-span but this could equally apply to dishonest ad sponsors.

  2. Ads? by pegr · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought they were satirical editorial cartoons!

  3. Boycott? by Skyshadow · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Wait, so this Linux advocacy site manages to get Microsoft to pay them to run ads that anyone who actually *goes* to the site will just laugh off anyhow, and we're supposed to *boycott* them?

    Jesus Christ, we should be giving these guys a medal!

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    1. Re:Boycott? by BeBoxer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Agreed. I think it's great that Microsoft likes to support pro-Linux magazines and web sites. Everytime I see one I chuckle to myself. "Suckers. No one here is going to be swayed by your ad, but thanks for spending the money anyway!" If anything, Microsoft's need to advertise in Linux channels helps legitimize Linux (as though that hasn't already been done.)

  4. Mommy, M$ isn't playing fair by webguru4god · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This seems like a rather harsh approach to take against LinuxWorld, and somewhat childish as well. How do we know that Microsoft is specifically paying for advertisement on LinuxToday, and not just blanket advertising on internet.com?

    And then does that mean that we should boycott /. because they often display M$ ads? Or maybe anti-Linux people should boycott Windows-centric sites when they feature advertising from RedHat or Sun.

    Seems to me like the best option to take would be to urge LinuxToday to not support M$ advertising if they are indeed given a choice on what they advertise, instead of just boycotting them out of anger.

    1. Re:Mommy, M$ isn't playing fair by FortKnox · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree. Its knee-jerk reactions like this that give Linux a bad name.

      Two words for you guys:
      GROW UP!

      You are taking away money from the competition, and putting ads on a page that most people ignore anyway. This isn't something to get your panties in a bunch about. Go argue about which editor or distro is the best... it'll make you feel better ;-)

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  5. whatever by blackmonday · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds like a bunch of hot air to me. If MS wants to run an ad with their (biased) study of TCO vs Linux, let them. Trust the readers to be smarter than that. Linux represents choice and freedom, not censorship or religion.

  6. If Microsoft wants to fund a Linux magazine... by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ...then more fool them. As long as "Linux Today" does not allow advertisers to interfere with its content, either directly or indirectly, I don't see an issue.

    I read nothing in the complaint to suggest that Linux Today's content has been compromised by these adverts. Instead, the entire complaint seems to be purely that Microsoft advertises, and the advertising itself is Linux-hostile.

    That's fine. And I expect most readers will ignore what Microsoft has to say, but be delighted they're funding Linux.

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  7. The problem is by dtfinch · · Score: 5, Informative

    Slashdot has the same exact anti-Linux, pro-Microsoft ads. I've tried bringing this up, but was rejected.

    Imagine if it read like this:
    "I'm now calling on the Linux community to boycott Slashdot until its current owners stop accepting money from Microsoft to publish blatantly anti-Linux/pro-Microsoft ads."

    I personally would call upon the community to click every Microsoft ad they see. They get cheap advertising if nobody clicks on them. And they're not going away if you don't. Microsoft is definitely the high bidder on most of our sites.

  8. Ads? by peeping_Thomist · · Score: 5, Funny

    People still see ads in their web browsers? How 1997!

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  9. Has this guy even contacted them? by CanSpice · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I want to know if this guy has even got in touch with Linux Today in regards to this "controversy." He doesn't mention anything about talking to them, asking them rationally to do something about the Windows ads. It just looks like he's flying off the handle irrationally, and that really detracts from the point he's trying to make.

  10. Best way to boycott a website? by nunofgs · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why, post it on slashdot of course!

  11. Re:Why? by BlueCodeWarrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not neccesarily. But I can see the validity in the point of "how can we trust them to post unbiased reviews when they are funded by Microsoft"

    I don't patronize the site personally, but I could see (in theory) how M$ could say, "well, we see that you're posting this negative stuff about our product, we think we'll pull out those ads..." and if they're counting on those ad dollars for funding, well, it isn't pretty.

  12. And will you... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Insightful

    replace their lost ad revenue yourself? At least offer them an alternative before you start deriding them for doing something. Oh, and where the hell do YOU get off selling your creation and then acting as if you have a say in it after that, you dont, you gave it up for money so dont preach to me.

  13. Money's flowing in the right direction by pz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Way back in the 90s, my brother banded together a bunch of his friends to start a company and put up a web site. It eventually became one of the leaders in it's field with millions of hits per day (it's a sports site that is now run by one of the big television networks). My brother's a big proponent of open source, he's got an ultra-low Slashdot ID (less than 100), the web sites he's built have all been done under Linux and Perl, and has contributed to various open source projects pretty extensively (eg, xemacs, mysql). When the web site was just big enough to attract advertising, they made a $2000 booking from Microsoft, and I admonished him for doing business with the devil. He replied, "yeah, but the money's flowing in the right direction."

    Who among us wouldn't rather money flow from Microsoft rather than to them, especially when the recipient is an open-source advocate?

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  14. Re:Why? by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 5, Funny

    > Are Linux Today's readers too stupid to think for themselves?

    I'm not really sure...what do you think?

  15. Re:So, if by slipstick · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nope, because the similarity is only skin deep.

    While /. is primarily pro-linux, Linux is not it's entire reason for being. Information of all types for Nerds is given, including but not limited to Oracle, IBM, your rights on-line, hardware, gaming, PDA's etc.,etc.

    LinuxToday is "only" a Linux site. Accepting money
    from a biased source to provide FUD is insulting to the community that the site is directed at.

    I accept the /. presentation of the Microsoft FUD because this isn't a Linux only site.

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  16. For the link impared... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
  17. Re:And this might be worth some concern by symbolic · · Score: 5, Insightful


    As long as sucking on Bill's teat doesn't create any issues with respect to journalistic integrity, I'm not worried, and find it rather funny that M$ is supporting the competition.