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Apple Music Store Coming to Europe & iTunes in China

frankie writes "As reported everywhere, Apple is holding a press conference in London on Tuesday June 15. The entirely un-subtle official sound bite is "the biggest story in music is about to get even bigger", not what we've come to expect from Lord Steve." Or read through the Reuters report. In other news, it appears that Apple has struck a deal with China's second larger computer manufacturer to preinstall iTunes.

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  1. More news! by Mz6 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "In other news, it appears that Apple has struck a deal with China's second larger computer manufacturer to preinstall iTunes."

    In related news, Microsoft's appeal to the EU has been leaked to the press. It seems to consist of an attack against Apple. "Hey, if Apple can preload their iTunes "media player", why can't we? We should be able to do it too!", said an anonymous source close to the Microsoft legal team. Many legal experts seem to think Microsoft 5-year old kid "If he can do it, I can do it to" antics will fail miserably.

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    1. Re:More news! by pubjames · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well really, what _is_ the difference?

      Microsoft has a monopoly. Apple doesn't.

      That's it. Different rules apply if you have a monopoly. Microsoft may consider this "unfair", but there are good reasons for it.

    2. Re:More news! by jkabbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If Microsoft isn't allowed to use its OS monopoly, then Apple shouldn't either.

      Apple is cutting independant deals with computer manufacturers based on the quality of its product.

      Microsoft is forcing computer manufacturers to ship the Windows Media Player whether they want to or not.

      So, no, Microsoft is the only company using the leverage provided by the Windows OS monopoly.

    3. Re:More news! by jkabbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How do you figure? Isn't Apple leveraging the enormous popularity of Windows and cheap PC prices (as opposed to Apple hardware prices, which I'm guessing don't fly so well in China) to get iTunes installed on as many Chinese computers as possible?

      Your logic is still incredibly faulty.

      Hopefully these questions will help clarify the matter:

      Does the fact that Microsoft has a monopoly in the OS guarantee that Apple will be able to install iTunes on all PCs sold with Windows?

      Does the fact that Microsoft has a monopoly in the OS guarantee that Microsoft will be able to install WMP on all PCs sold with Windows?

      For the record, I am not advocating forcing Microsoft to remove WMP from Windows (I would much rather see them forced to open the codecs). I am just explaining how they are leveraging the OS and why the same argument does not apply to others.

      If you can't see the difference you're obviously beyond help.

    4. Re:More news! by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because Apple can't force your hand by raising prices of Windows licenses if you don't bundle iTunes.

      Microsoft can force your hand by raising the price of Windows licenses, or threatening to not sell you Windows licenses, if you bundle a competitor's product. And please note, this has happened to Compaq, BeOS, Netscape, and other companies.

      Since when has Apple been able to discourage users from seeking out other media players through legal and contractual means? Microsoft can, through it's monopoly status. Apple can't. Well, they can try, by saying, "If you bundle WMP or Real on your PC, each copy of iTunesPC will cost you $1; if you don't, then iTunesPC will be free."

      The difference between Apple and Microsoft is that Microsoft can charge $40 and still get their way, because as a monopoly they can set their own pricing. Apple, as *not* a monopoly, can't set the prices any way they want.

    5. Re:More news! by JamieF · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You really need to study the details of the Microsoft monopoly lawsuit, and study up on antitrust law in general, because it's obvious that you haven't.

      Microsoft has a monopoly. That has been proven in a court of law. What has also been proven in a court of law is that they abused this monopoly by using anti-competitive practices to make sure that they were in complete control of what was and wasn't installed on top of Windows by system vendors.

      Your argument is the same one that Microsoft used. "Poor, poor users - if we let competitors or OEMs change Windows, the poor users won't get the best, most consistent user experience!" Of course this is question-begging: this argument assumes that Microsoft provides the best, most "consistent" user interface, and there's no evidence to the contrary because no one is allowed to rip out chunks of Windows and replace them with Gecko and VLC etc. or just leave those apps out, because Microsoft will revoke their OEM license.

      What an end user can do with one PC to tailor it to their needs is not the issue. What an OEM is being prevented from doing on behalf of all of their customers is the issue.

      As for Apple somehow having an iTunes monolpoly, you're confusing PC vendors (none of whom have a monopoly, at least in the US) with Microsoft, and anti-competitive practices with competitive practices. If Apple were able to strongarm all PC vendors into not installing WMP or RealPlayer or WinAmp or MusicMatch (etc. etc.) as a condition of installing iTunes, using an iTunes (or other Apple product) monopoly as leverage, that would be comparable to Microsoft's illegal anticompetitive monopolistic practices. Instead, the news that one PC vendor has chosen to preload iTunes doesn't mean that WMP will not be installed, and doesn't in any way give Apple a monopoly on music apps or denote illegal anticompetitive practices.

  2. About bloody time! by oberondarksoul · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been using iTunes for Windows since release, and although I can't actually buy from the iTMS, I've found it an excellent tool for finding music I like - being able to listen to the samples directly from iTunes is a godsend. Personally, I don't see the problem with the DRM Apple use - sure, it's restrictive, but it's not as bad as some - and I can certainly see myself buying from the store upon opening.

    All we need now is for Pepsi to offer free songs too...

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  3. Re: double standards? by Dlugar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The big issue, stated time and again, is that Microsoft has a desktop monopoly, so they can't bundle the same things that others can. If Apple were in a monopoly position, you can bet your bottom dollar that the Slashdot crowd would be hollering just as loud as they do against Microsoft (which isn't, incidentally, that loud).

    It doesn't have anything to do with the mysterious anti-Microsoft pro-Apple conspiracy. People just like rooting for the underdog, even if the underdog would be just as Evile as the top dog if/when given the chance.

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  4. Canada, too! by Synesthesiatic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are rumours that Apple may launch iTMS Canada at the same time. I guess that'd allow them to retain the element of surprise! Anyhoo, I've got my fingers crossed. Hopefully songs will run 99 cents CAD.

  5. Re:double standards? by millahtime · · Score: 4, Interesting

    not quite. Are they running OS X with iTunes? Nope, it'll be a M$ based system with iTunes as a 3rd party software. That is the difference.

  6. Stupid recursion by krem81 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I click on that Google News link, and lo and behold: this story on Slashdot is the first article in the list. So naturally, I click on that...

  7. ipod by millahtime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    iTunes store may not be accessible but there are over 1 billion people there and iTunes syncs with the ipod so imagine how many ipods they could sell there.

  8. China will be an interesting experiment by tji · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I will be very interested to see how iTMS does in China. That's going into the core of the area where organized piracy has traditionally been the main music and software market.

    China has been gaining a large middle class, and a lot of wealth. So, I think there is a big enough potential market that is able to purchase music. We'll see if they are willing to purchase music.

    I went to China on a business trip last year, and while walking through an open market in Shanghai I couldn't take five steps without being approached by a kid wanting to sell CD's and DVD's for less than a dollar a piece.

  9. Re:World’s Best Digital Music Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because "One of several pretty good music experiences" sounded kind of lame to their PR people.

  10. Re:Its gonna come crashing down by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    please tell me the names of artists which apple computer represents as a music label.

    oh yeah, there aren't any.

    please tell me the ISBN numbers of any CDs which apple computer manufactures for sale.

    oh yeah, there aren't any.

    apple computer is not behaving as a music label. they are behaving as a website which acts as a 3rd party for music sales.

    From your link: That contract stipulated Apple Computer could use the logo for computers, data processing and telecommunications, while the Beatles could retain it for music, according to documents filed by the pop group's lawyers at the High Court.

    Apple Computer is providing a massive data processing environment (iTunes Music Store) and allows people to purchase music from -other- labels through this telecommunications link.

    Besides the fact that an incredibly common fruit, the apple, being trademarked is absurd in the first place.

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  11. You're implying... by lxt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "While I'm sure it's all fine and dandy that Apple is now bringing more capitalism to China"

    You're implying that China is communist. It's not truly communist - the country would not have experienced such massive growth in population if it wasn't for western companies investing in textiles factories, etc. in China. China owes a lot to western countries for it's absoloutely massive period of growth after the past fifty years. Considering I just three hours ago wrote a two page essay on it for an A-Level... :)

  12. Too little, too late? by Rikardon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just discovered allofmp3.com over the weekend, thanks to others mentioning it on Slashdot, so I'm doing my part to spread the word. They have a good selection (though not as broad as Apple's), but the pricing is unbeatable -- $0.01 or $0.02 per MB.

    Best of all, the encoding is almost always selectable -- you can choose MP3 (including the LAME alt-preset settings), WMA, OGG, MP4, and a couple of others I've forgotten. You can even get the tracks lossless if you want.

    I can't remember getting this excited about an Internet site since the first time I streamed European radio via RealPlayer in 1997. Understand: I've been an AVLA-licensed DJ for 13 years. I rarely spend my own money on music; I get it all from the record companies (whose licensing terms, for DJs at least, are a lot better in Canada than they are in the States -- we can burn multiple copies for performance, are licensed to play directly from MP3, etc.), in exchange for a nominal fee. But last night I spent about US$17 and downloaded about 220 songs. About half of that was replacing CDs I've previously owned but that are now damaged or lost. Another 20% was probably old favorites from the 80s that I remember fondly but am not willing to spend a lot of money on (Sly Fox or Paul Hardcastle for example).

    Don't want to give your credit card to the Russians? Fine -- they take PayPal. I paid $10 for 1GB of download, and when it was obvious I was going to blow past that amount, I added another $10. Simple and painless.

    iTUnes and all the comparable services (PureTracks, etc.) use DRM-encumbered formats. These are unencumbered MP3s that work great on my 15GB Archos Jukebox Recorder.

    In short, allofmp3 is pretty much exactly what I've been wanting in a download service. They claim it's legal in Russia (see the site and some discussion forums), and it's legal for me to download here in Canada (heck, my wife will be burning half the music to CDs that we've paid the CRIA licensing fees for -- most of our CDs are used for backups and/or digital photos), so for as long as they're around they've got my business.

  13. International Music by philoticjane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What I want to know is if they're going to be making all the music in all regions available to all the other regions that have itms available. I would KILL to be able to buy some J-Pop and local rock and folk music from parts of Europe in AAC (yes, I know, .ogg r0x0rz your s0ckz0rz, but AAC is readily available and still high quality). It would be so easy to access tons of new material (especially stuff that you just can't find in Texas, or most other states for that matter), which is one of the secondary purposes of itms (the first, of course, I won't argue is making money).

    You know you're commenting on Slashdot when... you have to make several provisos to be sure you're understood.

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  14. Great if you hate musicians. by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you like stiffing artists that's your business. I'll stick with a system where at least a little money get's back to the artists I like.

    Apart from the ability to select music quality, I don't really see where allofmp3.com is any different than downloading a song from P2P.

    As for iTunes "Encumberment" - perhaps you missed out on Hymn?

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  15. Confusion by Walkiry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do not confuse monopoly and monoculture. Both are bad, for different reasons, but they're not the same.

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  16. Re:Question of the day : food or music ? by FatPaulie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your numbers are a bit off.

    This report suggests that 80 million of China's 1.5 billion citizens live below the poverty line. I've read reports that the Chinese Middle Class extends to numbers equalling the population of the United States.

    On a recent trip to China, I observed a LOT of technology-obsessed youth - the exact target market for new computers and iPods. And in a country where you don't usually have the expense of a car, flashy goods like the iPod go a long way to showing off your social standing.

    Understand that your vision of poverty-stricken China holds true for a large expanse of rural China, the urban population in cities like Beijing, Shanghai, and Hong Kong live a lot like the rest of us (albeit in slightly more cramped spaces).

    In a society like that, where large purchases (houses and cars) are unusual, they're left with things like Rolexes and iPods to show off their wealth.

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  17. Retribution by droleary · · Score: 4, Funny

    I still don't understand why they don't have iTMS in Canada yet.

    Two words: Celine Dion.