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DARPA Announces Grand Challenge 2005

An anonymous reader writes "The Grand Challenge 2005 Date has been announced for October 8, 2005. Check out DARPA's official webpage for details. Already several teams from last year are gearing up: Carnegie Mellon Red Team, D.A.D., and Cal Tech. Also, several new teams are entering, among them Stanford, and Florida Tech. Should be a very interesting Challenge next year!"

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  1. We'll see... by darth_MALL · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Should be a very interesting Challenge next year!" ...more so if anyone finishes

    1. Re:We'll see... by robslimo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yah. GH 2004 was such a whopping success that my brother and I started toying with the idea of entering (or at least attempting to enter) the challenge. We've got an old VW dune buggy, a webcam, a couple of old PII notebook computers, plenty of bailing wire (we're in Oklahoma, no duct tape for us) and a few distros of Linux to work with.

      Surely we can't do any worse than this year's competitors, eh?

    2. Re:We'll see... by GuyMannDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Should be a very interesting Challenge next year!" ...more so if anyone finishes

      More interesting for who? The crowd or the researchers? Hey, if you want an exciting race, go watch NASCAR (or not). As far as the researchers are concerned, it's probably more interesting when these things fail to finish the race than if they all completed the course without difficulty. Each failure teachs the researchers something about AI. These "lessons learned" are then used for a variety of applications and theoretical extensions, not just building a better autonomous car.

      DARPA is not putting on these contests because they expect someone to win. They are trying to give researchers a difficult problem to work on. Don't be looking at the fact that none of the vehicles came close to finishing the race as some sort of failure or "boring". The problem is quite exciting for the researchers and for anyone interested in AI. The fact that they are making it an annual thing is icing on the cake.

      GMD

    3. Re:We'll see... by asynchronous13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It should be noted that the Aerial Robotics Competition didn't have any winners for its first few years of competition. Each year they changed the rules to make it harder, even though no one finished the previous year's challenge (in fact, no team even had a vehicle capable of autonomous flight). Then, one team had a helicopter that autonomously hovered, navigated obstacles, and even located and picked up an object off the ground -- while no other team could even autonomously fly. The following year, every team had a flying entry.

      The Darpa Challenge might not have a winner for a couple of years, but if they keep raising the bar a little bit, results will follow.

    4. Re:We'll see... by Jardine · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hey, if you want an exciting race, go watch NASCAR (or not). As far as the researchers are concerned, it's probably more interesting when these things fail to finish the race than if they all completed the course without difficulty

      Hey, NASCAR races are more exciting when that happens too. People love to see stuff break.

  2. Based on the 'successes' of 2004... by YodaToo · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...the 2005 challenge will involve creating autonomous vehicles that can navigate one mile along a flat, empty highway with a clearly marked, solid center strip. The vehicles will have one week to navigate the course

    1. Re:Based on the 'successes' of 2004... by BJZQ8 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "A flat, empty highway with a clearly marked, solid center strip." So all we have to do for the robots to win the war is nuke the offending country flat, and then send in paint-bombers (UAV's of course) to mark the strip...

  3. what if... by teknokracy · · Score: 4, Funny

    This year: Make a robot that will successfully find a parking spot at the mall!

    1. Re:what if... by Gorgeous+Si · · Score: 3, Funny

      This year: Make a robot that will successfully find a parking spot at the mall!

      The challenge isn't supposed to be impossible!

  4. Yeah, let's help the military build Skynet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    When's the contest going to be held to see who can build the smartest engineer?

  5. IEEE Spectrum article by orac2 · · Score: 3, Informative
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  6. I wish I had... by Cyclotron_Boy · · Score: 5, Funny

    a big garage, a spare '67 IH Scout 800, a laptop I could trash, assorted robotics parts, and a month or two paid time off (or better yet- sponsored by my work)... I just *know* I could get out of the parking lot...

  7. a brief comment by vmircea · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've actually seen something very similar to this before, I believe that they should be able to actually do this. At a local college near me I watched as the robotics team ran their robot through an obstacle course by having it follow a nice little line using an optical sensor... So I think this challenge will be possible, although not easy to do for one mile. But even if noone actually does claim the prize and finish... it is the fact that you learn something from the experience and hopefully that experience can be put to good use that's important... isn't it?

  8. I still don't understand why they don't by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 4, Funny

    just build the machine itself to be relatively indestructable- handling any terrain. Say with four wheels large enough to be completely invertable and floatable. Then just add a GPS unit and skid steering, and some simple logic to try 4 times, then rotate 90 degrees, run for 100 feet, rotate back 90 degrees, and try again, recursively, plus seek out pregrogrammed destination co-ordinates. Make it go up to 60 MPH to make up time when it doesn't have any barriers to get around, and let it go. It might not take the straightest route, but it will get there eventually- kind of like my 1-year-old's bumble ball robot that has no brains at all, just a gyroscope and bumpers to keep it moving in random directions.

    Even better yet- a huge bumble ball with GPS locator to tell us where it is- just drop it into ANY terrain, and it will bounce around until it gets where it wants to be.

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    1. Re:I still don't understand why they don't by tcopeland · · Score: 2, Funny

      > huge bumble ball with GPS locator

      No no! You need to refer to that by its scientific name - simulated annealing. There, now you can increase your billing rate by $50 an hour!

    2. Re:I still don't understand why they don't by avalys · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Make it go up to 60 MPH to make up time when it doesn't have any barriers to get around, and let it go

      And what will you do when this thing crashes at 60 mph into one of the barriers you haven't designed it to detect?

      Collision avoidance without physical contact is one of the biggest challenges these teams face.

      Also, the obstacles aren't necessarily these big, obvious concrete barriers dumped in the middle of the desert. How would your robot deal with encountering a lake, or coming to the edge of a cliff?

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    3. Re:I still don't understand why they don't by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And what will you do when this thing crashes at 60 mph into one of the barriers you haven't designed it to detect?

      Who's detecting anything? Go ahead and crash into the boulder or whatever- design the robot to bounce, use an accelerometer to detect the bounce. 60MPH bumpers aren't exactly impossible, you know.

      Collision avoidance without physical contact is one of the biggest challenges these teams face.

      Is that in the rules that they must have no physical contact? The website I saw deleted the rules for 2004 and hasn't posted the rules for 2005- but I can't imagine why they'd care if a combat-bot moving through enemy terroitory demolishes a few houses along the way, or crashes into them, detecting them as a barrier, and moves off in a different random direction.

      Also, the obstacles aren't necessarily these big, obvious concrete barriers dumped in the middle of the desert. How would your robot deal with encountering a lake, or coming to the edge of a cliff?

      Well, the lake was in the original, that's why you'd want the robot to be amphibious as well as reasonably indestructible. But I grant you the cliff- I guess it depends whether the cliff is on it's internal map of the area or not. Anyway, that's one way to detect the cliff and even find roads/bridges to cross a canyon. Another way to deal with it is with a range finder angled towards the ground- if it's suddenly WAY steeper in front of the robot than the robot was expecting, turn around and find another way.

      Or, alternatively, as long as you're making your electric-drive, 60MPH, invertable robot's body out of black-box strength steel to begin with, don't worry about the cliffs. A drop of a mile or so won't hurt it, and it will find it's way out of the canyon eventually.....

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    4. Re:I still don't understand why they don't by Desert+Raven · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Another way to deal with it is with a range finder angled towards the ground- if it's suddenly WAY steeper in front of the robot than the robot was expecting, turn around and find another way.

      Speaking as a former off-road enthusiast, unless that range-finder is suspended a couple hundred feet in front of your vehicle, it's not going to do you any good if you're moving at 60mph. Stopping on natural surfaces can often take a lot more distance than you're used to, especially if there's a downgrade involved.

      Add to that the fact that hitting an 18" deep cut in the surface at high speed can tear the wheels right off the vehicle...

      Seriously, running at 60mph on established, familiar trails in the open desert will keep your brain running at full speed trying to keep you safe. Running at anything over 40mph in unfamiliar, non-graded landscape is seriously risking your life. Most of the time I never got much above 30mph, and even that was hard on the vehicle. (Two center hanger bearings, six CV joint boots, a differential, a steering stabilizer, four shocks and an A-arm in one year. Plus numerous dents, scratches and bruises.)

  9. Prize increased to $2M by MarkGriz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The team that completes the Grand Challenge 2005 route within a specified time will receive a cash prize of $2 million, an increase from the $1 million prize offered at last year?s event.

    In the first DARPA Grand Challenge, held on a desert route from California to Nevada, 15 teams from a field of 106 applicants progressed to the final event


    Why increase the prize to $2M? If the goal of the challenge is to develop an autonomous vehicle, why not use the extra $1M as a grant to fund the top 15 teams from the last challenge.

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    1. Re:Prize increased to $2M by Tree131 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      why not use the extra $1M as a grant to fund the top 15 teams from the last challenge

      because it would be unfair to newcomers to the competition.

      OTOH, what top 15 teams? There was a TOTAL of 15 teams qualified!!!

  10. Florida Tech? by TXGB324 · · Score: 5, Informative

    As a proud dropout of Florida Tech, I'd just like to point out that the "Florida Tech" link goes to an article about the University of Florida. If Florida Tech is competting, I wish them all the best luck. Here's the correct link to their website: www.fit.edu

  11. Dupe? by Tree131 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This topic, although w/ slightly different wording has been chewed and swallowed/spat out couple of days ago...

    1. Re:Dupe? by XMyth · · Score: 2, Funny

      I just assume all stories on /. are dupes these days.

  12. Re:DARPA. Aren't they... by GuyMannDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the same spooks that want to identify terrorists by how they walk?

    No, they're the ones who created the Internet. You know, that thing you're using right now. Plus, they happen to be a huge supporter of scientific research and development. Given the fact that industry has slashed R&D in favor of raising the quarterly reports by a half a percentage point or giving the members of the Board an ivory backscratcher as an annual bonus, let's not be too quick to insult one of the few remaining patrons of science.

    GMD

  13. Nitpicks by GillBates0 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Anthony J. Tether, DARPA director, noted: "This event is a challenge for American ingenuity. It brings together individuals and organizations from the research and development community, industry, Government, the Armed Services, academia, professional societies, and from the ranks of students, backyard inventors, and automotive enthusiasts.

    Are non-American citizens allowed to participate? I tried looking at the Rules Page but it's not up yet. I don't recall if there was a stipulation which restricted participants to American citizens.

    Given DARPA's great R&D track record in the past (Internet and what not), I would've liked to participate in the contest *purely* from a scientific curiousity point of view - and I bet a lot of nerds all over the world would like to overlook the fact that the contest is sponsored by a military agency (prize not withstanding - since it's US taxpayer money). Just as long as DARPA lives up to it's name and does not morph into OARPA - it's happened way too many times in the past.

    Incidentally, the link to the official page is incorrect on that page. The site linked to in the article seems to be just a mirror of the darpa.mil site, however.

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  14. Should be good by nizo · · Score: 5, Funny
    The DARPA Grand Challenge is a field test designed to accelerate research and development in autonomous ground vehicles that will help save lives on the future battlefield.

    I can't wait to see all the new automated field medic designs. Wait, why does that one have a big gun sticking out of the top....

    1. Re:Should be good by david.given · · Score: 2, Funny
      Wait, why does that one have a big gun sticking out of the top....

      We had to destroy their lives in order to save them.

  15. DARPA-hard problems by GuyMannDude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    DARPA is the central research and development organization for the Department of Defense (DoD). The Agency manages and directs basic and applied research and development projects for DoD, and pursues research and technology where the risk and payoff are both very high and where success may provide dramatic advances for traditional military roles and missions.(emphasis mine)

    This mission statement is important because it emphasizes that DARPA was specifically designed to fund research into hard problems. In fact, the catch-phrase "DARPA-hard problem" has surfaced as a shorthand way of labeling high-risk, high-payoff problems. A lot of people seem to be having fun laughing about the fact that none of the vehicles in this year's race came close to finishing. But as I pointed out above, that certainly doesn't make this contest a failure by any stretch of the imagination. This is a DARPA-hard problem. Certainly no private company is going to fund something like this. The risk is just too high. Really, DARPA is one of the few entities that has the resources to put on an annual contest like this.

    From some of the comments posted here there seems to be the idea that because DARPA is the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency that we have to dislike them. I disagree. Sure, DARPA has future warfare in mind. But so many technologies developed for military use end up in the private sector anyhow. It would be pointless to list them all. Let's not look a gift-horse in the mouth. DARPA is willing to fund science and scientists are willing to work on their problems. I don't see what the problem is. Do you guys think that if scientists stop doing DARPA work that suddenly conflict in the world is going to stop and everyone is going to join hands and sing "We are the world"? Sometimes I think people complain just because the like to complain.

    GMD

    1. Re:DARPA-hard problems by corngrower · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Sure, DARPA has future warfare in mind. But so many technologies developed for military use end up in the private sector anyhow.


      Autonomous vehicles would be very useful for the private sector as well as for the military. In fact there already exists agricultural vehicles that are able to drive themselves. These don't have obstacle avoidance, but merely follow GPS coordinates. They do travel relatively fast (~ 20 mph) and can steer the vehicle more accurately than a human operator could.

  16. wheels vs legs by HybridJeff · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Were all the entries last year wheel based? Id think when it comes to maneuverability and obstacle avoidance, a walking robot would do the job better. Of course you couldnt have one of those lame assed ASIMO type bots. Do damn slow and clunkey. Just make somthing with at least 4 legs, and you've fixed that whole falling over problem.

    Thats what Id try anyway. I'd fail miserably, but wouldnt building a mechanical cheetah b e lots of fun.

  17. Mod parent down by seafortn · · Score: 2, Informative

    Mods - look for troll-bait inside of parent post.

  18. Lessons Learned by texbot · · Score: 5, Interesting
    As a member of Team Caltech I can say that next year's race going to be much more exciting for a couple of reasons.

    First off, returning teams already have a foundation to build upon, both in existing hardware and in technical experience. Writing software for a race like this is almost impossible to do without testing it on a working vehicle (i.e. testing in simulation only works out major problems, but does not translate well to desert racing). For example, Caltech spent 6 months getting actuators and drivers to work well enough to hand over the vehicle to the software team. As soon as that happened, we noticed several problems interfacing the actuators to the software (e.g. updating actuator positions too fast locked them up and made them stop responding). Ultimately our vehicle was not even waypoint following accurately until late February. Most teams were in the same state we were in - racing the clock, plagued by bad hardware (sensors and actuators) and inexperience. BUT we were very close to being very good. If they re-ran the race mid-summer this year the results from all of the teams would be very different. Looking to next year, teams have working vehicles which means 1 full year of onsite testing instead of 2 months.

    Another thing that is interesting about the next race is the timing relative to academic calendars. A lot of teams are university driven and it was very difficult for students to devote enough time to the project while still handling their school requirements (definitely true with a Caltech workload). The next race is at the very end of the summer which means that a crew can work on the vehicle full time for three months before the next race.

    Whether or not someone wins the next race is entirely up to DARPA. By next year there will be 5+ teams that could navegate last-race's course in

    Anyway, good luck to all teams...especially new teams - you have quite a hurdle in front of you. See you in 1 year.

  19. Slow down. by gosand · · Score: 2, Funny
    .the 2005 challenge will involve creating autonomous vehicles that can navigate one mile along a flat, empty highway with a clearly marked, solid center strip.

    Based on what I see every day on my commute, it would be a tough enough challenge to have a manned vehicle complete this task.

    Maybe if you would get off your goddamn phone you wouldn't be swerving into my lane!!

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