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What Keeps You Off of Windows?

J. J. Ramsey asks: "schnell has already asked the question What's Keeping You On Windows? It seems only fair to ask the opposite question. For those of you who have elected to not use Windows, what keeps you away from it? Concerns about stability? Security? Dislike of Microsoft's business practices? Or are you simply a fan of your chosen platform and just don't care about Windows one way or the other?" Might recent events sway your decision to keep Microsoft's premier software offering off of your computer?

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  1. The fact that it is so difficult to administer. by YankeeInExile · · Score: 5, Informative

    Curiously, in the last year I have actually started using Windows for the first time.

    It has been the most difficult platform I have ever had to administer. Setting up even trivial network configurations is near impossible, with seemingly endless screens to move through, and very poor documentation.

    Tasks that are trivial under Unix, have thus far eluded me. I still don't know how to set up DNS under Win2K.

    Doesn't that sound like precisely the Why $FREE_UNIX_SYSTEM Can Never Succeed on the Desktop Argument? I am sure that Windows is no harder to administer than Unix. But I have fifteen years of Unix adminning experience, and zero Windows experience. To people who grew up on PC-DOS and Wintel, it is as intuitive for them as dd is to me.

    So, for everything that matters to me (writing, email, network infrastructure) I use the Sun. For everything that is trivial and fun (websurfing, chat) I use the Winblows box.

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  2. Once you go Free, you'll never go back by JohnGrahamCumming · · Score: 4, Informative

    Last October I made the switch from Windows to Linux (SuSE 9.0) and
    haven't looked back. I was a long time Windows user and programmer
    (going all the way back to 3.0---just remember how great it was when
    3.11 came out!), but I'd grown tired of the bulk and cost of Windows.
    When Microsoft finally stabilized Windows with XP it was too little,
    too late.

    What keeps me going back to Windows is simply that I don't need to.
    Here I sit with

    0. A Unix command-shell that let's me do real work
    1. A perfectly nice GUI (I'm using GNOME)
    2. A stable web browser and email program (Firefox and Thunderbird)
    3. A good personal finance application (gnucash)
    4. Instant messaging (GAIM)
    5. Outlook compatibility (Evolution)
    6. A stable operating system that doesn't hide things from me
    7. Speed, such speed, compared to XP.
    8. No viruses, worms, and other crap targetting Windows
    9. Graphics editing (The GIMP)
    10. Multimedia (mplayer, XINE, etc.)
    11. Complete office suite (OpenOffice.org)
    12. Built in firewall (iptables)
    13. A really cool spam filter/email sorter :-)

    Why would I go back?

    0. Windows costs $$$ to buy and they've got this evil registration scheme
    1. It seems like every week some worm or other would be able to take out my machine
    2. No freakin' idea what all these services and things are doing
    3. A web browser and other components integrated into the system like some sort of cancer.

    and bottom line

    5. Microsoft's software just isn't cool. It's like some pale imitation of cool software with just the minimum set of features to make the average Joe go "cool" while drooling into his beer.

    John.

  3. Re:Nothing really. Especially fonts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    What I really like in Windows is the font system. It's simple. Drop a font into the fonts folder in control panel, and it will just work. And it looks good. Unix fonts are a pain in the eyes, and blurring them to death with font aliasing does not please my eyes either. In fact, bad looking fonts are the killer argument that _prevents_ me from running a Unix as my main OS.


    Open up the KDE control center, and go to the fonts tab. Drop a font in, or choose it via the file dialog. Press OK. Font installed.

    As for fonts looking good, if you use a modern distribution with xft2 and fontconfig installed, fonts look better than under Windows.
  4. Two words... by KenCrandall · · Score: 3, Informative

    PRODUCT ACTIVATION

    I upgraded my wife's computer over the weekend (new Mobo, CPU, and Video) and I had to re-activate Windows. No problem? I don't think so.

    I ended up having to call into their help line and read something like 25 numbers to a voice-recognition system and to get something like 25 chars back from a RealLiveHuman(tm) 5 minutes later.

    So, all should be good, right? Wrong! Simply moving the HD over to the new configuration and installing the correct drivers made the MOST UNSTABLE system I've ever used. So, I tried going back to a restore point -- guess what? It was PRE-ACTIVATION so I had to call again. Still, after another call, the machine was broken.

    Finally, I decided to just re-install. Guess what, ANOTHER CALL!

    It's just silly that Microsoft is SO concerned about their $100-or-so per computer that they make people jump through these hoops. It's like the music business: people who want to use the product will buy it, either with a PC or stand-alone. The people who illegally copy it weren't going to pay for it anyway.

    Fortunately, there's a happy ending: all this nonsense has my wife willing to try Linux (Fedora Core) so we'll be giving that a shot! (on a new HD, so we can go back to Windows if we have to...)

    Cheers,
    Ken

  5. Re:What keeps me off? by Otter · · Score: 3, Informative
    a gelatenous mass of scams and ploys to kill any project dead that could possibly take a few cents out of his yearly multi-million dollar paypacket, bulging with the gonads of the...his toad army are there, all puffed throats and poisonous flesh, yellow eyes swivelling toward

    You know, I feel sorry for you and the people expressing similar sentiments. I like WindowMaker and X-chat, OS X and Qt, iTunes and Excel. And, Lord help me, I love my TiBook. It's pleasurable to work with tools you enjoy, and let you extend yourself. What they make you use at work is one thing, but I can't imagine sitting at a home computer boiling with demented rage at Rob Enderle. I doubt if the ex-Mrs. Enderle* does that.

    * Purely hypothetical -- I have no idea if such a person exists or not, or what OS she uses.

  6. Re:Mac OS X - quality which Microsoft can never ma by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Honestly, who at Microsoft thought this was a good idea: "Start / Settings / Control Panel / Add/Remove Hardware / Next / Uninstall/Unplug a device / Next / Unplug/Eject a device / Next / Select device / Next"...when the Apple engineers tell you: "Unplug the device from your Macintosh."

    That's funny, when I eject a device, a little icon appears on my system tray. Double click it, pick the one you want to turn off, and a message tells you it's ready to go. How would anybody know that? If you unplug something without doing this, you get a nice little message explaining it to you, and it shows you what to do.

    I doubt it's as nice as what Apple has, but it's nowhere near as dramatic as you're making it out top be.

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    "Derp de derp."
  7. Re:One thing by pclminion · · Score: 5, Informative
    Get VMWare, install your system how you want it inside the VMWare, then burn the disk images to CD. Now, whenever your installation gets hosed, you can simply use VMWare's "revert" feature to go back to the last working snapshot, or, if things are really fucked beyond repair, just restore the disk images off the CD and bam, you're back to a brand-new install, 10 minutes later.

    In addition, if you change workstations you can take your virtual system with you. You'll never notice the difference.

    VMWare costs money, but compare the price to the hours you waste fucking with hosed Windows installations. It's a freaking deal.

  8. Re:Why I run Linux by Jim+Hall · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm going to reply to my own comment to remark why my wife currently uses Linux. I'm a technical person (sysadmin) but my wife has her BA in Literature and her MA in Theology. No technical background there. And she also is as non-technical as you can get.

    But my wife asked to move off Windows. Why? Because she was tired of Windows viruses, of always having to apply updates to Windows (sometimes that would break her system ... usually when a paper was due the next day.) Generally, she considered Windows to be buggy, and Microsoft software (Office, ..) to be just as buggy.

    Today, my wife is happily using Fedora Core on her 600MHz 128MB laptop. Try running Windows XP in that footprint. She runs Mozilla for her browser and to check email, she finished her thesis work on StarOffice (she felt a little better about using an office suite she had to pay for - no problem on my end .. whatever makes her more comfortable with Linux.) She's writing a book for publication using OpenOffice (after the thesis was finished, she decided to give OpenOffice a try.) She visits web sites that use flash or java plugins, and is able to see all the content.

    As far as my wife is concerned, Linux is just as good as a Windows box. Or rather, Linux is even better. When she sees that another round of Windows viruses has appeared, she sort of cackles about those "poor Windows users." :-)

  9. Re:Nothing really. Especially fonts. by mrroach · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's the exact same method used to install fonts for over a year now in Gnome. I'm guessing that KDE has the same thing.

    -Mark

  10. Re:I'm cheap... by wpc4 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I like the fact that my internet connection is faster under Linux than it was under Windows XP. It's a real kick. If you have both running side by side, try comparing them sometime. I do run both Linux and Windows XP. The bandwidth is the same.. XP by default enables qos which reserve 20% of your bandwidth for applications that support it. Just go into network properties and remove that protocol and there you go.

  11. Re:Nothing really. Especially fonts. by Graff · · Score: 3, Informative
    I read the parent and immediately thought of why I stick with OS 8.6 for typography - drop da files into da fonts folder. Easy beans.

    It's even easier with Mac OS X. If you have the Fonts folder in a Finder sidebar or on the Dock you just drag the files to the folder icon and they are installed. The Font Book application that comes with Mac OS X is also great for managing your fonts, as well as installing them.

    Not only that but also Mac OS X has much better typography than Mac OS 8.6. It's Display PDF all the way through from font handling to printing. The antialiasing is smarter, the kerning more exact, better handling of Unicode and right-to-left character sets. The text just overall looks better and more consistant.
  12. Re:Question about article summary by Rei · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are some serious security problems inherent in the windows style of user operation; windows users are "Always Root", so to say. This is a BAD THING. Even if Linux were the most widely used operating system out there, few virii would exist for Linux. A trojan (the most common type of virus) cannot infect programs as an unprivileged user.

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  13. Linux just is "better." by stevenvi · · Score: 3, Informative

    The reason that I use Linux instead of Windows as my primary operating system is that Linux just works better than Windows at the tasks I do. I think the deciding factor in it all though is the fact that no matter how hard I try, Windows just can't in a million years handle my cheap built-in sound card. When I run any program that plays sound it will always give cruddy playback (including going out "randomly" for no apparent reason at all.) Running other programs while using sound is a definite recipie for problems with sound playback. In Linux both OSS and ALSA have worked beautifully for me and never given me a problem (other than a bit of initial trouble setting up ALSA.)

    Then there's the fact that I run many servers on my desktop computer and don't quite do "desktop computing" with it. Word processing? I certainly don't need that, just need Vim. Anyone with a good distro gets automatic updates of their software, or at least automatic notification. That way I can get security updates the day they're released instead of having to visit each server's page daily to check for updates, were I to try to use the programs in Windows. Besides, I'm sure there's something that I use regularly which lacks a Windows port (I know my webcam software which I wrote myself wouldn't work under Windows.)

    I like to see my computer as the "ultimate setup" where everything I can do it so easily accessible. One of the few reasons I used to boot into Windows was to burn CDs and use Paint Shop Pro, but I've since learned that PSP runs fine with Wine and once I get off my lazy butt I'm gonna figure out how to configure this system to burn CDs :-P.

  14. The reasons are legion II by Allnighterking · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ok I hit the wrong button (dumb dumb dumb)
    Myr reasons for avoiding windows.
    1. Poor quality of UI.
    2. Inconsistant UI
    3. Age of the technology
    4. Number of security holes
    5. Lack of applications (Ok the big names are here but the range of applications and things I can do are really small.)
    6. Spend more time getting things to work, vs time working to get things done.
    7. Two words, Memory Hog
    8. Slow as molasses.
    9. Poor interoperability with other OS's
    10. Poor interoperablility with Windows OS's
    11. Poor networking ability.
    12. Too many things done autmagically that I can't control or turn off.
    13. Too many decisions made by Bill as to what I want.
    14. Controls and commands that do what they want despite what is claimed or I want.
    15. Preponderance of ancient technology. (IE and Outlook for example)
    16. Lack of knowledgeable support (it costs more to get to your problem, than it does to solve your problem. (Yes my monitor is turned on, how does this make Outlook crash?))
    17. High cost of hardware. (I have to replace to keep running, not replace when EOL is reached.)
    18. I don't like renting software. (or cars, or clothing, or or or.)
    19. Lack of configurability.
    20. I don't like communism and I don't like M$ for the same reasons.
    21. Poor inter application communication.
    22. Did I mention that it is butt ugly?
    23. I'm sick and tired of Blue and Grey.
    24. Poor language support. (If it ain't MFC or C# they don't want it to work.)
    25. Forced upgrades.
    26. Gates and Balmer support the shrub
    27. Lack of control of what my computer is doing.
    28. Poor Quality control
    29. One size does not fit all (are you listening RH?)
    30. Because applications install and run like leaches hanging on a hikers leg memory control is lacking.
    31. No true multi-user environment.
    32. Poor multi-tasking support.
    33. Poor or no documentation of commands available.
    34. Poor Double Byte and Unicode support
    35. Poor Memory management.
    36. And on and on and on and on and on.

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    I'm sorry, I'm to tired to be witty at the moment so this message will have to do.

  15. Re:As a developer... by Badaro · · Score: 3, Informative

    C:\ != /, no way man. Show me how to map a drive as a subdirectory of C:\.

    1) Right-click "My Computer", choose "Manage", choose "Disk Management"
    2) Right-click partition, choose "Change Drive Letter and Paths", click "Add", pick folder to map partition to.
    3) Press OK, it's done.

    Requires NTFS for this to work, but I don't think that's a big deal.

    []s Badaro

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