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The Future of SysAdmins' Positions

prostoalex writes "With automated upgrade tools and self-updating software, will sysadmins be in such high demand that they enjoy today? Lisa Valentine from NewsFactor provides the answer - and it's a definitive yes. Wireless systems and GPS devices are the new area where sysadmins are expected to have some expertise, although lately companies have been upping their demands for more hands-on experience. This opinion seems to corroborate US Department of Labor forecast on system administrator and computer support specialist employment."

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  1. Thriving Profession by mfh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Where sysadmins will always thrive is in the ability to connect people who simply don't have time for all the details involved. It's not The Oldest Profession, but it's going to be the longest running profession someday, methinks.

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    1. Re:Thriving Profession by zero_offset · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Of course, the flip side of that is that the sysadmins end up with the "keys to the kingdom", and since they're basically janitorial staff, they fail to understand that developers are not just another category of end-users. This becomes more prevalent the larger the company is.

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    2. Re:Thriving Profession by Syntax+Heir · · Score: 5, Interesting
      sysadmins end up with the "keys to the kingdom"

      Agreed

      they're basically janitorial staff

      That's just trolling and entirely unfair.

      I gave the engineering department local admin rights on their PCs before they even asked for it, all I insited on was a 10 minute workstation lockout policy since they love to wander away from their desks.

      However here is a story detailing the problem you mentioned:

      Role Fragmentation

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    3. Re:Thriving Profession by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I thought that was an extremely well thought out article about primitive social practices and professions, and how they link through the ages and are related to the profession of system administrator as it exists today. Most impressive, and it's given me a lot to think about.

      Now, Joe the stupid user installed some spyware on his computer. Go clean it up and be nice: Joe's a vice-president.

      Also, please review the company dress code. You might think yourself a shaman, but some are complaining that you look like one too!

      Kind of puts a perspective on things...

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    4. Re:Thriving Profession by bonius_rex · · Score: 3, Interesting

      At my company, we were explicitly told by external auditors that developers were absolutely not allowed access to production data.
      Just because you work on the HR system, doesn't mean to get to see everyone's salaries. Your test (development) database is filled with bogus data.
      Then, there's a whole seperate department that actually moves your code into production.

      It's not always that the sysadmins are power-hungry assholes, sometimes this stuff comes from *way* above.

  2. Yeah, but... by Mz6 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Did anyone get the feeling the author still knows absolutely nothing about systems administrators after writing this?

    ala... this paragraph...:
    "Many large organizations silo the systems-administration skill set, explains Phillips, and systems administrators at these companies tend to remain focused on very specific systems-administration skills and job responsibilities."

    On a serious note though, I do have a question. The article mentioned that after a few years most college graduates have already achieved sysadmin status, but after that, where do you go from there? The article mentions that the salary tops out at the "mid- to upper-$60,000 range.", and that doesn't sound like a whole lot to me (especially this day in age). Of course there is always becoming a section head, manager, or director... but that often times requires a more downplayed "hand-on" experience as others below you would be doing most of the work. For someone that wants to remain on the technical side of things rather than the business side, where do you go?

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    1. Re:Yeah, but... by duffbeer703 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Nowhere.

      The notion that you career as a programmer or technical specialist is going to plateau before you hit your 30's is scary, but often true.

      You can make more money in sales, consulting or management. But there are tradeoffs. If you want to be a high-dollar consultant or salesman, the travel can really kill a marriage. If you become a management dork, you essentially abandon your technical career.

      The "where do you go?" question is something facing all middle-class people. Over the last 40 years, the purchasing power of the average person has eroded sharply.

      My grandfather raised a family of six on one blue-collar income, and managed to own a nice home in NYC, a summer house upstate, and always had two cars. Good luck doing that today.

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    2. Re:Yeah, but... by duffbeer703 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's not up to code anywhere.

      Not only is straw a fire hazard, but your home will be infested with rodents.

      How do you get an earth sheltered, passive solar home anyway?

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  3. MBA by BoomerSooner · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You get an MBA, you move into management and become the CIO/CTO. Happens all the time.

    I wish there were a day I didn't have to be the sysadmin at my jobs. Unfortunately I am the default admin because I have the most experience and it's also why I got hired (as a systems developer).

    I admin my own machines as well and the primary reason I like OS X over Linux and Windows is the Software Update. I am evaluating migrating my Linux servers running qmail/oracle/tomcat-apache to OS X Server with postfix/sybase/tomcat-apache.

  4. *sigh* by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sysadmins will always be needed because technology doesn't stand still. Ten years ago, a sysadmin was responsible for different systems, different technologies, and different processes. Add in wireless, PDAs, GPS, etc. and you see the point - new tech means new things to learn, new responsibilities, and that much more job security.

  5. If for no other reason - the corporate scapegoat by 59Bassman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Somebody's got to be to blame. There seem to be folks in every organization who only exist in case something goes wrong in order to take the beating. If you didn't have a sysadmin, who do you scream at if the e-mail server goes down? Who do you accuse of being inefficient when backups hang up a system for an hour or so? Technology continues to get easier to use, but corporations still need someone with responsibility for that technology.

  6. Offshoring? by jjjefff · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What about offshoring? It's a big concern for others in the tech fields, but doesn't seem to get mentioned that much in sysadmin discussions. Yet, I worked for five months as a sysadmin for a ~10-machine development environment in Toronto, Canada, and never left Austin, Texas. I just had a physical resource I could call there and say, "Go reset this box," or "On Saturday morning, we're going to replace so-and-so ethernet controller." So, I'm not India or Russia, but I did a pretty good job maintaining an environment from a thousand miles away...

  7. It's the business... by Chagatai · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I work for the food industry as a systems administrator. My systems help in abbatoirs to turn happy cows into happy steaks, happy pigs into happy bacon, etc. Our systems are relatively complex with miles and miles of customized code.

    Recently, I had a conversation with my boss about my job and the jobs of my peers. He admitted something--technically, even though our systems are so complex, all of our jobs could be outsourced to India. He said this unabashedly, without blinking an eye. "But," he said, "the value and knowledge you have about our industry and knowing how to leverage our systems to generate revenue is worth more to us than shipping your jobs overseas to cut costs."

    Yes, many sysadmin positions could be sent to Banaglore at the drop of a hat, but the truth is that in many environments the additional day-to-day knowledge of how a business works will keep jobs around. Like a fellow poster also mentioned, there is a certain degree of laying on hands that some companies will never lose, which will also keep sysadmins around.

    ...then again, trying to convince a bunch of Hindus to run systems that help kill cows is a bit of a challenge...

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