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Russia, China World's Biggest Spammers

An anonymous reader writes "According to this ZDNet article, The Spamhaus Project has warned that organised cirminal gangs in Russia are supplying U.S.-based spammers with details of compromised PCs that can be manipulated to send junk mail. According to Spamhaus director Steve Linford, the Russian gangs aren't constrained by any anti-spam or cybercrime laws in their home country and have no respect for legislation implemented in other countries. Also, apparently 70 percent of spam is sent from China by American spam outfits who in turn have hosting arrangements with Chinese ISPs."

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  1. What is the best way to stop this? by TJ_Phazerhacki · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Maybe not completely relevant to the specific subject, but what is the best way to stop this?

    User end filters are a necessity these days, and even then, I still spend at least 15 min each day dealing with the spam. My personal box - No One else knows the address, it is for my own internal network purposes, is chock full of the stuff.

    What do other slashdot'ers do? What can we hope to see in the near future?

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    1. Re:What is the best way to stop this? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe not completely relevant to the specific subject, but what is the best way to stop this?

      Due to the global nature of the internet, the only way is to wait until the governments of China and Russia change due to public, internal pressure. Note that this may take some time.

      In the meantime, SpamBayes might help.

    2. Re:What is the best way to stop this? by chimpo13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Going after the money would be more effective. Sure, we can't go into China and Russia, but we can make life HELL for USA spammers. If we make it unprofitable here and send more of them to jail, that'll stop most of the jerks. Even if it's just Scott Richter that goes to jail, that'll put a major dent in the action.

    3. Re:What is the best way to stop this? by halowolf · · Score: 5, Insightful
      While end user filters are a necessity, they should be the last line of defense, because by the time the SPAM has reached you, it has stolen the bandwidth, CPU cycles and disk space to get there.

      I currently sit in the "email itself must change" camp to fix the problem of SPAM. Of course its an impractical camp to sit in at the moment, but things are moving along slowly.

      I can't see that addressing the problem of SPAM on an international law basis is going to yield any results in the near and not so near future.

      Just random opinions on my part...

    4. Re:What is the best way to stop this? by pe1chl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The best way is to make sure this way of advertisement of your services is illegal in the USA, and actively go after those that still do it.

      90% or more of all SPAM advertises a product or service in the USA. While it may be difficult to track the spammer, it should be simple for law enforcement agencies to track down the actual advertiser.
      I cannot imagine one would not be able to find the guy who offers you a low-interest mortgage, for example. Make him go out of business. Then his competitors will no longer spam.
      Same for the sale of unlicensed health products.

    5. Re:What is the best way to stop this? by lars_boegild_thomsen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Aren't you missing one important fact here? That most of the spam are promoting american products? This is a big like fighting drugs by throwing the addicts to jail and hitting small time street pushers. The only way to deal with this is to his the ones that profit big time - which are the ones trying to sell their products using these questionable means.

      Fact is if I look at my inbox - something like 95 % of all Spam promote questionable american products, 2-3 % is in russian so I don't even know what it promotes - and I have yet to see ONE spam mail that actually try to sell a Chinese product.

    6. Re:What is the best way to stop this? by dfeist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "ISPs (and any other business that gives a workstation a "real" IP address) need to block egress port 25. Comcast is going to be doing this soon, others should soon follow suit. This plugs the zombies."

      I hate it when people like you try to split the internet in to parts, "clients" and "servers". The great thing is that everyone can be both client and server! Let's not change this!

      Additionally, this measure achieves virtually nothing. Port numbers can be changed; and opening a connection to port 25 is still the normal way to send e-mail.

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    7. Re:What is the best way to stop this? by TiggsPanther · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The best way is to make sure this way of advertisement of your services is illegal in the USA, and actively go after those that still do it.

      This idea seems so obvious, and so potentially effective. So why won't the governments (or whoever else has the authority to do so) do this?

      What I'm guessing contributes to it is two simple facts.

      1. Companies pay taxes.
      2. Knowing where to draw the line between what is Spam and what is legitimate advertising.

      The first I'm guessing in itself is only a very small factor. But when a billion-selling company pays its taxes, then you want to be very sure they're not legit before pulling the plug or slapping them with hefty fines.

      The main problem is the second. A great deal of mail is easily flagged as Spam. A great deal of mail (including some advertising) is definitely legit. The difficulty is that there is also mail all across the scale.
      Too relaxed and you don't block enough Spam, people still complain, and there's enough leeway for the Spammers to adjust tactics to stay in the "grey areas".
      Too restrictive and you run the risk of arresting/fining/whatever people who were sending mail that in that case was totally legit. And in the current knee-jerk sue-em mentality, that could be a bad move to make.

      You could make it illegal to advertise certain product types over the internet, but again this could easily meet corporate resistance.

      Now banning advertising would be cool. But that's only in my personal opinion, and highly unlikely to ever happen. Besides, even I understand that sometimes advertising revenue is important - even though I perosnally hate seeing adverts anywhere I go.

      I guess that the Follow the Money idea is one that although would be the msot effective, is also the one with the biggest legal minefield.

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  2. 70% from US? by westendgirl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If 70% 70 percent of spam is sent from China by American spam outfits, wouldn't that make the US the biggest spammer?

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    1. Re:70% from US? by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, the solution isn't just in Russia and/or China, it's in the US too. Cut off the demand (by, say, making the use of unsolicited spam by businesses illegal) and you've solved the problem.

      Saying that the solution to spam is only in Russia and/or China is like saying that the solution to the war on drugs (as stupid as that is) is only in Colombia, etc.

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  3. Why does this remind me of illegal drugs? by Infonaut · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's the damned Columbians making all that cocaine! The friggin' Afghans are selling opium again!

    Evil Russian spammers! Chinese spammers want to take down America!

    And yet, in both cases there is plenty of demand from within the States. If it ain't rich kids experimenting, it's poor kids escaping with drugs from South America or Asia. If it's not a "bulk emailer" in California, it's a "clever marketer" in Florida sending millions of unsolicited email via servers in Russia or China.

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  4. Well, technically by dedazo · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The US is the largest spammer in the world. Russia and China would be the largest spam relays.

    That title is wrong.

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  5. Bullshit by autopr0n · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Headline should read, US Spammers using services of Chinese ISPs, Russian mob. The Spam originates here, and ends up here. The vast majority of Spam is in English, and targeting an American audience.

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    1. Re:Bullshit by RollingThunder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More correctly, the vast majority of spam you recieve in the US is in English, and targeting an American audience.

      At my last job, I adminned machines in Seoul. 95% or more of the spam was pure Korean, targeting Koreans.

      The spammers know their audiences, and target accordingly. The other-language spam you get is errors.

  6. Re:Solution? by theguywhosaid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    or 1. people could just stop being assholes.
    or 2. people could just stop reading it and buying the junk.

    i would rather my first solution happens, because as a side effect there wouldnt be any more assholes. number two wont happen, because sometimes you just want to see if it really will make your junk bigger. your idea is GREAT, but... i dont really know what the new paradigm would be.

  7. The Russian mafia by drgonzo59 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That is the other (electronic) Russian Mafia. Unlike the dumb Italian teamstears who beat people with baseball bats, some of these guys are very skilled and intelligent. The counterparts of many American geeks in Russia couldn't find a well paying job, have plenty of time, and nowadays on the Internet, they have access to all the technical information they need on any subject. They will use the best asset they have, their brain, to make money or build recognition for themselves. And the way the laws are shady there they think they can get away with anything as long as its online. If spam will make a couple of hundred rubles - they'll get into spam, if they can extort money from banks by compromising their webservers, they will do that. How do I know all this? I grew up in those part and still visit friends and family once in a while...

  8. Re:New laws by humankind · · Score: 4, Insightful

    why moderate the above comment down? Makes no sense

    With all due respect, it would make sense to you if you had sense.

    We have a ton of spam laws already. Passing more laws doesn't change a damn thing. Almost all spammers are already breaking numerous laws, criminal felonies involving computer tampering are just the start. In fact, the USA Patriot act could even be employed to consider the activities of most spammers to be terrorism and thus subject spammers to capital punishment. What more do you need? The problem isn't more laws. The problem is.... say it with me.....

    E N F O R C E M E N T

    Our law enforcement branches are more interested in going after people downloading Metallica or Martha Stewart's stock dealings than they are enforcing the plethora of violations done by spammers. Passing more laws has not proved effective.

  9. Wrong headline by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The headline is "Russia, China World's Biggest Spammers". The text says "organised cirminal gangs in Russia are supplying U.S.- based spammers with details...". The SPAMMERS ARE AMERICAN. The spam is mostly from Americans, to Americans. The solution is in America. Don't fuck up the whole world's Internet because you can't work out how to stop the 100 guys in Boca Raton who send most of the spam.

    PS "cirminal": Jesus, Timothy, you're actually paid to edit this?

  10. Re:Give users the power to block countries... by AtomicBomb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As many around here have pointed out, the bulk (80%) of the spam are sent by compromised cable/DSL machines. In other words, even if you can find the IP the email is originated from, it offers no solution to you.

    The "70%" figure mentioned earlir on refers to the percentage of url embedded in the spam (e.g. the store for the V1a4Ga) that uses an IP from China... If you manage to instruct your spam filter to read inside the email main body, you may have a solution.

    On the other hand, I don't think it will be a long lasting solution.... If spammers can send spam thru compromised machine, they should be able to web host their site thru a compromised machine...

  11. There is a fundamental problem with email by Daedius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People want an open public form of communication, but are unwilling to accept email from people they don't want to hear. I think its interesting that people expect others (i.e. government) to go after these individuals in the hopes that it will put an end to all unwanted email (especially when the individuals are in other countries). If you sat down in the middle of times square, do you think its fair to expect people to stop yelling, the cars to stop honking, cellphones to stop beeping, or the people to stop shuffling past you? The truth is, you will always get unwanted email if you aren't going to actively manage what email gets to you. Do you ever get SPAM from IM? No. The reason why is because you have actually personally networked who you want to talk to and eliminated all others. I believe the future of email communication will be based around a networked process of individual/group permissions. Till that day, people are going to be lazy, unhappy, and wishing for something impossible -- that SPAM will end if they do nothing.

  12. A simple Question... by Lord_Pain · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why are we not punishing the fools who hire these spamming bastages to promote their business?

    After all if the source of the spammers income dwindles then they wither. Perhaps I'm being overly simplistic.

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