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Sega Goes Cheap to Battle EA in NFL Game Sales?

An anonymous reader writes "According to as yet unconfirmed reports on DealRush.com, Sega is going full force at EA's football market share by slashing their football game's price by 60% and only asking $19.99 this upcoming year, instead of the usual $49.99. EA, the current market leader in football games, outsells Sega's title, year after year, by a wide margin. This year Sega may have adopted a new strategy to hook them with price, and follow through with quality in an effort to increase sales. EA has yet to respond. ESPN NFL ships in August for Playstation 2 and Xbox. [A GameSpot report has a Visual Concepts spokesperson indicating there will be 'big announcements regarding the game soon', but there's no official word.]"

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  1. This will probably... by schild · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This will probably work and Sega will prove you can make bank and charge considerably less than the going rate for a game. After they rake in the beans from their mass quantity of sales the industry will go "[the sheep] are still willing to pay $50" and not change anything. Way to go Sega, keep fighting the good fight to stay afloat!

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    1. Re:This will probably... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not sure about that. I am really enthusiastic about Segas approach, but I think that the mass market will view this price point as a lack of quality "Sega's Sports game must suck or something, because it's less than half the Price of EA's!" (People are just dumb like that)

      I hope that's not the case, but time will tell.

    2. Re:This will probably... by MacBrave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hope this works. It sucks having to shell out $49.99 for a 'new' version of Madden that essentially contains only roster updates and maybe 1-2 small new features.

      This may force EA to charge more competative prices for it's Madden series.

    3. Re:This will probably... by MarkPNeyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I love how you "have to shell out $49.99 for a 'new' version of Madden" If it sucks so bad, why don't you just keep playing Madden NFL 2004 for the rest of your days?

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    4. Re:This will probably... by UconnGuy · · Score: 1

      Especially in the US. Most American consumers seem to have in our minds that bigger is better (i.e. SUV's) and pricier must mean it's better. Usually that isn't the case, but the brand name companies know people will pay for the brand and the company jacks their prices up.

      I am guilty of this mentality as well. I know that there are numerous times, especially at the supermarket, where I will be looking at two items (one store brand, the other name brand). I end up going back and forth and usually think that the store brand is cheaper because it's less quality (although sometimes it is). I am usually able to convince myself to buy the cheaper of the two though as I don't usually care about things that are a little bit less quality. Most of the time the quality is the same though.

    5. Re:This will probably... by MacBrave · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I mistyped. Actually I don't pay full price. I wait 4-6 months after the initial release when prices fall about %50 or so.......

    6. Re:This will probably... by PTBNL · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, nobody has to.

      In all of the sports games I play, though, I enjoy playing with current rosters, and most sports games don't offer roster updates beyond the season they're released for obvious reasons.

    7. Re:This will probably... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope this works. It sucks having to shell out $49.99 for a 'new' version of Madden that essentially contains only roster updates and maybe 1-2 small new features.

      If you don't like the price, then

      DON'T. BUY. IT.

  2. so great by meatbridge · · Score: 2, Interesting

    i think it's amazing that competition is helping lower prices. video games have been really expensive for a long while. unfortunately i don't play sports titles.

    1. Re:so great by MarkPNeyer · · Score: 3, Informative

      "it's amazing that competition is helping lower prices" ???

      I wouldn't say that in an economics classroom - you'd just get blank stares and dirty looks.

      Of course competition lowers pricing - it almost always does. I say "It's about damn time," because the pricing of video games just doesn't make any sense. There aren't enough video game publishers for there to be true free market conditions.

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    2. Re:so great by hambonewilkins · · Score: 1

      Right, but if the market will bear $50 games, they'll charge $50. If you notice, the $9.99 rack at Walmart are games that people assume (rightly) suck, or else they would cost $50.

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    3. Re:so great by joinder · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many people are like me who basically have their gaming clock set back two-three years and find gaming nirvana on these budget racks. I've given up needing to have the latest greatest and I play catch up with what was new a few years ago.... Granted it doesn't support the gaming industry all that well by buying something at the end of its lifecycle and playing football games where Kordell Stewart actually has good ratings is a bit disorienting. Actually the Sega move already has caused me to preorder NFL2k5 for the xbox. I think it's a good move, although I agree that it could cause some to question quality (wrongly question albeit) because of the lower price.

    4. Re:so great by hambonewilkins · · Score: 1
      I wonder how many people are like me who basically have their gaming clock set back two-three years and find gaming nirvana on these budget racks.

      Sorry, yes, that is how I buy games as well. The racks I meant is the games like "Midnight Import Racer" and "Deer Hunter" and all the games that come in jewelcase only and have never retailed for more than $9.99. I agree about waiting for good games to drop in price.

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    5. Re:so great by joinder · · Score: 1

      Totally agree with you....Deer Hunter 2005 doesn't exactly echo quality! ;)

    6. Re:so great by dubious9 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      are games that people assume (rightly) suck

      I don't know about Walmart, (there aren't many in the largish city where I live), but when the discount bins in many software stores I have seen are classics. Sure there are noname crap, but I've paid $10 (or less) this year for Black and White, Sam and Max Hit the Road, X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter, Day of the Tentacle, X-COM Ufo Denfense.

      Case in point: my Girlfriend loves adventure games, but those aren't in style much anymore. When I pointed out that she could have all of the SCUMM-type games for like $50, she all of a sudden didn't mind going into the software store with me anymore. I admit, that some are a rare find, but cost, as a previous poster said, doesn't denote quality.

      I find it wierd that people will wontonly spend money on lavishly priced items when cheap items are often better. Or that people spend 50K on a car they spend an hour in a day, yet still sleep on a crappy mattress or have a crappy chair at work. Sorry about the rant, but people need to think more about actual worth than price.

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    7. Re:so great by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The beauty of individual freedoms is that people are free to spend their money on what they like. Perhaps to you a nice car falls lower on the list of importance than a nice chair but for some people - this is reversed. The question is; why do you care? Why do you get so upset over this? Spend your money how you want to spend your money and let other people spends theirs how they want to spend it.

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  3. Be thankful by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Informative

    Over here (Europe) EVERYTHING is 60(~US$70).

    Only second hand crappy games would be $50. You'd have to dive deep into the bargin bin to get one for $19.99.

    Some games are works of art, some are god awful pieces of software unfit for use. Not only that games are the same price across systems?! Why is the current system of price fixing in effect? Someone call the FCC! The FCC's european counterpart!

    At least PC games have a good spread in price. I picked up C&C:Red Alert 2 for 7!!! Hot danm!

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    1. Re:Be thankful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a masive shop around here selling old pc games for 1 and 10 (new, not used)

  4. Re:Correction by meatbridge · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    is this true even if they are referring to EA as an entity?

  5. I generally only buy one... by Ummagumma · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...which is always Madden. I know the quality will be good, and know the gameplay. I bought NFL2k a few years ago, and while good, I still preferred Madden.

    At the $20 price point, I will still purchase Madden, but now will ALSO purchase ESPN NFL, to see how I like it. At the $50 price point, I never would have tried this.

    Kudos to Sega, for giving me a chance at their game!

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    1. Re:I generally only buy one... by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 1
      ...which is always Madden. I know the quality will be good, and know the gameplay. I bought NFL2k a few years ago, and while good, I still preferred Madden.

      Why buy 4 different versions of the Madden when all they do is update the player list? EA must love you.

    2. Re:I generally only buy one... by xTown · · Score: 1

      I'm exactly the opposite; I don't care for the Madden series. I wish I could pinpoint exactly why, but I just can't. I can't get used to the game, I guess. I dunno.

      The Sega products just always seemed to make more sense. I guess it's because, like you did with Madden, I played a lot more of the Sega NFL products, so I'm just used to the way it goes.

      I'm happy, because now I can buy the new one when it comes out, rather than waiting for it to come down to $20 or less. EA should do the same; I'd buy Madden for twenty bucks just to give it more of a try than a three-day rental affords.

    3. Re:I generally only buy one... by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 2, Informative

      Spoken like someone who hasn't played the series in any depth. To the casual observer and intellectually shallow person who feels the need to berate anyone who enjoys sports video games and sports in general [in an attempt to feel superior], the Madden series may look like a series of roster updates. This is not the case. I'd explain a number changes that have come about through the years but why bother? You've already judged without any knowledge whatsoever. Go back to thinking you've got some great intellect; your dream world is where you should stay.

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    4. Re:I generally only buy one... by Ummagumma · · Score: 1

      thank you, I couldn't have said it any better myself.

      Tough to teach the ignorant.

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    5. Re:I generally only buy one... by bigman2003 · · Score: 1

      Well, since you have played the series to some depth...

      (no, I am not the guy who you responded to above...)

      I've played a few sports games, and I've liked all of them. Tennis, golf, basketball (NBA Street) and snowboarding.

      The football games always seemed a little overwhelming, and difficult to pick-up, because there are so damn many options.

      From a casual football fans perspective, are these games easy enough to pick up and play within the first 30 minutes? I'm not concerned about trading players, creating plays, etc. etc. Essentially all I really want is Tecmo Bowl with updated graphics.

      Will either one of these football games be accessible for someone like me? I suffer from too many games, and not enough time, so I won't want to get into it too deeply, but the idea of playing football sounds good to me. And Sega's price of $20 sounds good, but my time is much more valuable to me than $30, so if Madden is better I don't mind spending the extra dough.

      Sorry about the stupid question-

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    6. Re:I generally only buy one... by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 1
      I can only speak for the Madden series as I have only played one of the Sega games but, for the most part, the Madden line is fairly good in regards to only requiring you to understand the most basic aspects of gameplay. The various options that have sprung up in recent versions, stadium maintenance, creating plays, trading players, the draft, etc., can be effectively ignored if you're not interested in.

      In terms of on-field gameplay, I would say that playing the game is no more complicated than a game like Tiger Woods golf, especially if you play on Rookie mode. On harder settings, the defense will adjust to your offense and it's critical for you to find holes and audible but on Rookie mode you can just run whatever plays you want. Perhaps someone else can comment on the ease of playing the Sega line.

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    7. Re:I generally only buy one... by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Go back to thinking you've got some great intellect; your dream world is where you should stay.

      ROFL! Excellent troll. You had me on hello! :-)

    8. Re:I generally only buy one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, a lot of changes: I hope this works. It sucks having to shell out $49.99 for a 'new' version of Madden that essentially contains only roster updates and maybe 1-2 small new features. Roster updates. That is what it is.

  6. my thoughts by musikit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    heard about this yesterday and thought it was a great thing

    eventually EA will cut prices on football games to $20 to combat this and plays will ask "well how come all sports game can't be $20?" then all sports games will have to be cut to $20. eventually people will go "well if sports games are $20 why can't all games be $20?" and then the world will be a better place. for you, and me. just wait and see.

    1. Re:my thoughts by happyfrogcow · · Score: 1

      Isn't it true that EA has an exclusive contract with the NFL players union, so only Madden will have associated names of players? If so, then that may add to EA's price tag and also be a big selling point, if it is in fact exclusive.

      Personally, if games were $20 or even $30, I would be more likely to try games that may not be that great, or are by a new company, or of a genre I don't particulary know. It seems that more game companies would end up making money, resulting in better developments in the future, instead of this "make or break" situation they are in.

      maybe that wouldn't happen, but i feel it could.

    2. Re:my thoughts by Slyght · · Score: 1

      I don't really see it going that way. EA Sports is the most powerful sports franchise in the gaming market, and there are a lot of loyal fans to the Madden series that would rather pay the $30 difference for the game that they're used to playing. There certainly will be some people that get NFL 2K5 instead of, or in addition to, Madden 2005, but I really doubt that it's going to be a significant amount to get EA worried. EA would only drop the price if they were losing a lot of sales to cheaper franchises. And if this plan doesn't work out as well as they hope, this could significantly hurt Sega, which could even possibly cause them to stop making sports games, and then EA would basically have zero competition.

    3. Re:my thoughts by redune45 · · Score: 1

      I guess you have never played an NFL game.
      They all have the real names, most have the real likeness of the players too.

      I'm pretty sure Madden and ESPN both have essentially the same deals with the NFL and NFLPA

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    4. Re:my thoughts by bigman2003 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The whole exclusive players contract thing was just a rumour. Ended up being not true.

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    5. Re:my thoughts by happyfrogcow · · Score: 1

      way to jump to irrelevant conclusions. i have last years madden. you want to go back a few year too? i've had some madden on playstation. '97 on my computer. '94 on genesis (i think it was 94). Tecmo Super Bowl, and original Tecmo Football for nintendo. i think out of all those, only the original Tecmo didn't have names. but did have likenesses. i could be wrong, it's bee a long time.

      even so, what does your statement have to do with my assumption on the NFL players association contract? Which as noted by someone else, was just an unsubstantiated rumor.

    6. Re:my thoughts by DaZedAdAm · · Score: 1

      I don't play NFL games at all, but I pretty much still agree with your point for a different reason. I go to the University of Alabama (and yes, we're a drinking school with a football problem) and I'd say around 90-95% of the guys that go to school down here play EA's NCAA200* line of games on either the Playstation2 or Xbox. I have yet to see anyone down here playing any other college football game. EA Sports clearly has more loyal customers than Sega, and while a price drop from Sega might change a few people's choice, most will keep playing EA's games.

    7. Re:my thoughts by redune45 · · Score: 1

      Well I have ESPN 2004 and all the players have their real names....

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    8. Re:my thoughts by tenton · · Score: 1

      The original (NES) Tecmo Bowl absolutely had the names, at least the last names.

  7. Possible Backfire but Great Idea by the_riaa · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This could work great for Sega, but there's a pretty high potential for backlash. Sure, they'll sell a lot more copies - but Sega's market share in the football game market is what, maybe 15% as of now? They'll sell more copies, but at less than half the amount they used to make - that's a nice hit to their profit margins. No matter if Sega's ESPN games are of better quality than Madden, they don't have EA's hype and marketing machine [and tradition]. Some better advertising plus this rediculously affordable price, and they really could gain some ground, even if only for a year. For the record, I bought NFL2K the day it came out for Dreamcast, and I'm a huge fan of the ESPN NFL games - up to the point where they dropped support for my Gamecube [jerks!]. I guess I'll have to play them on Xbox now.

    Speaking of Xbox, that's really where these games stood above Madden, with the Xbox live play - with EA jumping onto Xbox Live next year, forget that advantage.

    But at $19.99? Hell, I'd buy copies for my cross-country friends just so I can whoop their asses on Xbox Live. If Sega does this with their other sports games, their very-excellent NBA and NHL games could catch fire. The ESPN presentation elements is fantastic.

    1. Re:Possible Backfire but Great Idea by FutureViperOwnr · · Score: 2, Informative
      No matter if Sega's ESPN games are of better quality than Madden, they don't have EA's hype and marketing machine [and tradition].

      That may be true, but Sega has really built up a solid reputation in the past 2-3 years with their 2kX sports games (especially their baseball game - EA scrapped their baseball franchise and all of its history and reputation to start all over after World Series Baseball slapped it around for several years).

      And with their new publishing deal with Take Two, you've got to think that there will be more advertising and marketing than before.

      I was ecstatic when I saw the new price point. I immediately pre-ordered the game. In the past, I've always just played the "year behind game" where I'd buy the previous year's iteration in the bargain bin after the new one came out. Download the last roster update (Xbox Live) and then manually tweak them to reflect the new years starting rosters. Ta-da. It's a new game to me and I didn't shell out full price for a glorified sports game expansion pack.

    2. Re:Possible Backfire but Great Idea by jmauro · · Score: 1

      They'll sell more copies, but at less than half the amount they used to make - that's a nice hit to their profit margins.

      I think your making the mistake that it'll cost them more than $20 dollars per copy. They'll probably still be pulling in a profit if the sold them at $10 dollars. The production costs of a game are quite low and the fixed cost of making the game drop quite quickly as you increase the number of units sold.

    3. Re:Possible Backfire but Great Idea by FubarPA · · Score: 1

      Just as a minor correction, EA will be on XBox Live this year. Madden will have Live this year.

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    4. Re:Possible Backfire but Great Idea by Chibi · · Score: 1
      They'll sell more copies, but at less than half the amount they used to make - that's a nice hit to their profit margins.


      Think big picture. Lots of people like to say that Sega's/Visual Concepts football game is superior to Madden, but Madden dominates because of name recognition, marketing, etc. By offering this low price, Sega is hoping more people will be exposed to their game. Then it's possible that people will see that their game is better, and they start changing their brand loyalty. At least that's my guess for some of the rationale behind these plans.

      Disclaimer: I haven't played a console football game in a few years. And, of course, taste is subjective.

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  8. Where is NFL BLITZ!?!? by bigdady92 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Am I the only creature on the face of the planet who remembers this game and NBA JAM! and thinks that it was 10X better than your avg. football game?

    It was unique and creative and had ways for you to 'boost' and 'upgrade' your players as well as playing for the same teams that were in the current NFL league.

    I like my games to have a lil more than your avg football game and especially hearing in NBA JAM where the announcer said "HES ON FIRE!" or in blitz where your guy would speed up and bust people up made that game more enjoyable.

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    1. Re:Where is NFL BLITZ!?!? by the_riaa · · Score: 1

      NFL Blitz and NBA Jam were both redone and updated by Midway, but the franchises turned to shit - no good updates, the games felt old and tired. If you want games with the same level of fun those old games had, then check out EA's "Street" games. NBA Street vol 2 and NFL Street are both a lot of fun, and the original NBA Street can probably be picked up new for less than $10 for all three consoles.

    2. Re:Where is NFL BLITZ!?!? by Funk_dat69 · · Score: 1

      yeah, there were newer versions, but the tightwad NFL wouldn't let them use the NFL name/teams if they kept BLITZ as a rule-less tackle-fest. Too bad.

      NFL Street is kind of the spirtual successor though - check that out.

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    3. Re:Where is NFL BLITZ!?!? by Deadguy2322 · · Score: 1

      Blitz is, and always has been a Midway game, but NBA Jam has been an Acclaim property since the home version of Tournament Edition. They bought ALL rights to the name from the NBA behind Midway's back. Midway did keep making NBA games, just under different titles every year. (Hangtime, Hoopz and Showtime) Good games, lousy marketing strategy.

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  9. I have one minor worry... by LordPixie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Needless to say, developers slashing prices is a good thing. However, I'm worried how casual gamers might take this. The general public seems to have accepted the fact that games big cost $50. Only charging $20 could make Sega's games appear as though they are producing something less than a decent title. I know that I would generally be wary of something that costs 60% less than everything else on the market. This often indicates lower quality in a product.

    Now, I sincerely hope this is not the case. I would love to see Sega thrive charging less for their games. But it would be a real shame if they didn't sell because they undercut too much, and consumers didn't realize the other games are overpriced...


    --LordPixie

    1. Re:I have one minor worry... by Slyght · · Score: 1
      I agree, reducing the price by 60% is definately a double-edged sword, and they certainly are risking that consumers will think that it's bargain-bin material. Consumers that aren't up to date with gaming news may see this on the shelf and say "Wow, this game's already been marked down to $20, it's that bad? Didn't it just come out? Maybe I should just pay the $50 for the EA title that I know will be of good quality and not run the risk."

      It will be interesting to see how this all plays out, but it actually may have been a safer move to sell it at $30 or $40, which is starting to become a trend for smaller games.

  10. Parents Will Love It! by blueZhift · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's face it, a lot of these games are still being bought by parents and grandparents for kids as gifts, bribes, etc... So slashing the price to the impulse buy level of $19.99 will play well with this crowd. And if the quality is up to previous titles, then for once low price won't mean some crappy knockoff of a hit title.

    Way to go Sega! I may pick up a copy or two (my nephew would love this...). I hope that if successful, it will put some downward pressure on the prices of new releases. Still, for the amount of entertainment, compared to movies for example, game prices aren't too bad. But I still remember in my younger days, that a new game meant a lot of work and saving, so $19.99 could bring in a lot of new young gamers too.

  11. About time... by gamgee5273 · · Score: 1
    I'm not arguing that the teams who work on sports titles are any less busy, if not busier, than teams who work on non-sports titles. But, it has always been my opinion that, for titles that come out every year, it is insane to think that any but the most diehard fans are going to pay $49.99 for Madden every year. What if you are into Madden, NBA Live and FIFA? That's a $150/year investment (more after sales tax)... you can buy another console for that much! That is why I have always bought the last season's sports titles at deep discounts ($19.99 or even $9.99 in many cases).

    Now, if Sega's pricing takes hold, it would be great to get the regular sports titles (not things like EA Big titles, of course) for a total of $60/per year and have this season's games. I like the idea and I applaud Sega for doing it (even if it was out of desperation). I like the ESPN games and think Sega has a lot to contribute to the market (though I would not argue that EA doesn't have better overall games in this area). It's about time this happened...

    1. Re:About time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only they still made their sports games for gamecube!

    2. Re:About time... by gamgee5273 · · Score: 1

      True... the last ESPN games I picked up were for my GC. But I can understand the business reasons for doing so.

  12. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guess who's been reading "Eat's shoots and leaves"

  13. Re:Correction by gamgee5273 · · Score: 3, Informative
    No, no, no. Man, the assumptions just fly around here sometimes, don't they?

    The title is Eats, Shoots & Leaves. The official site is here. Also, it is a book, not a short story or an article. Either underline it or put it in italics - do not put it in quotes. And where's the question mark?

    Now: I have yet to pick the book up. However, I do have a BA and an MA in English, which might explain it for you.

  14. I was thinking the same thing. by LordPixie · · Score: 1

    it actually may have been a safer move to sell it at $30 or $40, which is starting to become a trend for smaller games.

    This was almost exactly what I was thinking. ALL the big publishers sell games at 50$. $30-$35 is still significantly cheaper, but is much less likely to to set off warning bells that you might be purchasing a piece of crap. $19.95 just smells....cheap. Sega would garner a higher profit margin with less chance of backlash by just making their games a little more expensive. (I can't believe I just advocated a company raise their prices.)

    However, this issue could probably be mitigated with effective advertising. That can go alot to make people aware that these aren't just 'bargain' games - they're games at a bargain. And not just gaming magazine adverts. They need to get the word out on more mainstream outlets.


    --LordPixie

    1. Re:I was thinking the same thing. by Slyght · · Score: 1

      Yeah, effective advertising could get the word out that these games are good. I wouldn't be surprised to see excessive advertising on ESPN.

  15. Re:Correction by chrismcdirty · · Score: 1

    Why does that person need a question mark? I read the sentence as if it was a command.

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  16. Re:Correction by gamgee5273 · · Score: 1
    Good point. Depends on context, I think. I read it as a question, like, "Guess who's coming to dinner?"

    However, you are correct - that could be read as a command.

  17. Why the $50 price point? by Gothic_Walrus · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I've never really understood why sports games cost so much, especially at the end of a system's lifestyle.

    What is the company doing that warrants the $50 price tag? More importantly, what needs to be changed? Updating rosters and adding expansion teams makes complete sense, as does throwing in any redesigned jerseys or uniforms.

    Still...do we really need a brand new graphics engine every year? There's only so much that can be done, you know, and the changes in each console generation are usually relatively small. How about all of the modes that they've been throwing in? Owner? Coach? How about Popcorn Vendor mode? Sell buttery fresh goodness while watching the game as you walk around the stands! The games are just fine graphically and controlwise, and we've got all of the modes that we need: single game, multiplayer, season, playoffs, and practice are really all that a game must have. The others are nice but unneeded.

    The only thing that I can think of that would warrant the $50 price tag is online play, and even that's not really worth it. The practice with sports games as of late seems to be discontinuing online gameplay shortly after the new game comes out, and Xbox Live is already $50 a year. Is a year of online football really worth an extra $50? I'd much prefer it if they offered free and continuous online play without any form of official support or leagues, but that's just a pipe dream...

    I've got a feeling that Sega won't be losing much money from this. Tweak the graphics and modes if you must, but as long as it's got the basic modes and current rosters, it's got everything that's needed.

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    1. Re:Why the $50 price point? by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      How much does it cost to license the team jerseys, player names, stadium names, etc. for a sports game?

      Nope, not worth $50 for me, but that is bound to keep the dev costs from sinking as low as they could with a mature engine, etc.

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  18. margin, boy! margin! by jbellis · · Score: 2, Funny

    holy crap, if you don't know what the word means don't bother replying.

  19. Not a rumor anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Can already be pre-ordered at Gamestop for 20 bucks.

    PS2

    XBox

    1. Re:Not a rumor anymore by mandalayx · · Score: 1

      yep, can be pre-ordered, just like the Duke Nukem Forever guide

  20. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Such is the confusion that arises when there is no ending punctuation at all. The reader is left to determine the writer's intended meaning.

    You've already earned two positive moderations from this enchanting, off-topic discussion. Note the original poster's user name and posting history, and cut your losses now. The battle for grammatical correctness is hardly worth fighting on Slashdot. We likes our shiznit cordial and simple all up in here, aight? Allow the masses their flaws.

  21. Re:Correction by gamgee5273 · · Score: 1
    It's fun, though. :)

    Plus, to be frank, I have way the hell too much karma not to burn right now...

  22. You've been missing out by AvantLegion · · Score: 1
    It took a few years to get there, but Sega's NFL game has been considerably superior to Madden for a couple years running now.

    1. Re:You've been missing out by Ummagumma · · Score: 1

      Why do you say this? Keep in mind, I havent touched Sega since NFL2k, and I'm always willing to give a new football game a try...

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      "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." - Thomas Jefferson
    2. Re:You've been missing out by Lewisham · · Score: 1

      Amen to that. I like the idea of playing a game where I feel in control. Madden is way too fast, it's an arcade game in NFL clothing. The NFL2K games are so much better it's not funny. It's shocking that Sega are trailing so badly, especially against the immaculate 2K presentation. How can anyone enjoy hearing Madden repeat a single line for the 379th time, that had absolutely no relevance to the play that unfolded? I've been playing ESPN NFL on my shiny new Xbox, and hearing Dan Stevens and Pete O'Keefe banter and comment on plays (and replays) is just spectacular, especially coupled with the precise ESPN branding, it's a wonder why they don't get these (fictional) guys actually on the TV. And the commentary just keeps getting better, year on year.

      Madden really needs to up it's game.

  23. I am going Sega by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

    If I can get the updated roster of 2004-2005 this year at $19.99, there ain't no way in hell I am buying Madden football.

    Last year when I rented Sega's football it was just slighty off because it didn't retain statistics as good as madden. That will all change now, especially since the gameplay was always on par.

  24. already done... by Frenchy_2001 · · Score: 1

    I dont know where you people all shop for your games, but i'm just back from my neighbouhng Fry's and all the EA 2004 sport lineup is already at $19.99. Most of the new PC releases are also around $35. Some games keep the premium and sell at $50, but most dont.

    Moreover, prices fall sharply quite fast for those "premium" games. A few months and they are at $29 or $19.

    On top of that, Fry's often special sales just on the release date of big games.

    With all that, i dont think i've paid $50 for a game in a long time... And this is good, as this way, I buy more of them. ^_^

    1. Re:already done... by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 1
      EA's 2004 lineup is composed of last year's games. The upcoming Madden 2005 will be the game that ESPN Football [the game which is being released at 19.95] will be competing against, not Madden 2004 - which you would have seen at Fry's.

      Obviously you don't buy any EA Sports games so why are you posting in this story? You don't have any idea what you are talking about. Yes, Madden 2004 is cheap right now but it has been out for almost a year. This is quite different than it being released at $20. Go post somewhere else.

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  25. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EA could be considered a collective noun, and the rules regarding verb agreement with collective nouns are not cut and dried. Though I come from the camp that says collective nouns get singular verbs, there are some who say that using a plural verb is acceptable when you're emphasizing the individuals in the group (I seem to remember this being a British thing?). "The Beatles" is actually the name of a corporation (or whatever the legal term for a music group is) of individuals, just as "EA" is, so inconsistency there is a little weird (though I admit that "The Beatles have" sounds better).

    (And hey, if we're gonna be really picky, you used a hyphen where you should have used an em dash. You're also inconsistent with your placement of commas and periods with quotation marks.)