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More 3D Displays to Come
Anonymous Writer writes "The first laptop using an autostereo display to show images in 3D without special glasses was the Sharp Mebius PC-RD3D in Japan, later released in the US as the Sharp Actius RD3D. NEC has a line of computers with autostereo displays as well. They are the NEC Valuestar T VT900/8D desktop, the LaVie S LS900/9E laptop, and LaVie RX LR700/8E laptop. The line uses NEC's SoundVu technology that uses the display as a speaker! Autostereo displays are becoming more popular according to Martyn Williams and Tom Krazit from the IDG News Service. In their article in PC World, they claim laptops are just the start of it. A new satellite service by Mobile Broadcasting will be broadcasting 3D content to handheld devices in Japan some time soon. Another player in this market is Dynamic Digital Depth (mentioned in a previous post of mine), whose content services convert 2D video to 3D for display in this medium. Sanyo may be releasing 50-inch Plasma Displays that can display 3D. MIT's Media Laboratory is developing a more advanced 3D display, calling it a full resolution autostereoscopic display, that would allow a viewer to walk around and not lose the 3D effect, which current autostereo displays can't do."
This will revolutionize the way pr0n is viewed!
Ahh, thank you, whomever modded this offtopic. I don't have any mod points at the moment. Let's bring the topic of discussion back to 3D Stereo displays, shall we? (Yes, I know this is offtopic too. Oops.)
I bet the first thing that they displayed was 3d dinosaurs
if the 3d display makes him look fat
http://pymol.sourceforge.net/
... that carry these 3D display laptops? I'd like to actually see the damned things before I buy one, you know!
:)
And wow, 1.3 hours of battery life. Looks like I'd need to get a really long extension cord to retain portability.
This would be extremely useful, especially in the CAD community. While I only know a little about the area of CAD and manufacturing, this combined with the inkjet plastics printing (I forget the term for it) or rapid prototyping machines would be really neat. Imagine designing something, and being able to view it in 3D from all angles (instead of a render), and then sending it to be printed off. I've never seen one of these 3D displays before; how are the objects rendered? How much processing power is needed to create such a display, especially from a 3D model? I'm sure it needs to be rendered first, but what about a flat-shading 3D program like Autodesk Inventor? 3D displays would be neat for new GUIs. Instead of having a flat 3D desktop, you could have a true 3D desktop. That would be interesting to see...
I don't want to be an smartass... but the SoundVu technology is not property of NEC, it was developed by NXT... just a word...
you mean edible? like pie? oh wait, now i get it ;)
...was that in that hefty 30 line writeup, nowhere is the cost of all of this stuff mentioned. I bet it's still all out of my price range. :-(
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I'm trying to wrap my mind around what exactly that convoluted mess of an MIT press release is trying to say. If I understand correctly, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, the system tracks the heads of the people surrounding the display, then projects left-eye right-eye information through an adjustable polarized filter and lense system so that the viewable angle only includes the intended eye. The reason they need such a high refresh-rate is because they want a system that would work with 4 people... 4 people = 8 eyes = 8 times the updates.
In essence, that's very cool. Why couldn't they just say that?
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This doesn't work with Linux? From what I read, they are assuming I run Windows ;)
Linux with kernel panic...
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I am in the market for a monitor(well, actually a TV/Monitor combo) so I headed on over to Sanyo's site. any company that makes a Hello Kitty toaster has to be an awesome company. I would order one cept I don't have $40 to burn :(
The "3D displays to come" that hold the most promise, however, will require that you wear (non-dorky) viewing glasses. These normal looking glasses will use a safe Retinal Scanning laser to directly overlay 3D imagery onto your field of view. Of course, we won't see this tech in BestBuy until the Law of Accelerating Returns has run the course of a few more years.
It's not too hard to think of several killer apps for augmented vision that make all other conventional displays pale in comparison. Even a wall-sized OLED display would take 2nd.
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Does/will any software actaully use this?
It would be very cool for CAD, but this is going to take up to much processor for real-time gaming rendering, isn't it?
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// Just my few cents
digital sterescopic imagery... for said laptops...
I'd love to take some 3-d pictures of my son for example.. esp if I could rotate the shots a few degrees....
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The first laptop using an autostereo display to show images in 3D without special glasses was the Sharp Mebius PC-RD3D in Japan, later released in the US as the Sharp Actius RD3D
Is the version without this feature, the Sharp Actius R2D2?
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If you click on the Sharp Actius RD3D link and then click "Where to Buy", they show you the direct-from-the-manufacturer cost and allow you to purchase it.
If it's worth it, I'd buy it. It's running at $2,999.00 at this moment. Can't really tell if it's worth it by looking at a picture of it over the Internet, though.
I would really love to hear a first-hand account from slashdotters who have actually seen these in person, at trade shows or whatnot. Popular media/press releases rob me of my soul.
It gives us some pretty cool stereo graphic images. The only way I've found to get a true color 3D image is to put both images side by side, then look at their center cross eyed. Is there a better way?
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Would someone explain to me how this is a troll? Are you assuming that the poster in question wants to take pornographic pictures of his son? That is not even implied in his post. What if he wants to take pictures of his son in a little-league baseball game? What if he wants to examine his batting stance from multiple angles?
Silly moderators. This is a perfectly innocent post. Please do not punish the fellow for being curious about 3-d photography. Not everyone who takes pictures of their own children is a pervert or molester.
Given the poster's recent moderation history, I'm guessing that this guy's post is not filled with nefarious intent(in jest or otherwise).
I've never seen such a set of unbelievable foul modding down of genuine posts!
I mean the arsehole is not being unfair (for that you need inteligence) - he is just thick, a simpleton, on auto-mode: barely reading the posts and clicking-in the radio-buttons.
This modding system would work if we had slick/cool/wise people doing it - but not by idiots like these.
NB: I am *NOT* saying this for myself - but seeing interesting remarks modded down stupidly (from people that have way more to offer than our moron in question) - does somewhat piss me off!
3D photo imaging never seems to become mainstream, and not having to wear viewing glasses may help its acceptance, at least in some areas (visualization, gaming).
And there's nothing like the natural appearance of a good 3D Photo.
Best Buy can have you arrested
Wow, no "viewing pr0n in 3d" comment yet.
They call it "Mebius" (in reference to Moebius) and their logo is a twisted loop. However, if you look carefully, the strip has two twists in it, and therefore is NOT a moebius strip.
Ok maybe I'm being too geeky here.
There are 3 root level posts modded troll that should not be, so hopefully the person responsible will be metamoderated appropriately.
Canon was going to produce a 3D lens for their XL1 DV cam, but they canned the idea.
SeeReal and other stereo monitor manufactures use a similar technique as the Sharp laptop, but the go one step further and track the viewers position and shift the internal LCD to face the viewer. This improves the small view angle, but make the monitor thicker and wider to accommodate the clearance required for the shifting.
There are a number of us out there (yes me...), I think around 1-3%, who have effectively no 3D (stereoscopic) vision. In my case, I can detect a profound shift from eye to eye. When I tested on the fancy opthomalogical(sp?) machine where you try to line up 4 lines into a + sign (roughly), I could only ever see two at a time, which two depending on which eye I 'looked' through. In university geology courses, I could never use a stereoscope to examine stereoscopic pictures (trying to estimate a slide-mass was really fun....).
So, I wonder which, if any, of these 3D technologies will work for people with these kinds of problems? Or, will we just become another group of 'informationally handicapped' people? (Which would suck, since I'm a programmer!)
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(Of course, by then there'll be some new *AA trying to crack down on 'illegal 3-D celebrity body scans' to take all the fun out of it...)
You must think in Russian.
x.org or xfree86?
Well it's cool that AutoStereoScopic displays are here now. When can I bury my head in an ASS?
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nuff said?
back in the day we didnt have no old school
Well, I'm not an expert, but I believe you would see the images on the display like you see the rest of the world. That is ultimately the goal of 3d technology.
In the cases mentioned, the display sends slightly different perspective views to both eyes. You should still be able to see one or the other, even if you can't see both at once.
In the case of the "walkaround" 3d display mentioned in one of the links, the display should still track your position correctly and send you the right perspective, so that again you would perceive the object imaged as you would an object in the real world.
he's just big-boned.
Actually, a good 3d viewer for you may be simpler. Use an eye tracking system, and have an ordinary monitor display an oblect at a different position depending on your eye position.
This will only work for dynamically created 3d content, like 3d games. No way to do this with photos or videos.
I'm not sure about that model, but here's a picture of the R3D3 display in action.
When the MIT Media Lab puts up a webpage about a display, and it's all text, you know there's some suck built right in.
I just want LCD monitors to come down in price already! I don't want to pay $600 for a 17" LCD monitor when I can pick up a 21" regular monitor for around $250.
Meh.
That is great and all, but I believe the problem with all that, is that you -still- can't intereact with the 3D object you're seeing, at the place where it -appears-. That is, you're seeing the object in front of you, but your hand is like 30cm away on the mouse (or whatever 3D input device) trying to manipulate it. That's one thing we solved at ReachIn (a company where I used to work for) by projecting the stereo image onto a mirror, and have a 3-DOF force-feedback device installed under the mirror, so that the hand can be -at the same place as the object-!
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I think they're all barking up the wrong tree.
This 3D thing is not about making something in 2D 'appear' to be 3D, but about really making it 3D.
I mean holograms and stuff, but far beyond.
I mean when you want to save a file, you literally reach out and grab it in your fist and drop it in a folder and whoosh there it goes in the folder and its saved.
When you want to open a file, you literally pry a folder open with your fingers and then select from the contents within.
You could also use the 'office cabinet' algorithm. Someone will figure it out.
But we won't need keyboards and mice much longer. We'll talk to the danged things. And we'll have a manual override so you can 'reach out and touch it' and do it yourself.
And yes, for the fringe groups, this will mean porn comes to an all-new hi-tech level.
I doubt that retinal scanners will ever be a popular technology. First off you have to wear some sort of doohicky which blocks normal vision and is uncomfortable and jsut plain dorky.
Next, you have a laser drawing on your eye.
The one I used was mono-chrome, and the experience was a lot like looking through a keyhole at a crappy LED display. I used it for about a minute tops, and immediately after taking it off, I experienced a terrible headache and massive disorientation. I was disoriented for about half and hour and had the headache for longer.
Hey sounds like the movie Paycheck.
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Its a bit late, but a short reply:
My world is 2D as well, and I tried several 3D displays a couple of year ago, nothing worked still 2D.
In Sydney I had the first 3D experience in my life: in the powerhousemuseum.com they have a 3D display where you look into the corner of a room, two walls are projections and you have shutter glasses. Really cool, nearly missed my flight back home.
Second time was on the cebit back home. The Frauenhofer Institute have a display which is autostereoscopic, using a single large lens to projecting two beams. Great experience as well, and the headache lasted only for half an hour.
So there seem to be some displays that work. Now I only need some special glasses for augmentation, to make my normal view 3D.....
Joerg
Most systems render twice - at a viewing angle for each eye. Many 3D software (SGI-GL, OpenGL) has had this capability for 20 years.
The two American rovers plus the ESA Orbitor have dual CCD systems for 3D. JPL periodicall released stereo panoramas. The ESA results are spectacular compared to the older altimeter-based 3D renderings.