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Starz, RealNetworks Offer Movie Download Service

Mz6 writes "The New York Times and others are reporting that RealNetworks and the Starz Encore Group will introduce an online service today that will let high-speed Internet users download and watch many of the movies shown on the Starz cable channel. This report is just on the heels of TiVo's announcement to stream from the Web. This move is another early attempt by Hollywood to build a business out of downloadable movies and head off the sort of piracy that has hurt the music industry. The new service, called Starz Ticket on Real Movies, will cost $12.95 a month, and subscribers will be able to download and watch 100 or more movies each month, using Real's media player software, but only if you have a 600Kbps connection or higher."

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  1. 100 movies saying... by Robert+Hayden · · Score: 5, Funny

    Buffering ... please wait ...

  2. great... by 455 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... in order to download songs that you've purchased, please click on our sponsors first, then listen to the following ads before your song, then please let us install our software on your machine and bog it down. Enjoy our Free advertising at the end of every song! Also... please do not try to remove the song from your hard drive, as it may cause major lock-ups and really doesn't go away anyway. Thank you RealNetworks.

  3. Viva capitalism! by Len+Budney · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From one article:
    "In the cable and satellite world the 'all you can eat' subscription business model has proven to be much more popular than the transactional pay-per-view model," said Starz chairman, founder and CEO, John J. Sie.

    Going from $8 per view to $13 per month certainly looks like a step in the right direction. Maybe market forces will drive things toward a workable model after all. This is almost something I'd consider subscribing to.

    1. Re:Viva capitalism! by Didion+Sprague · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm going to do some more research on this, see if it's DRM'd, what movies they have on there. Kudos to Real for listening to customers!

      It's protected by HELIX DRM (will google later for info on Helix).

      I just subscribed today -- see my thread below -- but after downloading the Real 10 player, you go to the Starz video page, and you're asked to wait while Helix DRM is downloaded. It's tiny -- a couple seconds worth of downloading -- and you can immediately start downloading movies.

      Folks here think the 'Buffering' joke is funny (it seems to be the most common comment here), but there's no buffering with this. You simply download the protected REAL video file. It defaults to be saved in your 'My Music' folder.

      The films have to be watched in a couple weeks -- each one has an expiration date -- but apparently they can be watched as many times as you want -- and can even be watched offline.

      My first download was 'Night of the Living Dead' (before folks pointed out that it was available for free anyway), but I also downloaded 'Welcome to Sarajevo'. Anyway, DotD was around 450 megs. (I had to leave before WtS started downloading, so I didn't catch the file size.)

      I've got 6.0/768 DSL, so the download was really speedy. Took about 15 minutes to download. (It wasn't maxing out my connection.)

      You can also schedule your downloads -- so if your bandwidth is a little more limited, your connection doesn't max out all of a sudden.

      No streaming. Very painless, actually. Not a superb selection -- around 100 or so at the moment -- but there was a mix of stuff -- blockbusters, small films, etc. etc. I was hoping for a lot more recent stuff, but this is okay.

      14 day free trial. Don't know yet if once my time is up, I'll start paying. It might be worth it to see some stuff that's currently in my Netflix queue -- especially flicks that I know aren't that great but that I'm curious about (i.e. guilty pleasures).

      I gotta say, though: despite the limited selection, this is definitely the way to do it. I'm willing to put up with the DRM and the expiration dates if I'm able to snag stuff spur-of-the-moment -- especially, as I say, stuff I'm curious about but can't bring myself to put in my Netflix queue and go through the whole order-wait-watch-return cycle for Netflix (which is my case is about 3-4 days.)

  4. real by isaac338 · · Score: 5, Funny

    wow, what a good id..... buffering....ea! finally i can stop pirat......buffering....ing all my mo....buffering.....vies and get them legal.....buffering.....ly!

    thank you, starz,.......buffering.....for making it easy for me to sl....buffering....eep at night.

  5. Yep. They're hurting. Lots. by XaXXon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This move is another early attempt by Hollywood to build a business out of downloadable movies and head off the sort of piracy that has hurt the music industry.

    Yep. The music business is doing so poorly. Those record label executives are going to be on welfare pretty soon. Actors, directors, and those prop guys are going to be on there next.

    Wait.. didn't Harry Potter just make $90M in the US alone in its first weekend?

  6. ISP by pvt_medic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I cant wait for the letter I will be getting from my ISP about how I am abusing my internet connection and using more than I should be.

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  7. When will piracy begin ... by jokach · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So it states ....

    "Each film will have an expiration date that coincides with its last showing on the cable station. The movies will be encoded so that they cannot be played after the expiration date."

    Any estimates of how long it will take to crack this encoding?

  8. Not a good deal at all by Patik · · Score: 5, Informative
    Considering how many movies one can actually watch in a month, Netflix seems like a much better deal. They have a huge selection and you get the actual DVD so you can watch it on your TV, not the computer.

    How many people:

    • Can watch 100 movies a month
    • Only want to see what's on Starz
    • Have a 600kbps connection, and
    • Like watching movies on their PC
    ???
  9. Re:Is this a new thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    "I've been getting movie dowloads from this site for months. Oh, and its free."
    • Yeah ... A friend of mine was too ... until he got a letter from his ISP informing him that Universal Pictures had taken an interest in his movie-watching habits. Beware. BitTorrent isn't transparent. Everytime you download, you're also uploading ... and those are the people that organizations like the RIAA have gone after since the beginning. I'm guessing that MPAA will do the same.
  10. Good luck by Warlok · · Score: 5, Interesting
    My cable service (Comcast) offers On Demand viewing of movies via the set top box they provide. I have yet to sit through a 90 minute movie without having some decompression artifact appear on the screen because they can't maintain the throughput, and they're on a dedicated network. I don't see how Real can guarantee quality via the 'Net without buffering the whole damn movie first...



    For the price and quality, I'm thinking Netflix is a better deal...

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    1. Re:Good luck by Warlok · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Forgot to add - I think a more compelling business would be the flip-side of this. Rather than DL movies to my PC, how about letting me upload my own content from my PC to my cable provider for listing in the On Demand style service? With the proliferation of digital video cameras (especially on cell phone) and movie editting software for various platforms, I'd be willing to bet there's a market in every city for this, similar to the public access channels without the lottery or weekly trip to the studio. Sell the movies for a dime a piece and take a few cents off the submitter's bill everytime someone watches it. There's some details about content rating, categorization, backend capabilities, and other things to be worked out, but I'd like to see it done.

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  11. This IS NOT streaming... by Kelmenson · · Score: 5, Informative
    So many people are commenting about how awful Real's player is and the dreaded "Buffering..." that always pops up.

    But if they read the article they would see that this model does not use streaming, but rather just downloading. If they are downloaded onto your local drive, you aren't going to have buffering issues!

    Indeed, it almost sounds like the model doesn't even support buffering, because if it did then quotes like

    downloading a movie takes 10 to 30 minutes, depending on connection speeds.

    "You can sit down before dinner and say, 'What movie do we want to watch tonight?' " he said. "And after dinner the movie is ready."

    would make no sense, since a movie that takes 30 minutes to download would definitely get the data before it was needed...

    So I'd give it a chance. For the new generation of portable video devices, (like the iRiver on Slashdot last week), this looks like a great source of content. Of course tech geeks like us can already just record our cable feeds and process the content ourselves, but 99% of the people out there can't. And that's a pretty good market!

  12. Re:Nope, they don't get it. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    5-10 bucks and:

    1) It is lower quality than a DVD
    2) You have to burn it on your own media
    3) No case, no cover-art so it looks like ass on your shelf

    That needs to be priced no more than $3. By the time movies are available as pay-per-view, they are also available used at most video rental stores and often have even made it to Columbia House. That means good quality DVDs with case and cover-art are often available for around $8 new and even less than that used -- I've bought a ton of barely used foreign and indie flicks at Hollywood Video for $5.66 after tax, the big-name titles have been about $7.10 after tax.

    That comparison is a little facetious as it involves the combination of Hollywood Video's 3/$20 and 3/$25 sales and %20 discount on gift cards, and the Columbia House pricing requires more orgainzation-work than some are willing to do. But the point is that DVD pricing is in a long-term downward trend and that the market is so saturated with titles that a download service needs to provide significant improvement over competing offerings. Then there is competition with bit-torrents and the other latest P2P flavors - ignoring the fact that they are "free," the diversity of titles available via P2P is staggering, those foreign films that aren't even on DVD in the USA? Good chance they are on the net and readily available.

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  13. Re:Is this a new thing? by IrresponsibleUseOfFr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How are they "breaking the law?" They own the copyright on the work. So, presumably they are the only ones not breaking the law when they participate in the bittorrent network.

    It isn't wire-tapping. They are not government employees. They didn't need any special privledges to the internet or hack bittorrent to figure this out. It is more like just finding a list of phone numbers for crack houses. Calling them up and ordering crack, and having the crack house send it to you, reciept and all.

    They are private citizens that discover and have proof that their constitutionally guaranteed right to control distrubiution of their copyrighted work is being actively violated.

    Hell, what can be simplier for the MPAA/RIAA? They can get the file once. Demonstrate they have a copyright on it. The tracker tells them everyone that is sharing the file. All they need is to hand it over to law enforcement agencies. The case itself open-and-shut.

    Look, copyright is messed up in America. Copyright should only last for about 30 years. But, even so, you can't justify downloading the newest Harry Potter flick. Even under a more reasonable copyright system, that would still be illegal.

    Legal worries aside, it is wrong. Content creators that express that they don't want you distributing something they created are legally guaranteed to do so for a limited time. People should respect that. Even if the MPAA/RIAA is a bunch of money grubbing asshats, it doesn't make it right.

    Don't try to play with the legal technicalities. Rest assured, the law will eventually catch up to illegal distributors.

    But, I appluad Real and Starz will be trying to do something that sounds like it might be really cool. Although, only time will tell if they can overcome the problems they will face (from technical to social). But, I think it is pretty sweet that they are trying.

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