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SCO Announces Product Line Updates

ArbiterOne writes "Techworld has the story: SCO has unveiled their upcoming product plans, including a new release of UnixWare and a version for point-of-sale devices. Oddly enough, the article states that 'SCO's continuing Unix intellectual property lawsuits against IBM, Novell and others is apparently putting customers off.' I wonder how that could have happened?"

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  1. Wondering... by JoeShmoe950 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Who actually uses SCO Unixware. I mean, usually any business that wants unix will go with Linux, and in some cases AIX, etc. But who actually uses SCO Unixware, besides SCO (oops, forgot that they were running Linux...)

  2. Aren't they just saying "We screwed up"? by Pi_0's+don't+shower · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I mean, it's easy to bash someone. Read the critique from the article:
    The continuing efforts to produce a new-product road map less than a year after the last one is an indication that the marketplace is confused by the company and its strategy, said Dan Kusnetzky, an analyst at IDC. "They're seeing that people don't know who they are, and if they don't know who they are, they're not buying from them," he said. The company continues to do a lackluster job in creating brand awareness, and it hasn't been able to create a pull to its products for potential customers, he said. "This is the same conversation that has recurred since the former Santa Cruz Operation [the company's original name] and Caldera [after the merger in 2000] and now SCO."
    Isn't is just fair to say that the old strategy wasn't working (as evidenced by the 20% drop in revenue), so they're trying something new? That's what they say -- they're coming out with new products to try and be more competitive...
    UnixWare 7.1.4 and the new Smallfoot embedded Unix products are shipping now, while SCOoffice Server 4.1 will ship next month and Vintela Authentication From SCO Release 2.6 will be available in August.
  3. Yeah really.... by afidel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I interview earlier this year for a position with a large national autoparts chain, while talking about their systems they mentioned that a large amount of their legacy stuff was dialup to UnixWare servers. I asked them what their feelings were re: the longterm viability of SCO and what their contingency plans were if SCO were to fold. They basically said that they had been thinking of moving to Linux but had made no actual moves towards doing so and that they felt that even if SCO folded that someone else would buy the IP and continue the license. I responded that I doubted whoever bought the IP would continue to offer UnixWare but would rather buy it to be able to controll their own Unix product entirely and would drop UnixWare. They didn't seem too pleased with that assesment. Maybe that's why I didn't get the job but I would rather not have been hired on and then asked to clean up the mess in the future!

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    1. Re:Yeah really.... by afidel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nope, a competitor.

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    2. Re:Yeah really.... by Zathrus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I responded that I doubted whoever bought the IP would continue to offer UnixWare but would rather buy it to be able to controll their own Unix product entirely and would drop UnixWare. They didn't seem too pleased with that assesment.

      Probably because your assesment showed a lack of knowledge about the size of UnixWare's deployment.

      UnixWare (and OpenServer) licensing represents >$40M of revenue. You think anyone who buys it is just going to kiss that goodbye? Hell no. Anyone with a clue will buy it and then promptly offer a transition program over a course of 2-5 years for existing customers.

      Yeah, in a decade UnixWare may only be running on a few systems without support (and perhaps a lot of systems still with support -- if all you have to do is employ a half dozen employees for tech support and patches, and you have customer willing to pay you $1M/year for that, hey... a 50%+ profit margin isn't bad), but it's not like they're going to vanish overnight. Nor will product support. There will be a transitional phase, just like there is for any product where the vendor didn't simply go Chapter 7/11 and nobody bought the remains.

      Realistically we know that there is no value to the SCO source. UnixWare and OpenServer are both archaic by modern standards, not to mention buggy. So why would anyone buy the products except to get the existing user base? And if you get the user base, what freaking good does it do you to then tell them to bend over and enjoy the ride?

  4. [OT] The SCO Website by abertoll · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just went to the SCO website to see what they were advertising, and I noticed something...

    Any web designers want to comment on the "turning the picture into grayscale" rollovers?

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  5. Re:And a brand new ... by CompWerks · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Hey, it has worked for Direct TV and smart card programmers.

    If you caught the article from yesterday you will find that DirectTV sue fest is over.

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  6. Re:How nice of you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    its even better, guess who will probably be blamed for the DDoS attack that is happening while this is on the /. main page.

  7. Samba by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Wonder if Samba and nmap are included? Including Samba would be just arrogant after Samba made this statement. As far as nmap, SCO would be basically inviting a lawsuit after Fyodor said this:

    "SCO Corporation of Lindon, Utah (formerly Caldera) has lately taken to an extortion campaign of demanding license fees from Linux users for code that they themselves knowingly distributed under the terms of the GNU GPL. They have also refused to accept the GPL, claiming that some preposterous theory of theirs makes it invalid (and even unconstitutional)! Meanwhile they have distributed GPL-licensed Nmap in (at least) their "Supplemental Open Source CD". In response to these blatant violations, and in accordance with section 4 of the GPL, we hereby terminate SCO's rights to redistribute any versions of Nmap in any of their products, including (without limitation) OpenLinux, Skunkware, OpenServer, and UNIXWare. We have also stopped supporting the OpenServer and UNIXWare platforms."

  8. Suing Your Customers is NOT a Good Business Model by CodeBuster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oddly enough, the article states that 'SCO's continuing Unix intellectual property lawsuits against IBM, Novell and others is apparently putting customers off.' I wonder how that could have happened?

    The RIAA and the MPAA would be wise to learn something from the lesson of SCO. Perhaps they will be shrewd enough to do so....let us see.

  9. Re:What this really is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Check the insider trading history -- the dump is over. The only goal now is to appear to be legit so that they can avoid investigation.

  10. New products won't even matter by killermookie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Today's news of SCO's new product line up isn't even enough to help their stock.

  11. There is a lot of competition in Utah... by expro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Let's see...

    Senator Orin Hatch, primarily responsible for DMCA, Patriot Act (he had it written before 9/11) and lots of other very evil legislation.

    Senator Bob Bennet, perhaps more benign, but the sort of cluelessness where he claims to be a giant of tech. He takes credit for a lion's share of the drive behind convincing the government to lean on private industry with the Y2K silliness, to the effect of a hundred of billion dollar or more wasted. Then is suprised that tech later had less money to spend on legitimate projects.

    Hundreds of thousands of Mormons arguing for a constitutional ammendment that is so religiously based that it also makes the marriage practices of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, etc., which are still vigorously defended if not practiced by Mormons unconstitutional (is this an uninteended consequence? all there were previously were court rulings).

    The Utah Republican Party campaigning to defeat a popular referendum (popular in Utah where the majority is Republican) to regulate and tax the absolute worst forms of dumping of toxic wastes in Utah (also represented by Hatch's Son, like SCO).

    The list goes on and on [...]

  12. Guys, don't post anything about their products by Ravalox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No such thing as bad publicity, if we are going to stop these people slashdot should not post stories covering their saleable goods. On such a high traffic site like this, it may actually net them a sale.

  13. Re:Any good Karma? by bstadil · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I think the problem that SCO will have for many years

    Years? They will run out of cash in 4 - 7 quarters.

    7 quarters at current burn rate, 4 with accelerating expenses if the trails get underway.

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  14. Re:article by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Considering what the last UnixWare upgrade used, I have to wonder how many of these enhancements rely on GPL- and BSD-licensed software.

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  15. SCO resellers disapearing quickly.. by jaclu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    By coincidence I wisited their homepage yesterday, just to see who actually resells SCO nowadays (the list is impessivly short).

    (Im in the middle of moving a client away from a SCO solution)

    In USA, there where no resellers listed, just corporate HQ, and 2 branchoffices.

    In Germany and UK I belive it was 3, Sweden and Finland one, Africa one, middle-east one (Isreael)

    I didnt check all of them, but those I did check was not actually involved in SCO anymore, when I called them theyy got slightly embarresed to be connected to SCO, and told me that they recomended me to convert to Solaris or RedHat, depending on workload (wich they offered to help me with). They blamed SCO that they where still listed, they had terminated all connections some 4 month and 8 month agp

  16. SCO == Microsoft ??? by Lucky+Kevin · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Check out the article mentioned in the topic upcoming product plans .

    Has anyone else tried clicking on the related topics on the right hand side of the page e.g. company profile?

    It takes me straight to Micro$oft's home page!!! What's going on here? I am running FireFox 0.9 on a Mac. I notice that the link switched to is http://http//www.sco.com/company/profile.html. Even stranger, why does this take me to Micro$oft? Is someone at Mozilla playing a joke?

    I'm confused!

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  17. Re:SCO has a product? by rkhalloran · · Score: 4, Interesting
    They bought some rights to code, it's doubtful (given the Novell suit) that they got the copyrights to it. The licenses they inherited from AT&T said any code added on remained the property of those developers; only if they carried in SysV code as part of it did it need to be protected.

    Nobody's asking them to give their code away, nobody wants it. They want SCO to stop claiming they own the independently-developed Linux code that IBM brought features to, the same as they brought JFS, NUMA, etc. to AIX from their other OS'.

    SCO's business is floundering, and they've stooped to nuisance suits against a deep-pocketed IBM claiming they own AIX/Dynix, thinking they'd be bought out, but instead have drawn the attention of the Pinstripe Nazgul onto themselves. The end result is likely to be a smoking crater in Lindon where once stood SCO. And the rest of us will bring marshmallows.

  18. Re:SCO Has Products? by Tenareth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Easy there... you would be hard pressed to find anyone besides Mormons that considers Mormons to be "Christians".

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  19. nice site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    'went to RTFA, and got a cute, little pop-up, made me grin:

    Security Error: Domain Name Mismatch

    You have attempted to establish a connection with "sco.com".
    However, the security certificate presented belongs to
    "www.sco.com". It is possible, though unlikely, that someone may
    be trying to intercept your communication with this web site.

    If you suspect the certificate shown does not belong to "sco.com",
    please cancel the connection and notify the site administrator.

    SHA1 Fingerprint FC:40:22:46:B3:84:28:27:69:46:A3:28:ED:97:77:70:AC :EB:B2:58
    MD5 Fingerprint 66:94:3F:3D:94:64:95:D4:45:73:43:24:A2:18:EC:4E

    on a side note, in case you're looking to invest , you might try talking to this poor guy:

    Investor Relations Contact:
    Randy Richards
    (801)932-5424

  20. Re:SCO Has Products? by corbettw · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, atheists tend to lump them together, forgetting that Mormons place as much emphasis on Jesus as Muslims do. In fact, people should check out some of the online resources, like religioustolerance.org, and read some of the essays comparing Islam with the LDS church. Some startling similarities, especially WRT their founders and how they started their religions (both were aproached by beings of light that only they met, both claimed knowledge from a hidden source [Joseph Smith had tablets only he could read, Mohammed took dictation when he supposedly couldn't write], and both were started with the premise that the Christian had messed up Jesus' teachings and they were prophets with a mission to get the Church back on track). So if you meet someone who insists Mormons are Christian, tell them, in that case, Muslims are Christian.

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  21. Re:SCO Has Products? by Darby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...(both were aproached by beings of light that only they met, both claimed knowledge from a hidden source [Joseph Smith had tablets only he could read, Mohammed took dictation when he supposedly couldn't write],...

    Basically the same thing applies to every other religion ever invented, including yours, if you have one.
    Of course, the fundamentalist wack jobs of whatever particular religion see that in all other religions, but ignore it regarding their own.
    This is one of the major problems with fundamentalism. The people who buy into it are incapable of dealing with reality. They can see the problems with everybody else's beliefs, but even though the problems with their own are essentially identical to those they see in others, they freak out and lose all rational capability when you point this out to them.

    So Mormons are at least as good of Christians as any fundamentalist wacko branch. The Mormons I know are better people (and better Christians) than any fundamentalist I've ever met. All these gay hating, forcing prayer in the schools, institute religious law in America, psychopaths have no freaking clue what the hell the person they claim to follow even said, or they would realise when he said not to do all that crazy hatred bullshit that he was talking specifically to them and the rest of their ilk.

  22. Re:Actually by corbettw · · Score: 1, Interesting

    the rules of priesthood will always encourage this type of behavior

    The rules of priesthood have existed for thousands of years. The pedophilia only existed a few decades. Tell me again how the one encourages the other?

    Oh, and ignore the fact that you're more likely to be abused by a camp councilor or Protestant minister than you are a Catholic priest.

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