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Sony To Ship Enhanced PSX Console/DVR Combo

bluethundr writes "The Register has posted a story indicating that Sony will ship the new PSX models on July 1 (Japan first, Europe to follow, then - eventually released to us Yanks?) following the company's move to suspend production of the original model of PlayStation 2/digital video recorder hybrid, earlier this year. Apparently: 'The new models, the DESR-5100 and DESR-7100, offer the same storage capacity - 160GB and 250GB, respectively - as their predecessors, the DESR-5000 and DESR- 7000. What's changed is the introduction of a better graphical user interface and the ability to add DVD-style menus to content copied from the unit's hard drive to a DVD-R, DVD-RW or DVD+RW disc.' Sony also appears to have added a range of extra video recording modes to maximise the amount of programming that can be stored on the PSX's hard drive."

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  1. Bit too expensive for what you get... by garcia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just don't see it as being something that I would spend that much money on. $676 for the 160GB and $868 for the 200GB model... That seems like an awful lot of money for a device that doesn't look "sexy", doesn't do anything extraordinary over any other device of its kind, and is basically just a piece of bundled hardware.

    In a recent story (about the PSX's possible demise) someone noted that it was pretty expensive for something you could do for about $350 unbundled.

    I guess the reason that they are releasing it to Japan and then England before us Yanks is because most cable providers already offer PVRs, we have TiVO, we have rolled out our own based on various software packages (both OSS and proprietary), or we just don't care.

    I'll pass for now... Maybe if it was bundled with the PS3 it would be more attractive.

    1. Re:Bit too expensive for what you get... by Mz6 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "Maybe if it was bundled with the PS3 it would be more attractive."

      I just don't understand why they don't focus more (read: release) the PS3 instead of this intermediate step with the PSX. I just don't see something so expensive taking off when the same things can be had for pennies on the dollar. No.. a PS3.. A think there would be a lot of people able to fork over some dough for that beast.

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    2. Re:Bit too expensive for what you get... by generic-man · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The PSX includes a TV recorder, a large hard drive, and a DVD burner to save recorded TV shows. Comparable products that don't require a full PC sell for over $800 -- and they don't play PS2 games, either.

      You can put together the hardware for $350, but you assume (rightly so, around here) that everyone has a free powerful computer to put it all in, and nobody minds a cheap uninsulated case sitting next to their TV to encode everything.

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    3. Re:Bit too expensive for what you get... by garcia · · Score: 2, Interesting

      TV card is cheap. A large HD is cheap. A DVD burner is cheap. A mini-ITX MB w/CPU and case is relatively inexpensive.

      I guarantee it would be under the price that they give. It would also allow the user more power as they could do whatever they wanted with it (tailor it to their own needs) and they would be able to have a lot more options on how to expand the capabilities.

    4. Re:Bit too expensive for what you get... by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well currently they are still winning w/their PS2 console. They can hold out for a while longer in comfort before MS may/may not beat them to the punch on the next generation.

      I'd prefer that they be working solely towards releasing the PS3 but that's just wishful thinking.

      Sure, enough people would be willing for fork over the dough for the PS3 but they seem to be betting on the possiblity that people will fork over the dough for this one...

    5. Re:Bit too expensive for what you get... by generic-man · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The 160 GB model of the PSX costs $676 with a pretty unfavorable dollar-to-yen ratio right now. An off-the-shelf x86 PC isn't designed to encode video, so you'll need a pretty powerful CPU to keep up.

      Price it out, including $x for your time. In the end, you'll see the same split as with TiVo: people willing to pay $600 for a solution that works out of the box, and people willing to spend $800 to build their own box and shout down everyone else.

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    6. Re:Bit too expensive for what you get... by Mz6 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Well.. I wish them success for their new console.. but really. who doesn't have a PS2 already? Any gamer that would be interested in a PSX, more than likely already owns a PS2. What's the point of 2 machines then, besides the obvious of course?

      You bring up a good point in the fact that this same type of machine can be built for less, and be customized and tailored to fit their needs. I just fail to see it marketed towards normal teenagers, who when the PS2 first came out had trouble paying the $300 price tag. Now they want $900? I just don't see it happening and especially with all of the other devices that most already have in the US.

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    7. Re:Bit too expensive for what you get... by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      bit expensive is an understatement...
      I can get a PS2 for $119.00 from different places on the net.
      I can get a replayTV for $109.00 from an assortment of places on the net also.

      So I am guessing that I need to add the Ethernet adapter ($39.00) and the hard drive ($79.00) and then I pretty much have the same thing. except that the replayTV has more features, upgradeable, I can openly communicate with it from my PC so I can master DVD's of my favorite shows easily and it communicates with other units in the house.

      Why do I want to spend an extra $300.00 - $400.00 for some convergence box? if you wanted a brain-dead stand-alone setup change the replaytv to a DVD player/writer with hard drive and i am STILL much cheaper.

      I really hope they are adding more features to it as it is unimpressive as it is.

      BTW, I have yet to find any consumer DVD writing device that can make highly compatable DVD's my authoring a DVD on a PC plays in almost anything, including older dvd players while the sony player/writer, the panasonic and other brands have playback issues in other players from old to even brand new.

      I am betting that DVD playback issues will also rear it's ugly head in this device.

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    8. Re:Bit too expensive for what you get... by jasonbw · · Score: 4, Informative

      I just checked out bestbuy.com...a settop dvd recorder is about $300 on average (non-harddrive). add a $200 tivo and a $150 ps2 and you've hit $650.

      it's not a terrible price for a three-in-one device, considering that they want about $600 for a combo dvdr/pvr with a 80gig drive.

    9. Re:Bit too expensive for what you get... by aka-ed · · Score: 3, Insightful
      why they don't focus more (read: release) the PS3...

      65nm, 300mm wafer.

      "Cell is going to be like IBM's Deep Blue integrated on one chip," said Ken Kutaragi, chief executive officer of SCEI, referring to IBM's chess-playing supercomputer, which is based on a massively parallel architecture.

      "One Cell processor will have, say, 1 teraflops performance. One thousand Cells make 1 petaflops performance. Then 1,000 of these 1,000 Cells can combine.

      "We are planning to create a processor architecture that makes this network connection possible. We will focus on processors. The day when processors can truly link together will surely come. This project is such a huge challenge," said Kutaragi.

      Seems pretty damned focussed to me. The Cell chip looks to be well on schedule..

      But I know what you mean; I'd like to have one next week, too. How much do you think a prototype Cell chip would cost?

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    10. Re:Bit too expensive for what you get... by Spyffe · · Score: 4, Interesting
      First, this is not an intermediate version. According to Sony's Web site (translated from Japanese):
      The PSX is not a successor to the PlayStation2, it is a HDD/DVD recorder designed with the capabilities of the PlayStation2 in mind.
      SONY Japan planned the PlayStation2 as a platform for digital media convergence; this is an outgrowth of that. The PlayStation2 was never supposed to be just a video game console, it was a technology for media processing.

      Second, this is an eminently sellable product for its target market: people who want not just a functional but an elegant PVR. The marketing campaign in Japan features yoko, tate, pi! - loosely translated as "across, down, beep!" - scroll across to the "videos" icon, down through your videos until you find the one you want, then beep! -- it plays.

      The interface is elegant, as is the design, and the box does what it should do with no fuss. Many consumers would pay for that, particularly in Japan where people are willing to pay more for good products.

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  2. Selling points by cbrocious · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the major selling points of the original PS2 was that DVD players were still fairly expensive, but gaining popularity. For the price of a nice DVD player, you could get that and much more. I don't see that happening with the PSX, but only time will tell.

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    1. Re:Selling points by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It does it all - plays dvds, pvr's, plays PS2 games - all with one box sitting under your $10,000 plasma display.

      Believe it or not, this is not a lot of money to some people. Those same people bought Pioneer's LaserActive system back in the day.

      It's a niche product, hence the price tag (no loss leaders here). I don't see soccer mom going into wal-mart and buying one of these for her kids instead of a regular PS2. But I see Richie Rich buying one because it's better than a PS2.

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    2. Re:Selling points by cbrocious · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem with that is that the current "marketing" seems to be targeting normal users... or that's the way the articles are making it seem.

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    3. Re:Selling points by radish · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you have a $10,000 plasma you already have a much nicer DVD player than the one in this box...

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  3. Can you mod these? by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Huh? Can you?

    If not I don't want one. What's the point of a DVD-R if I can't play the PS2 games I use it to copy, that is legitimately backup for educational purposes!

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    1. Re:Can you mod these? by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      " What's the point of a DVD-R if I can't play the PS2 games I use it to copy, that is legitimately backup for educational purposes!"

      To save TV shows you recorded?

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  4. Don't be confused... by th1ckasabr1ck · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't be confused by the name PSX. Many people took to calling the original Playstation the PSX, but that was not an official name for the console. This new PS2 supermachine is officially known as the PSX. It's a little confusing, but what can you do?

  5. Could be better budget computer then the Xbox. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Will the future PSX still run Linux?

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  7. Ouch by sinner0423 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Almost $900 for a PVR / Playstation 2? That's a bit pricey for a gaming console which i'm sure will be (already is?) obsolete.

    Acronym time : DIY PVR IMO. FU PS2/PVR DRM.

  8. You could... by Mz6 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Blame the media for it. When Playstation first came out it was code named Playstation X. But when finally released, they dropped the X to just have the Playstation name. However, the media decided to keep the X moniker and made it PSX, PSX2, etc... Soo.. Blame the Media... oh.. and Canada j/k.

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  9. X-Box by hal2814 · · Score: 3, Funny

    The reason that it is coming to us yanks last is that Sony is still in a pretty tight race with X-Box here in the states. That is not true in Japan and I'm pretty sure that is also not true in Europe. I can the the fancy system coming out here, but I can't see it replacing the original system since Sony needs to have a (recently reduced) $150 model to remain competitive.

    1. Re:X-Box by ElForesto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sony is taking heat from MS? In what kind of bizzaro world is that happening? Based on my own observations, the PS2 is MUCH more popular than the XBox due to its plethora of PS2 and PS1 titles. I know a lot more people that own a PS2 over an XBox. Heck, I know more people that own Gamecubes than own an XBox. That says something.

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  10. Japan by jgman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I saw the original model in Akihabara two months ago. They seemed to be all the rage in Japan. However, I had difficulty convincing myself that it would have mass appeal in America with such a large price tag. I would think most people who want a PS2 probably own one already. For that matter, early adopters likely have a DVR/Tivo already anyways. I guess I'd like to know exactly who they are marketing this too.

    Cool device, but no market.

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  11. Sony (Uhmmmm...alias DRM) by burdicda · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Don't fool yourselves....Sony is the biggest DRM
    whore on the planet...anyone wanna debate this
    go buy an md player...
    Look at Sony carefully...
    Know any other electronic retail mfr's that also
    own record and movie subsidiarys ????

    These people are hook, line, and sinker after
    your file sharing, movie recording asses...!!!

  12. Re:One can hope by garcia · · Score: 3, Informative

    Perhaps you are a bit confused (or didn't read the article). The PSX is just a PVR + PS2. There is nothing under the hood that makes this a different CONSOLE. It just contains a DVD recorder, HD, and TV tuner.

  13. Re:Spendy, but innovative... by dancingmad · · Score: 5, Funny

    Definitely more than I would pay... but remember that space is more of a commodity in Japan than here in the states.

    I don't know where these memes get started but yes, Japanese houses are small, but they're not so cramped for space that an unbundled PS2 and DVD player or whatever would have them coming out the windows.

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  14. tight race? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    PS2 has sold like 71 million units, Gamecube 16M and Xbox in 3rd with 15M.

    It's far from a tight race.

    It is a bit of a closer race in software sold, but these units will not lead to additional software sales.

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  16. Re:Obligatory Quote.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I for one welcome our new Sony PVR Console overlords!

    ...a swing and a miss.

  17. Will it last longer than a PS2? by shepd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Being that the laser in Sony's PS2 is so weak I've seen consoles less than 1 year old worn out, is there any chance this device will have a laser that justifies the pricetag?

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  18. Almost... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I want a box that I can load all CDs, DVDs, PS1 discs, PS2 discs, and PS3 discs. They could make a 200, and a 300 disc model. It should have .5 - 1 TB. It should automatically rip a CD, convert it to mpg to format of my choice name all tracks and auto organise the CD collection. It should give full PVR functions. It should cache frequently played DVDs to reduce wear and tear on the disc. It should have built-in RAID 5 with hotswap able drives that are as easy to change as VHS tapes. It should cost less than a used car.

    1. Re:Almost... by swb · · Score: 3, Funny

      It should cost less than a used car.

      And it will, if the used car is a Mercedes S600 with under 50 miles on it.

  19. Screenshot of updated UI by doctor_no · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's the updated screenshot of the updated UI in the PSX. Seems to have a transparent menus over the TV show you're watching, and these screens show the customizable backgrounds for the menus.

    Screenshot

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    PSX Official Site(in Japanese)

  20. Re:One can hope by Fancia · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's already a hard drive for the regular PS2. Several games can use it, and Final Fantasy XII requires it.

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  21. cost and alternatives by DynamiteNeon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If I didn't already own a ps2, I might be willing to pay $600 for the combo presented here. Sure, I could build a pvr myself, but FROM SCRATCH, getting one that would be able to handle pvr duties well and burn dvds would cost at least $600 plus my time.

    What I really want to know is if I would be able to access the files across a network. Ps2 has the ethernet adapter you can buy, so it seems like a reasonable idea, but I imagine there's tons of reasons why sony might not want to add that capability.

    Since it's relevant and I haven't had time to hit google yet to research it myself, I'm just curious if there's any other products out right now that are a pvr, can burn dvds, and are accessible across the network. Heck, any two of those are cool in my opinion if they're decently priced.

  22. Re:Don't try.... by aka-ed · · Score: 2, Informative
    The Register is a UK publication. In the UK it is certainly a word.

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  23. Not so fast! by MarcQuadra · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...in Soviet Russia, the Sony overlords welcome YOU!

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