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Mozilla 1.7 Released
kashif-khan writes "Right at the verge of Firefox 0.9 and Thunderbird 0.7 being released comes the official release of Mozilla 1.7. Updates include smaller size, increased speed and faster start up times. Be sure to read the release notes for the complete list of features and download it from mozilla.org."
Simple, fire anyone in your organization that develops open source software as a hobby.
This is quite logical.
They prefer working on their projects instead of the work you give them, and quite often will work on their projects on work time even though they are not meant to. By firing them, you give them more time to work on their open source project which produces a better product. You then use their open source project for free. As it has improved, you do not need to buy commercial software and can save money.
So you have saved in two ways. You fire someone who is not working hard enough and replace them with someone more productive. And if enough people fire their open source developers you can ditch your commercial software and get their products for free!
Oh how I love this free software business model!
The biggest reason to switch for me is that the web development tools for IE suck compared to mozilla/firefox. DOM inspector, JS debugger, etc. all are awesome tools compared to IE.
The fact that IE lets websites install software on your computer doesn't exactly make my day either. I really hate that.
Firefox is a browser, Thunderbird is an email client. The suite is still good if you need a web page editor or if you like everything in one package. Personally, I use IE only when I have to. I use Firefox the rest of the time, I occasionally startup the suite for page editing (usually I just use vim), and I always use Thunderbird for mail.
Does this release actually render slashdot correctly? :(
Not a troll, but theres nothing more sad than to read about people forced into using IE because of banking sites, yet i have to refresh 5 times just to keep the article text from bleeding into the left column.
I see no updates on Bugzilla for any of the trees -- for the life of pete, that "intermittent" copy paste bug is awful. Every now and then copy/paste funtionality will just disappear. You can't copy anything.
I can stand misrendered pages, I can stand missing URL's, I can stand a memory leak that might force me to restart the system every now and then -- but yee gods, if you mysteriously take my copy/paste away from me at inopportune moments.. madness! URL's hand typed! Monkeys flying out you know what comes next!
I love the 'zillas to death and I am typing this on Firefox now. I'm not saying the bug forces me to abandon it.. it's just.. so... painful! Help me obi-developers, you're my only hope!
(can I get a witness? holla!)
For starters, you seem to be confused about which project is which, that's understandable. Let's break it down.
Mozilla - The big, all encompassing suite, including a browser, e-mail client, chat, web editor, etc.
Firebird - Standalone browser based on the same code as Mozilla's browswer, but with speed and small memory footprint in mind.
Thunderbird - Standalone e-mail client based on Mozilla code.
As for why - any number of reasons. Tabbed browsing and pop up blocking are commonly cited. It's almost as quick as IE to start and often loads actual pages faster. It also isn't the huge vector for viruses and spyware that IE tends to be thanks to ActiveX. To me, that alone is worth it.
So there really isn't any one big single feature that makes it better, but there are lots of smaller ones that I feel make it a much better browser overall.
Firefox is prettier by default. Now pardon me, I have to grab my Hello Kitty lunchbox and skip out the door. Weeeeh!
worst sig ever. . .
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The interesting thing is that DOM inspector and Venkman (the JS debugger in Moz) are not only excellent tools for web development *in Mozilla* but also for developing for IE, Opera, Safari and so-forth. Many common CSS mixups and accidents can easily be found by simply using the DOM inspector to check what the calculated CSS is for any given element in a rendered document -- setting aside browser quirks this is a useful to have as a web designer period, even if you are a diehard IE holdout. The same goes for the JS debugger and even Mozilla's Javascript Console -- no vague-looking error windows stealing focus away from your main browser window or any of that nonsense, either. IE simply cannot compare, and these tools only get better and better.
-- Maciek
I strongly reccomend it to all as an alternative to GNU/Open Source.
Fairly neat: it seems that Mozilla has setup an official torrent tracker for this release.
Speaking of Slashdot/gecko bugs, any of you Macintosh users users have to turn off "willing to moderate" because it locks up whenever you have mod-points?
"Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
Woah woah woah...
You're right about the first part, but on the second part-- Mozilla is a separate application suite that contains both a Browser and a Mail Client, but they are not Firefox/Thunderbird, they are completely different (mostly). So the updates to Firefox/Thunderbird have little to do with this.
Details, details...
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What's ironic is my mom doesn't like IE nither now. She was looking for a crack for one of her games she plays (Just her little flash/java games). She comes upto me and goes "Why does IE keep downloading all this spyware".
... use this browser
:)
Im like here
I installed Mozilla Firefox with a nice pretty theme and now she won't go back. She likes tabbed browsing and the point it just works.
Kinda nifty how OSS software is getting into the hands of "average joe".
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Personally, I go with Mozilla, but then again, I like having all that extra functionality in one place.
GPL made simple: What was my stuff is now our stuff. If you improve our stuff, please keep it our stuff.
Why should I use this? Internet Explorer is already at version 6. I've used both, but I must say that IE is really 4.3 better.
This sig is only here so people stop skipping the last lines of my posts.
"Sunbird" just doesn't cut it.
See my other comments expressing my frustration at the lack of a decent calendar solution from the Mozilla group.
People don't understand how seriously upper management types take their calendar apps and how much the Outlook calendar holds them to Outlook, even without Exchange!
Also comes with a built in game called wack-a-window, and a neat "private information at a distance" capability.
As far as I know, they don't add that much more to it to make it crash more or be a hell of a lot slower. Mainly just some advertising and branding.
I don't have any Slashdot Cool Points, so I'll take some of yours and try to help you out. ;-)
In a nutshell, Mozilla started off as the open-sourced version of Netscape 6, which turned into the Mozilla suite, and included the browser, and an e-mail client and some other things and even more things. Mozilla was big, slow, and clunky by many people's views, but it had a great rendering engine called "Gecko," and some other cool stuff. So some people decided to take the rendering engine and other cool stuff, and make a browser that was smaller, lighter, faster, and was really good at one task -- web browsing. They called it Pheonix, then Firebird, then Firefox (legal issues...). At the same time (well, a little later, after people saw how cool it was) some people decided to make an e-mail client on the same idea -- they called it Thunderbird (No legal issues).
So, Firefox and Thunderbird are very similar on the inside, but with obvious differences. Mozilla is pretty different, as it's a direct derivative (albeit with a full rewrite) of the Netscape application. The Mozilla suite is also significantly slower (but hopefully better with this release) than Firefox and Thunderbird, and has a bigger memory footprint.
Read this for a more thourough explanation of Firefox's goals, and also check out the Wikipedia article.
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Perhaps because there is still interest in Mozilla? I continue to use it on my home computer because I personally like the integration. Everywhere else I use Firefox.
I just upgrade to 1.7 from 1.5 and I have to say I'm very impressed with the difference. This version is much more responsive and very quick in comparsion to 1.5. I'm not sure I could tell the difference between Mozilla 1.7 and firefox 1.9 on this computer if I was blinded, and I never thought I'd be saying that
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It's not as pretty, but it's ten times more functional. Just load up "about:config" from the Location bar in Firefox. This will give you access to every tunable feature that exists in the program, including and far exceeding those which are exposed in Mozilla's preferences.
Good lord. Mods, have you missed his joke or forgotten history?
The parent post is making a reference to the history of Mozilla and Netscape. Netscape got bought by AOL, who fired a bunch of Netscape developers, and then the Moz got an injection of development effort as former Netscape developers helped out on Moz.
It's not such a bad joke. I think it's funny and insightful -- he's pointing out the irony of what AOL did and is doing (now that AOL is using Moz code to help with Netscape).
If you don't know the history and thus didn't get the joke, please don't assume that someone is "off topic" or "inflammatory." He may just be too subtle for you and you could learn something from him.
OK. Is it bigger or smaller? Inquiring minds need to know!
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Most web designers design their web pages with IE in mind.
Most web designers couldn't write standards-compliant HTML if their life depended on it, and rely on WYSIWYG editors like Dreamweaver & Frontpage. That's why web designers should stick to design, and leave implementation up to web developers.
Perhaps it'll distract enough people so I can finish rsyncing to the slackware server...
(So far, no such luck... *sigh*)
What is it with Slashdot? They can' stop dupe stories, they can't spell in the age of spell checkers, why did they suddenly decide to start reporting software releases in a (way too) timely manner?
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You'll also have to remove the spaces slashcode puts in there.
Making the moon less necessary since 1998.
The current Mozilla suite probably contains little to none of the original Netscape Communicator 5.0 source code which Netscape released. The original Mozilla (Netscape 5.0) was trashbinned and they started over (after wasting quite a bit of time on 5.0).
Netscape 6 (horrible) was based off a *near* 1.0 Mozilla codebase IIRC. Netscape 6+ are derivatives of Mozilla not the other way around.
Yes, there were lots of little changes.