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Mozilla 1.7 Released
kashif-khan writes "Right at the verge of Firefox 0.9 and Thunderbird 0.7 being released comes the official release of Mozilla 1.7. Updates include smaller size, increased speed and faster start up times. Be sure to read the release notes for the complete list of features and download it from mozilla.org."
Simple, fire anyone in your organization that develops open source software as a hobby.
This is quite logical.
They prefer working on their projects instead of the work you give them, and quite often will work on their projects on work time even though they are not meant to. By firing them, you give them more time to work on their open source project which produces a better product. You then use their open source project for free. As it has improved, you do not need to buy commercial software and can save money.
So you have saved in two ways. You fire someone who is not working hard enough and replace them with someone more productive. And if enough people fire their open source developers you can ditch your commercial software and get their products for free!
Oh how I love this free software business model!
Thunderbird isn't a browser, it's an email client. And a danm good one at that. I regularly switch l users to Thunderbird from Outlook, and they never want to go back.
When life gives you crap, Make Crapade.
Sluggy Freelance.
The biggest reason to switch for me is that the web development tools for IE suck compared to mozilla/firefox. DOM inspector, JS debugger, etc. all are awesome tools compared to IE.
The fact that IE lets websites install software on your computer doesn't exactly make my day either. I really hate that.
Firefox is a browser, Thunderbird is an email client. The suite is still good if you need a web page editor or if you like everything in one package. Personally, I use IE only when I have to. I use Firefox the rest of the time, I occasionally startup the suite for page editing (usually I just use vim), and I always use Thunderbird for mail.
Firefox == Web Browser
Thunderbird == Email Client
Mozilla == Web Browser and Email Client in one Application.
And the biggest reason to switch? Well, there are several main ones - but saftey from all the spyware, malware, etc that exploits IE is the biggest one for me. That and pop-up blocking and Tabbed browsing.
The revolution will not be televised. It won't be on a friggin blog either
Firefox is the browser. Thunderbird is the e-mail client. Mozilla is the suite containing these two products, a new version of which has been released because the two components above have been updated. Hope this helps!
Does this release actually render slashdot correctly? :(
Not a troll, but theres nothing more sad than to read about people forced into using IE because of banking sites, yet i have to refresh 5 times just to keep the article text from bleeding into the left column.
I see no updates on Bugzilla for any of the trees -- for the life of pete, that "intermittent" copy paste bug is awful. Every now and then copy/paste funtionality will just disappear. You can't copy anything.
I can stand misrendered pages, I can stand missing URL's, I can stand a memory leak that might force me to restart the system every now and then -- but yee gods, if you mysteriously take my copy/paste away from me at inopportune moments.. madness! URL's hand typed! Monkeys flying out you know what comes next!
I love the 'zillas to death and I am typing this on Firefox now. I'm not saying the bug forces me to abandon it.. it's just.. so... painful! Help me obi-developers, you're my only hope!
(can I get a witness? holla!)
Why are they still developing Mozilla instead of just developing Firefox, Thunderbird, and the core? Firefox, Thunderbird are still pet projects. That is why their development is so slow. Firefox has been in development for a lot of time.
For starters, you seem to be confused about which project is which, that's understandable. Let's break it down.
Mozilla - The big, all encompassing suite, including a browser, e-mail client, chat, web editor, etc.
Firebird - Standalone browser based on the same code as Mozilla's browswer, but with speed and small memory footprint in mind.
Thunderbird - Standalone e-mail client based on Mozilla code.
As for why - any number of reasons. Tabbed browsing and pop up blocking are commonly cited. It's almost as quick as IE to start and often loads actual pages faster. It also isn't the huge vector for viruses and spyware that IE tends to be thanks to ActiveX. To me, that alone is worth it.
So there really isn't any one big single feature that makes it better, but there are lots of smaller ones that I feel make it a much better browser overall.
Look at the advanced option of Firefox (.9). There is an option (selected on by default) that allows things to be installed from your browser. .xpi files used for the Firefox extensions can also be used to install other less desired software.
This is a real issue with Mozilla and FireFox (based on Mozilla obviously), thus the parent has a legitimate concern as opposed to being a troll.
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Firefox is prettier by default. Now pardon me, I have to grab my Hello Kitty lunchbox and skip out the door. Weeeeh!
worst sig ever. . .
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The interesting thing is that DOM inspector and Venkman (the JS debugger in Moz) are not only excellent tools for web development *in Mozilla* but also for developing for IE, Opera, Safari and so-forth. Many common CSS mixups and accidents can easily be found by simply using the DOM inspector to check what the calculated CSS is for any given element in a rendered document -- setting aside browser quirks this is a useful to have as a web designer period, even if you are a diehard IE holdout. The same goes for the JS debugger and even Mozilla's Javascript Console -- no vague-looking error windows stealing focus away from your main browser window or any of that nonsense, either. IE simply cannot compare, and these tools only get better and better.
-- Maciek
Has the acroread bug been fixed, or is that just a Gentoo thing? Anyone know?
I'm currently stuck in that I'm still finding FireFox too buggy for everday use (broken -remote, crashing with some plugins, etc.), however I often find myself using it because GTK2 and XFT in the default Linux build is outweighing the ugliness of GTK1 and the non-XFT fonts in the latest Mozilla build. Will there ever be an official build of Mozilla 1.7+ with GTK2 and XFT? I've searched Google, and there were a few people building it regularly, but they seem to have discontinued doing so.
Interested in open source engine management for your Subaru?
I strongly reccomend it to all as an alternative to GNU/Open Source.
Fairly neat: it seems that Mozilla has setup an official torrent tracker for this release.
Speaking of Slashdot/gecko bugs, any of you Macintosh users users have to turn off "willing to moderate" because it locks up whenever you have mod-points?
"Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
Can someone please explain to me the direct relationship between Firefox, Thunderbird and Mozilla? Does Mozilla have anything that the stand-alone apps don't have? Vice versa?
(I know I'm losing "Slashdot cool points" by asking this, but damn it all, I want to know.)
Woah woah woah...
You're right about the first part, but on the second part-- Mozilla is a separate application suite that contains both a Browser and a Mail Client, but they are not Firefox/Thunderbird, they are completely different (mostly). So the updates to Firefox/Thunderbird have little to do with this.
Details, details...
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Does anyone know if there was any change from RC-3 to the final version?
What's ironic is my mom doesn't like IE nither now. She was looking for a crack for one of her games she plays (Just her little flash/java games). She comes upto me and goes "Why does IE keep downloading all this spyware".
... use this browser
:)
Im like here
I installed Mozilla Firefox with a nice pretty theme and now she won't go back. She likes tabbed browsing and the point it just works.
Kinda nifty how OSS software is getting into the hands of "average joe".
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I have had similar problems. Most web designers design their web pages with IE in mind. My online banking doesn't render correctly in Mozilla 1.6 or Firefox. It is a shame. I have contacted this bank, which will remain unnamed, and they said, "Our online banking system is best supported by Internet Explorer."
As far as Slashdot goes, I do sometimes have problems rendering the page, especially the user login.
These small problems mean nothing in the big picture. I love Mozilla.
The parent is not a troll.
7% faster at startup, is 8% faster to open a window, has 9% faster page loading, and is 5% smaller
Why should I use this? Internet Explorer is already at version 6. I've used both, but I must say that IE is really 4.3 better.
This sig is only here so people stop skipping the last lines of my posts.
"Sunbird" just doesn't cut it.
See my other comments expressing my frustration at the lack of a decent calendar solution from the Mozilla group.
People don't understand how seriously upper management types take their calendar apps and how much the Outlook calendar holds them to Outlook, even without Exchange!
Also comes with a built in game called wack-a-window, and a neat "private information at a distance" capability.
As far as I know, they don't add that much more to it to make it crash more or be a hell of a lot slower. Mainly just some advertising and branding.
I seem to remember this *might* have been fixed, but I could swear it was causing me problems the other day. That's just an insane bug which even after all these years I can't understand any rationalization for. If I want to VIEW SOURCE, I want to view the source of what's being rendered, NOT the source of another POST action.
creation science book
Have to agree with you on XFT's bad karma. I use Mozilla and (once upon a time) Firefox 0.8 with the font.FreeType2.enable option, which yields muchmuchmuch nicer-looking fonts. As of Firefox 0.9, however, the direct-FreeType support seems to have been dropped in favor of XFT alone :-(
I've been trying to compile Firefox from source with --enable-freetype and --disable-xft, but ye gods is it a pain to sort through the build problems that come up....
iSKUNK!
I have the last two more problems with mozilla/firefox before I can call it a perfect browser.
1. when click a link that opens a new window on a slow site that takes forever to load, mozilla thinks it is a popup becoz it is still loading, and it blocks the new window!!!
2. when I enter a banking SSL site that pops up a window for login, the security icon overwrites the popup blocking icon, there is no way for me to unblock the site unless I do it manually.
Any known solutions to fix these?
Mozilla Mail - I haven't forgotten you. An excellent client that integrates nicely with the browser.
Kudos to the Mozilla team. Don't worry, marketshare will follow.
Does anyone know if it has e-mail palm sync support or just address book palm sync support?
On the rare occasions that I'm in Windows, I like to use a Blackbox for Windows skin without a taskbar. In those occasions, tabbed browsing is a godsend, as it is in Linux in Blackbox (but tabbed browsing is pretty much a standard feature on Linux).
You can mod your friends, you can mod your nose, but you can't mod your friend's nose.
I also can't see the one grand feature that would make me completly switch from IE. I know allot of people will bring up a ton of good reasons, but whats the BIGGEST reason to switch? no sneaky spyware and annoying popups as you browse those sites with... um... merry ladies...
Stupidity is an equal opportunity striker.
Fellow slashdotter Bill Dog
Good lord. Mods, have you missed his joke or forgotten history?
The parent post is making a reference to the history of Mozilla and Netscape. Netscape got bought by AOL, who fired a bunch of Netscape developers, and then the Moz got an injection of development effort as former Netscape developers helped out on Moz.
It's not such a bad joke. I think it's funny and insightful -- he's pointing out the irony of what AOL did and is doing (now that AOL is using Moz code to help with Netscape).
If you don't know the history and thus didn't get the joke, please don't assume that someone is "off topic" or "inflammatory." He may just be too subtle for you and you could learn something from him.
Took all the precautions like removing profile, uninstall moz 1.6 etc - but couldn't stop 1.7 crashing.
So I am back to 1.6 - though I don't find any features in 1.7 that warrant it to be "must have" - I am quiet happy with 1.6.
No Sig for you.!
This is the combination of a bug in Gecko and Slashdot's horrible, invalid HTML output.
To quote a previous post of mine:
OK. Is it bigger or smaller? Inquiring minds need to know!
Slashdot's first reaction to VMware
"A new option to prevent sites from using JavaScript to block the browser's context menu."
Hallelujah! Maybe eventually idiots will stop using this trick once they realise it isn't stopping anything. It would make my life so much easier.
Karma: It's all a bunch of tree-huggin' hippy crap!
Perhaps it'll distract enough people so I can finish rsyncing to the slackware server...
(So far, no such luck... *sigh*)
What is it with Slashdot? They can' stop dupe stories, they can't spell in the age of spell checkers, why did they suddenly decide to start reporting software releases in a (way too) timely manner?
There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
"javascript:document.getElementsByTagName(%22body% 22)[0].style.display='none';document.getElementsBy TagName(%22body%22)[0].style.display='block';void( 0);"
You'll also have to remove the spaces slashcode puts in there.
Making the moon less necessary since 1998.
A lot of people on bit torrent. It took maybe 8 seconds to download.
Under 1.7, for the first time ever slashdot.org _just appeared_. No waiting for everything to decide how big it is and where it wants to be. Nothing. Site just appeared. I tried a batch of them and almost everything rendered instantly with a second or two from return to in my face. Very cool. Since this is the OS X build, I'm dieing to see how fast the linux build is.
Muhahaha! Take that creaky IE!
the clock on the wall says 4 til 7
"Try disconnecting your router and connecting your computer straight to your uplink." on his forum.
If that works, here is the explanation as to why: "Some routers have been implicated in consistently corrupting data inside TCP packets, either when running in game mode or simply due to lousy firmware coding. They'll replace any instance of the external IP to the internal one for incoming data, and vice-versa for outgoing."
Hey all,
Been using 1.6 for a long time on Windows and I must say 1.7 is quite a bit faster in rendering pages. Have dual booted into SUSE 9.1 and installed 1.7 yet, but I'm hoping for the best. Kudos to the Mozilla team, and kudos again!
-m
http://www.invisik.com
I wanted an answer to a simple question, that I figured should be a FAQ. However, the FAQ link from the main page goes to the FAQs for...Mozilla 1.5!
Does anyone EVER update this documentation? It's been Mozilla's biggest (and aside from the naming problems, only) problem.
"People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
Microsoft actually has a script debugger it's not bad.
:( -- although, I'd settle for a JavaScript console.
"Microsoft Script Debugger" on http://msdn.microsoft.com/scripting
There's IEDocMon
http://www.cheztabor.com/IEDocMon/
Which seems to be a prettier DOM Inspector.
I was pretty sure Safari had a dom inspection tool in it, but my mac's at home and I haven't looked for that feature.
Now, what I kinda want is a dom inspector for Camino
What is it with Slashdot users? They can't spell in the age of spell checkers.
Pot, kettle...
Can they please make the icon of the fox look towards the user? I thought it was a fire blob engulfing the world.
[rant off]
MFirefox under Windows 98 is far faster than Mozilla.
Tested with 64Mb ram.
Does anyone know how many Windows 95/98/Me installs are connected to the net?
FireFox is a good marriage for those lazy asses.
Now if they can do the same to the email client then drop Mozilla.
Can someone point this out to me - perhaps I'm not looking hard enough. In Mozilla you can enable URL autocomplete so that while you type the url in the location bar it completes it as you go along. In Firefox it appears to work like IE - you type but it drops down a list of similar URLs and from there you have to hit TAB to choose the right one. Is there a way to make Firefox autocomplete like Mozilla does?
Maybe they should nick the "Closed Windows" history from Opera.
Belief is the currency of delusion.
I have a *lot* of windows open, usually 4 browsers with 20 tabs each. When 1 window crashes, ALL of them crash. (I copied an url from Mozilla into OpenOffice and had them both stall :(
Everytime there's a story about browsers someone posts something like this. I've always wondered; what the hell are you doing with all these pages open?
Honest question.
Treehugger? Treehugger... Treehugger!
Not good enough.
How many times have you watched users click "OK" to install Comet Cursor or Bonzai Buddy or Weather Bug or whatever else.
Malicious XPIs already exist. So do "stupid" users. If Firefox continues to gain marketshare, the combination will be just as annoying as the IE mess is now.
Isn't it ridiculously obvious that you can't trust the user to make an informed decision about button to click by now?
Sorry, I haven't a clue. Not even sure what a MUD is; I'm not much of a gamer (I like pool, pinball and poker- the analog versions only- and occasionally old-school video games). I am currently using a fedora core1 box, basic workstation, and it has over 30 games, not sure what many actually are. I have not used windows in several months, and I seriously am considering moving my father (an incredibly technophobic writer,editor,publisher -writes several thousand words daily) to Linux. I have gotten him to use Firefox, OpenOffice, ABIword. I only need to switch him from Eudora, then he's getting Linux- I don't think he will even notice the difference; he doesn't even know what an OS is.
The light at the end of the tunnel is a train.
> but whats the BIGGEST reason to switch?
Why don't you find out for yourself.
There are some decisions in life that are important, and weighty, and have significant consequences...for those decisions, you should make sure you find out verything you know first before making them.
Choice of browser is not one of those decisions. It's a 5 meg download, then it's a case of clicking the globe with a red fox on it instead of the e with the halo. It's really not that hard, and you're not commited. You can always click the E again next time if it didn't work out clicking the fox.
Since you say you already use it, I'm a bit confused as to why you're asking. If you can't think of a reason, after having used it then just don't switch, keep uisng IE if it suits you ok, there's no shame in it.
Advanced users are users too!
GNUWin. For all your Win32 OSS needs.
if the answer isn't violence, neither is your silence / freedom of expression doesn't make it alright
I made 2 girls change to firefox just by showing them the tabbed browsing and by telling them "... it's much better, yo!". Checked on them a few weeks later and they were still using it. That's all they wanted... a hassle-free, simple to use, understandable, non-deceiving internet program.
Just my humble opinion.
Is a browser that filters /. dupes.....
PENAROL: Seras eterno como el tiempo y floreceras en cada primavera.
Why do the Mozilla team have a love of using Xprint as their printing engine?
OK, in theory it's a nice idea but all the implementations I've come across are really dire.
The Xprt servers are generally single threaded with performance which sucks rocks through straws, they often crash and in the end produce output which is hardly readable.
Trying to use Xprt in a distributed, multi-user environment is, to put it mildly, challenging. Because of the single threaded nature of the X Consortium's implementation of the Xprt server it will only allow one client to connect and print at any one time, so whenever anyone prints they act as a denial of service attack for everyone else. Not only this, but even with the 3rd party package installed which makes the Solaris Xprt server actually work the output to printers is not exactly good, with letters running into each other and in random colours.
Why can't Mozilla use one of the other, well debugged and functional print engines rather than the half-hearted and poorly implemented Xprint which has never worked properly since it was first implemented in X11R6?
Sometimes it feels like the Mozilla developers are so focused on the idea that the only users of their product will be single-user, single desktop machines. Oh, yes, I forgot, that's what most of them are developing on.
Agrajag: "Oh no, not again!"
mozilla tabs have one very stupid problem. if i click a new tab with middle mouse, and then start to fill up some form on the page i still am (another is loading in another tab) focus is suddenly moved to another form on another tab (when the other page has finished loading) and all the text i am writing goes there, i don't like at all.
class he-man extends man!
Indeed, the developer tools for Mozilla rock. The best dev toolbar I've seen has to be the Web Developer Extension by Chris Spederick. It's AMAZING. I've been using the PNHToolbar for ages, but this one blows it away. The "View Style Information" targeting, where you then hover the mouse over any element and it displays the CSS heirarcy in the statusbar, makes it invaluable just for that feature alone.
(Props to glwtta for plugging it in the Firebird v0.9 story.)It appears that mozilla.org also supports opacity
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