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Less is More: Thunderbird 0.7 Review
comforteagle writes "In part two of our look at Mozilla's less is more approach to thunderbird and firebird, Gareth Russell has finished the examination with a look at the newly released Thunderbird 0.7. Part one dealt with firefox and was discussed here on slashdot as well."
I had to go back to 0.6 because of several crippling bugs. 0.7 stopped checking for mail in many of my IMAP folders so I went a whole day thinking I had no mail. :( It also has an annoying habit of not displaying the message body in random messages forcing you to go out to SquirrelMail to view them. 0.6 works perfectly for me though!
I thought Ford Motor Co. was making them change the name to "ThunderFox."
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I love the new version - the interface seems 'clearner almost'. Also I like the extensions option in the menu that will bring up a page full of extensions that you can download. I did have one crash with it though. I had 2 windows open, and mulitple tabs in each window. All of a sudden it just puked on me .... oh well - it still kicks ass.
Thunderbirds are go?
I've been using both Firefox (since 0.7) and Thunderbird (since 0.4) for a while now, and I've recently upgraded. I seem to have hit a bit of a bug with having too many FireFox extensions installed, but beyond that slight problem, FireFox and Thunderbird seem to be going from strength to strength these days.
Anyone who is still on OE or IE should seriously consider a switch, because they include things which you should really have by default in your software. Firefox has tabbed browsing and integrated popup blocking, and Thunderbird has built in encryption, supports PGP extensions, and has integrated "smart" spam filtering.
What more could you ask?
Oh *that* would be a dream! ;)
I was trying to get a setup going with T-bird under Windows checking multiple IMAP servers at once and it was having a very hard time doing it. I could never get it work well at all. Does anyone know if the newer versions of T-bird have fixed that problem?
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by Gareth Russell
Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 is the new lightweight email and newsgroup client from the Mozilla Foundation; it's a new take on the email client and has been built almost from the ground up, with the proven Gecko rendering engine. As with Mozilla Firefox its main aim is to try and satisfy the average user's requirements, with a minimum amount of fuss. Email clients over the years have tended to suffer from "feature creep" and "bloat", Thunderbird removes the clutter such as Intstant Messaging integration which you may never use. Thunderbird has all of the basic features you'd expect to find in any email client, with IMAP and Pop3 support, email filters and the ability to manage multiple accounts. Thunderbird also contains many other non-standard features such as built in junk mail filtering, S/MIME, digital signing, message encryption, spell checking and a flexible user interface. On top of this, Thunderbird is possibly the most extendible browser available with its excellent extension system, allowing you to create an email client that suits you.
Thunderbird 0.7's changes, include: a smaller download size for Windows, speed improvements in Windows, Linux and Mac OS X, new themes and extensions managers, as well as a talkback program for the unlikely event that Thunderbird crashes. A number of bugs have been squashed for the release, helping to iron out any rough edges which existed in the previous editions. The most important change in 0.7 is the overhaul of the extension system with new extensions controls allowing for easier management of extensions and which, now make it possible to update your extensions to the latest versions without having to go and manually download them.
The Interface
As with Firefox, Mozilla Thunderbird features a stripped down interface, which is more thought out than previous editions of Mozilla Messenger. The default graphical interface features a three-pane setup much like Microsoft Outlook Express or the original Mozilla Messenger. On top of this; however, Thunderbird provides three other default settings including an interesting three pane vertical arrangement, which manages to use more of the display area to display your emails than the standard setting. Most importantly though, Thunderbird does not try to restrain you by its interface and its easy to customise the layout by adding new buttons to the toolbars or to add new window panes for content to get it exactly how you want it.
Junk Mail
One of the most attractive features of Thunderbird is the advanced Junk Mail filters included my default in Mozilla Thunderbird. The Junk Mail is adaptive by using a system of Bayesian filtering, this learns what is junk mail and what is not by you indicating to Thunderbird whether it is or is not junk. Junk can be defined by simply checking a junk mail icon next to the subject of the email. When a similar email appears in your inbox, Thunderbird will indicate that it believes the message is junk with the option to correct it if it is wrong. It's surprising how short a period of time it takes, before Thunderbird catches all of your junk mail with no mistakes. It only took a couple of days, before my inbox was junk mail free, with only a couple of false positives. Thunderbird can also be told to move the junk immediately to a temporary folder or to delete it straight off. This really sets it apart from programs such as Outlook Express which don't have built in junk mail controls, as you'll no longer to be forced to wade through a load of junk mail just to read you emails. No more time wasted moving all those offensive pornography emails which you receive to your work email address, no more time wasted deleting those university diploma emails and in particular no more being caught out by those emails with the viruses attached. Thunderbird really is revolutionary as an email client, when it comes to dealing with junk mail.
Security
Thunderbird includes S/MINE email support, which is a
ThunderCougarFalconBird...
The futuristic (no pun intended) car inlaid with the beaks of 1000 eagles!
I downloaded it twice on two different days for the Mac. It mounts the dmg file fine, but won't launch. In the console for OSX, you see complaints about the executable being corrupt or truncated, then just dies out. Happens on two seperate machines too. Nightly builds don't do it either :\
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ping -f 255.255.255.255 # if only
Show Old Extensions 0.1.3 makes old extensions visible and usable in Firefox 0.9. I've only tried two old extensions using this, but they've both worked.
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this is all good and i certainly use firefox at home, but while there will be many posts praising tabbed browsing, extensions, etc, sadly, i think we'll be preaching to the choir more than anything else. most p eople who even know firefox exists probably have tried it and like it, the other 95% will still be on ie. maybe i'm pessimistic, but i just don't see a massive migration happening just through word of mouth.
Is that the stupid address autocollect feature would lowercase everything before checking if the cotact exists.
I'm tired of having multiple:
Fred.Mertz@Lucy.Com
Fred.Mertz@lucy.com
fred.mertz@lucy.com
etc...
Your hybrid is not saving the environment. Its purpose is to make you feel good about buying something.
I am quite sure it supports all of those. Here is a page that talks about printing css2 and css1. Here is a fun little png demo.
is that the icon on Mac OS X looks like an envelope with a bad toupe. If that is supposed to be a bird, please make it look like a bird and not a very bad comb over.
Hi, I'm Fred Mertz, please stop emailing me. You've already killed lucy.com, and charliebrown.com is mad, there isnt anyone there to pull the football out from infront of the webserver. Thank you.
Fred.mertz@lucy.com
I imagine Ricky is getting more fed up with it than you are. Someone has some 'splaining to do.
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...about the official Mozilla project's continued split focus between Firefox/Thunderbird and the full Seamonkey suite, which is now apparently going to continue even after the standalones reach 1.0.
Mozilla's crucial mistake early on was deciding it needed to be a platform. If this had just meant developing a cross-platform gui and tools, or just developing a whole application suite, it might not have been a problem. But they decided to do both. It cost them, and it continues to cost them.
IBM's Eclipse project is a good example of how to do a platform. Start small with one app: in Eclipse's case, an IDE. Then build the rest of the stuff around the skeleton: IBM's new Workplace package is basically built from Eclipse plugins.
But continuing to devote resources to Seamonkey is just a bad idea. Not only is it a distraction from making the small, focused apps better; but keeping around Mozilla as an Emacs-style do-everything suite does IMHO damage to the brand name. I for one have nothing but bad memories of Netscape, because of the ungodly bloat of Communicator. Any project that continues to officially perpetuate that mistake loses respect in my mind, and I would guess in many others' as well.
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Oh and, before anyone fusses, I've grabbed source and looked into making the change myself, but frankly I couldn't even figure out how to even build the darn thing.
The build is not exactly staightforward, IMO.
Your hybrid is not saving the environment. Its purpose is to make you feel good about buying something.
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Seriously, it's written all over the Firefox and Thunderbird pages that these are prerelease versions (in case the 0.* version numbers didn't clue you in). You shouldn't expect them to keep your data clean on upgrades.
Part of the development process is settling in on a format you want to use to store data in, and this format changes regularly in the approach to a 1.0 release. It would be far too much effort for them to support formats that they don't consider to be final. After 1.0 hits they will have to maintain compatiblity.
Long story short, if you are looking for something to handle your data well, use an already stable app. Then, if you want Mozilla apps, switch to them once they release 1.0.
It's your fault you lost data, not theirs.
-- Fighting mediocrity one bad post at a time.
NVU is a stand-alone composer, based on Mozilla.
Thunderbird 1 was always my favorite. Official Site
"I went on a diet, swore off drinking and heavy eating. And in fourteen days, I had lost exactly two weeks. Joe E. Lewis
Now if only YahooPOPs could update their project to be compatible with Yahoo Mail I would be using Thunderbird again.
I just recently rebuilt my g/f's computer, removing IE, MSN, etc, and installing OO.o, Firefox, and the like. (Thank you the open cd ) She liked how fast her computer was now that the spyware was gone, but she could NOT stand how Firefox rendered the fonts on the Yahoo Mail page "incorrectly" (dear God! What will I do now!). Thankfully I ran across this nifty little project on source forge called Yahoo Pops which acts as a SMTP/POP3 server on localhost and bridges the gap between your favoriate email client and the Yahoo Webmail service. That evening I VNC'd into her computer, installed YahooPOPs and Thunderbird 0.6 and hooked her up with a cute theme with a rotating penguin in the top right (She's all about some Tux racer). I showed her how to use it and she loved it. No more ads, no more waiting for the web pages to load, spell checking, the whole 9!
But just when I thought I had sold her on the wonderfullness that is Open Source (I'm on my way to getting her to suse) Yahoo decided they are going to try to compete with G-Mail and offer 100MB to their free customers, as well as a few other minor "improvements". To make a long story short the upgrade broke YahooPOPs and thus Thunderbird. We were both very disapointed.
Now she found a way to open IE by typing "iexplore" on the run line and is using Yahoo Mail again. Its going to be hard to get her to try open source again, but for some reason she cant keep off Tux Racer. (PS: Go neverball!).
Any advice on ways to keep her using Thunderbird? Its really a great product and if my company wasnt tied religiously to MS Outbreak I would be putting it on every desktop in the place.
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1. Integration with GnuPG and/or PGP. Yes I know of engimail, I think it's essential enough it should be built-in.
:)
.mbox, maildirs, Outlook PST, Outlook Express directories, Eudora, MacOS Mail.app, etc...
2. Integration with Jabber. IM + Email would be cool. I like how Windows Messenger does this, but with Thunderbird it would actually be secure
3. Better LDAP integration. Current LDAP implementation is kludgy, I wish they would make it smoother.
4. Fix the calendar app. It's nice, but could be a whole lot nicer. The original Netscape calendar app wasn't bad, I much prefer it over Outlook.
5. Import/Export filters. There are third party filters already, it would be nice if they were built in. Import
6. How about a text mode interface for uberhackers? It could be really lightweight, just ctrl- to go back and forth, ctrl-r to reply, etc...
That's it. It shouldn't add too much bloat, the basic Jabber protocol is small and GnuPG integration should be cake. Any other ideas?
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Hello, my name is Toccoa and I am a tab-aholoic. I greatly prefer the way groups of tabs are done in Mozilla; or at least based upon my current understanding of 0.9.
E.g. with a group of tabs on the tab bar
Mozilla: click on tab, all tabs open & start loading
Firefox: you get dropdown; for maximum hassle, the choice I want(Open in tabs) is always at bottom. Nor have I found way to set "add tabs" versus "replace tabs" preference.
If Mozilla did not exist, I would use Firefox. But for now, tabs mean I prefer Mozilla.
I've got vomity butterflies from laughing so hard.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
You're clearly better than us, what with your preachy signature and your goldplated nickname.
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...I switched everyone at my work over to TBird from Outlook2k. Everyone likes it much better than Outlook. They all especially like the speed of mail download (something was going on with Outlook where it would sometimes take up to an hour to download mail from the POP server - especially on a Monday where the mail had stacked up all weekend). Very annoying when you're trying to get your day going. TBird grabs it all in a minute or two.
One thing everyone especially likes is the multiple mail account handling. Having separate folders for each account is very cool and makes organizing messages very intuitive. The only thing we're missing is Outlooks ability to insert multiple 'signatures'. Anyone know if this is currently possible in TBird? Having blocks of pre-typed text ready to go at the click of your mouse is a real time-saver. One kludge we came up with is to keep a message in the Drafts folder that contains the needed text but that's a rather clumsy solution.
We are a small company so this changeover is pretty insignificant in the overall scheme of things but... it's a start. With the warm reception TBird received from my users at work (they really were getting sick of Outlook), I figure they'll go install it on their home computers. Their wives and kids will see it and begin to use it. They'll tell their friends, etc., etc... Word of mouth is a GoodThing(TM).
Personally, I've been using TBird since it was first released and have never had any problems with it. Maybe I'm just lucky but it's been rock-solid for me. I currently use TBird on WinNT4 at work and on my laptop, which runs Mandrake 9.2. My wife, (who is not in the least computer literate), has no trouble at all with TBird on her Win98 box. This open source app is ready for mass use!
"Michael, I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing - and it was everything that I thought it could be."
The site http://xxxtoolbar.com/ tries to install a malicious program as XPI.
Is this a proof of acceptance or is it an alarm signal?
Every time there's a Mozilla story on Slashdot, several people make this comment and they all get modded up to +5. SeaMonkey (the suite) receives a very small amount of the official "Mozilla Foundation" support. It's essentially in maintenance mode, with only relatively minor work being done to it. Now *Gecko*, and the Mozilla-as-platform work, are still actively maintained, but that's not the same as working on SeaMonkey. SeaMonkey happens to benefit from work on Gecko, since both it, Firefox and Thunderbird run on the same engine, but a very small percentage of work going on now is beneficial only to SeaMonkey.
Compare the new features in Mozilla 1.7 to the new features in Firefox 0.9/Thunderbird 0.7. I think you'll find very few that are limited exclusively to SeaMonkey, and vastly more that are found in the new apps but not the suite. The suite is minimally supported because some major coporations and organizations have rolled it out and contribute back code, money, etc. to keep it going, but it's definitely not even close to the main development focus as the new apps are.
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E.g. with a group of tabs on the tab bar Mozilla: click on tab, all tabs open & start loading Firefox: you get dropdown; for maximum hassle, the choice I want(Open in tabs) is always at bottom. Nor have I found way to set "add tabs" versus "replace tabs" preference.
To get a group of bookmarked tabs to open in addition to your already opened tabs in Firefox, do the following:
1) Open a new tab, type about:config, hit enter.
2) Find the entry called browser.tabs.loadFolderAndReplace, and double click it.
3) Change the value from true to false.
Tada! Now Firefox will open your bookmarked groups in new tabs, not replace your existing ones.
Additionally, you can simply middle-click on the bookmark folder name, and it will open all of the tabs contained in it. This way you don't have to go down to the "Open in Tabs" item at the bottom of the list.
Enjoy!
When it comes to standards, IE tends to be a bit more relaxed than other browsers (read: Mozilla and FireFox). You can do things like add properties to <tr> tags (something that standardized HTML doesn't support, I *think*). While in most cases this is pretty innocuous, it has the potential to allow developers to create code that is only useable on IE browsers.
For a little example, try opening www.microsoft.com in both IE and FireFox. Notice the cool rollever menus on the left that are displayed "correctly" in IE but not in FireFox? It's not a browser shortcoming, it's just that IE is able to display code that doesn't necessarily conform to a standard.
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It's supposed to be much faster.
Find out how to work around that here: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/linuxu rls.html
This is a pretty major UI bug in T-bird, IMO.
* And remember, it's spelled N-e-t-s-c-a-p-e, but it's pronounced "Mozilla."
Just to point out for people needing a calendar, there is the Sunbird project which aims to build a standalone PIM application. While it is fairly good at the moment, it still needs a lot of work. Plus it needs a few more developers. If you have the time go help out. If they ever get round to integrating Thunderbird and Sunbird, we'll have one kickass Outlook killing application!! (don't mention Evolution - it really isn't cross-platform as such).
Here's a very good link for both this and mailto: links in Firefox. I agree that this is a MAJOR design flaw in Firefox and Thunderbird.
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I found that 0.7 is much more buggy than 0.5 ... at least on win32, the new mail notification in the taskbar is broken (no icon), enigmail does not work anymore, cross imap server moving of email did stop working ...
:(
At least for me a huge step backwards from 0.5
Does anyone know if you can get addresses in your LDAP server onto the junkmail whitelist?
I mean the part in the junkmail configuration screen where you can say "don't mark mail from people in my address book as junk" and pick either your personal address book or your collected addresses (but not both, wtf?). But there doesn't seem to be any way to specify an LDAP server that you have configured.
Did the deed and upgraded OSX thunderbird to 0.7, only to see all my settings vanish
yes really, 5 news server with dozens of groups, all gone, thankfully I don't use it for email (sticking to mail.app)
FFS moving to 0.6 did not do this
did they actually test this....
Am I the only person who thinks that Mozilla's bang-bang-bang 3 releases in a row of their most notable software seems kind of like a premature orgasm? Are they blowing their load too quickly? Should they have released more gradually and carefully? With the bugs I enountered with Thunderbird, I certainly think so. Firefox seems okay despite the rush... except for the fact that whenever I apply a new skin in Mac OS X - the scroll bar is missing. That's a bizarre bug that you'd think would've been caught.
People always critized microsoft that they cheated by having the browser in memory but this is a handy feature that kde does as well (well, gives you the option of how many konquerer's you want resident in memory).
I currently use ff,tb but I would use the suite if it had a file browser mode. And I'd love to be able to keep it in memory or even better components of it at least. Cause once you stray from kde/gnome, I find the choices if file browser a little lacking.
Now, I know there are tons of options out there, but I guess I prefer a similar browser to windows explorer, and I've tried the lot of em. From xfe, xfwm, endeavour, and just about every single one that looked remotely like a browser similar to windows explorer. It would be great if mozilla had this.
And off topic but I wish there was a way in linux to have things stay in memory. I know mozilla used to have this feature and it was removed to never return, but I think X or the wm should control this.
Say I'd like to have my file browser, file find,a text editor and maybe xchat always in memory. You should be able to specify applications that never leave the swap.