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70 Megapixel Webcam

Alien54 writes "Small swiss company RoundShot has released an interesting new item, the 360 internet Livecam. The Livecam is a digital 360 camera, capable of 70 megapixels. The Swiss company claims the Roundshot Livecam uses a high-resolution digicam designed for pro photography, as well as slit-scan technology, which apparently allows for 'seamless panoramas' of up to 360 degrees. The cam is also capable of a high zoom factor, zooming up to 20x. Apparently, the cam has 'far-reaching" applications, most importantly in tourism, weather stations, corporate websites, airports, sports clubs, construction sites and private residences.'"

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  1. You can now see... by gnu-sucks · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...every hair on that breast!

  2. Panoramas by Alien54 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They seem to be big into panoramas. Check out their gallery

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    1. Re:Panoramas by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Funny

      They were most definitely wise enough not to webpost the full 70 megapixel images... think of the Slashdotting that woulda been. :)

    2. Re:Panoramas by gnalre · · Score: 4, Interesting

      you mean like these

      http://www.panoramas.dk/

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  3. The price and the data rate by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just in case you're wondering if you can afford this camera: According to a PDF called "Press release 11-6-2004 (42 kB)" in the article (no direct links permitted), the price is 9600 Swiss francs (CHF). This converts to 7,642.71 USD.

    More confusing: "Presentation to the press 11-6-2004 (1,059 kB)" indicates that shooting a full cylinder takes 20 to 120 seconds. However, the data output rate is only 1 MBps, and it can shoot only 5 high-resolution (4.5 MB) images per day or 80 low-resolution (100 KB) images per day. Who can make sense out of these conflicting rates?

  4. Bah, 360 degrees is nothing... by PseudoThink · · Score: 5, Funny
    as well as slit-scan technology, which apparently allows for 'seamless panoramas' of up to 360 degrees

    Using the same exact camera, I bet I could make a panaroma up to 361 degrees, 720 degrees, hell, unlimited degrees!
  5. Line scan by Black+Cardinal · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is this really 70 megapixels? The press release is short on details, but I'm guessing their "slit scan" technology is simply a traditional line-scan camera mounting on a revolving shaft. In this case the camera would use a CCD that is a single line of pixels, instead of an array like conventional cameras. Line-scan cameras have been used in industry when high resolution is important (the chief tradeoff is speed, since scanning a full image requires moving the camera or the object).

  6. "the cam has 'far-reaching" applications" by st0rmshad0w · · Score: 4, Funny

    I swear I thought I heard someone scream "Panaramic Porn!"

  7. Pricing by gregfortune · · Score: 5, Informative

    It goes for 9,600 CHF which is about $7,715 US.
    Looks like I won't be getting one right away :)

  8. Re:Wow... by FrYGuY101 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I fear that to be the next "Imagine a Beowulf cluster of THESE" meme...

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  9. So thats what thats for. by Moocowsia · · Score: 5, Funny

    Remember that 200 Mbps DSL article there was last week? Thats what its for.

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  10. Deluxe setup includes by Alien54 · · Score: 4, Funny
    A webserver, and even a tech to setup the whole operation.(Note: 1 dollar = 1.25 swiss francs, roughly speaking)

    I can see the whole site starting to grind to a crawl even as I type this. Sopmeplace in europe, an MIS manager's beeper is going off, on a friday night no less.

    What could possible go wrong on a friday night?

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    1. Re:Deluxe setup includes by Dolda2000 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Even more importantly though (from parent's link):

      Apache Webserver, PHP, Control software Roundshot Digital, JAVA 2 Runtime, Textpad, various service programs
      Open source Livecam software under GNU licence
      That's not something you see every day.
  11. Would be nice if more livecams could upgrade by DRWHOISME · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Livecams are so low res that they are no good except for determining weather conditions.

    I like this website alot. High resolution. Can't find anywhere else on web like it. Check out topless,thong chicks. With a 8000x2320 panorama.
    best beach photo webcam on the planet.

    Like checking the weather here.
    hermosa beach livecam

    yahoo livecam directory

  12. The mods will hate this one by segfault7375 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...as well as slit-scan technology...

    I believe you're referring to pornography :)

  13. Re:Bah, 70 megapixels is nothing... by dbirchall · · Score: 4, Informative
    Why settle for 70 when you can have 100 megapixels? Actually, wait, sorry... that one's now obsolete and no longer in use, since they now have one that does 340 megapixels.

  14. Re:Thats all? by cgenman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, it could go up to 360^2, though you would be hard pressed to keep the camera out of that picture. You could also venture out into t, leading to 360 T shots. You could also mount it on a movable platform of some sort, and get X, Y, and Z values, though for comparatively limited values of X Y and Z. And for that matter the spectrum values could be modulated more than it already is, leading to a potential Lambda range, as well as temperature, audio, and alpha beta gamma radiation detection.

    Thus, the panoramic camera could be 360^2TXYZLTmpVArBrGr.

    It probably wouldn't have fit in a press release, though.

  15. So isn't the megapixels rating a farse? by MadWicKdWire · · Score: 5, Informative

    So the camera spins on it's internal axis to capture a single image that is freakin huge. Ok... that is great... actually kinda cool.

    But it's NOT really a 70 megapixel camera it can't take all those 70 megapixels at one time.

    That would be like producing a digital camera that would shift it's lens really really fast in the 4 diagonal directions to piece together an image that was 4 times the original size.

    I think they are going for marketing points on this one. What is honestly stoping a camera company from putting out a camera that actually shoots at 5MP but they double the image size and interpolate the subpixels and say it's a 10MP camera?

    When I grab stuffs off the internet at 72dpi and I need to enlarge it, I use the same technique. I just think the whole MP thing is becoming just like the MHZ craze that started when AMD tossed the Athlon on the market.

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    1. Re:So isn't the megapixels rating a farse? by Cesare+Ferrari · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, technically speaking most high end SLRs can't actually take the whole scene in one go at fast shutter speeds.

      Shutters on cameras are made of two curtains - the first one is normally closed, the second one normally open. When you depress the shutter release, the first curtain opens to start the exposure, and the second curtain closes to end the exposure. At fast shutter speeds (1/125 on my manual pentax, 1/200 on my Canon D30) the second curtain starts to close before the first curtain has finished opening. In effect then, the film or sensor is exposed to a slit of light between the opening and closing curtains.

      So, it's maybe worth remembering that when you say 'you can expose the whole scene in one go' with an array sensor, it isn't always as simple as that!

      You're point is very valid about interpolation. Some cameras are advertised with 'effective' resolutions. Saying that, even a real 3mp camera is interpolating 9mp of colours from 3mp of colour information (since each cell is only receiving one colour pixel).

  16. Why aren't these on the Mars rovers? by Viewsonic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yeah, I know, it would take days for one image to come down, but man.. Compared to the seemingly crappy 0.000005 Megapixel cams they put on those things now.. Could you imagine how awesome those images would be? It would be worth sending a probe there with one of these mounted on it for nothing more than taking a 70MP panaramic shot. Seriously.

  17. Stitching programs do the same thing by Darth+Cider · · Score: 5, Informative

    Panoguide lists dozens of programs that will stitch still photos together to create a panorama. Instead of spending $7k on RoundShot, one could buy a really good digital camera and tripod, then take the shots manually. A 5 megapixel camera rotated ten degrees per shot would produce 180 megapixels of raw stills. And yes, you could do the same with a videocam--just export the footage as still files using any number of video programs, then stitch them together. The scanning method of RoundShot is slow--it might be able to produce a 360 degree perspective from the point of view of a moving observer, but the observer wouldn't travel far.

  18. Must need coffee before reading slashdot by chendo · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Swiss company claims the Roundshot Livecam uses a high-resolution digicam designed for porn photography, as well as cilt-scan technology, which apparently allows for 'seamless pornography' containing up to 360 females.

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  19. Re:Wow... by EvanED · · Score: 3, Funny

    I bet you could trade a Beowulf cluster for a Gmail account...

  20. Technical Explanation by CyberBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just to let everyone know, what this little camera is, is a scanner on its side. Instead of moving a linear CCD sensor back and forth, this is just a linear sensor mounted around a servo. Really basic stuff here.

    As far as the lens goes, It may be possible that they are not even using one, by using the "pin-hole" technique, but I am not sure this would produce good optics.

    If we used the same description of megapixels for scanners, most scanners would be capable of a few tens of megapixels.

    -Bill

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    1. Re:Technical Explanation by Animats · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yeah. It's a 2700 pixel line scanner on a mechanical scanner, and a rather slow one. It takes 20 seconds to do a scan. Sports photography? No way.

      I had something like this on my desk twenty years ago. It was the first commercial high-resolution scanning camera, made by Datacopy. Several thousand pixel line scanner, mirror driven by a stepping motor, a really good lens, and a big copy stand. B/W, no greyscale.

  21. How do you link the stepper shaft to the camera? by bundaegi · · Score: 4, Interesting
    So far, this is what I have:
    • Hugin is getting really good as a frontend for panotools. It'll be really great when alpha layers become available too!
    • Getting the camera to take remote piccies is possible as well (although getting access to all the manual parameters maybe a problem -- no luck there with my canon a40)
    • A stepper motor and its RS-232 interface is not that expensive or hard to find anymore (50 quid at Milford instruments).
    • Or... you can build your own out of a floppy drive connected to the parallel port. Maybe a better solution, the milford stuff is getting pretty hot after a while and requires 9-15V
    The question remains: How do you attact the stepper shaft to the camera? (I mean other than duct tape or lego)
    It would be nice to have a 90degree bent bracket as well to take piccies vertically.

    Has anybody built a tripod like this? What did you guys use?

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  22. webcam? cam? by Andorion · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why call it a webcam and not a camera - the only thing that makes a webcam a webcam is the crappy resolution, to accomodate the bad bandwidth that goes along with the "web" part.

    ~Berj

  23. yahoo! by earthstar · · Score: 3, Funny

    oh!yeah!
    now the yahoo chat rooms can provide high resolute "boobies"!!!
    far reaching?

  24. all thumbs by DaveKAO · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow and I thought it was easy to slip up and take a close up of a finger or thumb with a regular camera!

  25. Prosumer cams + hardware device are better value by mmerlin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Buy one of the latest prosumer camera's like the Coolpix 8700
    then attach a Panoramic Optic from 0-360.com
    and you have and 8-Megapixel panoramic solution for about $1500.

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  26. Well.... Ya. by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's a single number that peopel can, and so marketers push, as the "good factor" of something. People don't want to actually research products. That is difficult, time consuming, and often leads one to the conclusions that there IS no best, just different tradeoffs. Most people would like things to be as simple as a number they can look at to determine how good something is.

    For cameras, it's megapixels. Like everything, there are foundations in truth. A large problem with CCD devices, at least initally, was resolution. 35mm film is equivalant to at least 4000x4000 pixles (16 megapixels) if done well. CCd devices were struggling at less than a million. Worse, CCDs are luma sensitive only (black and white), so you have to do a colour mask on them, reducing the effective resolution you get out of them.

    So for a while, pizels were a good measure of the quality you'd get. You could hook great optics to a system, didn't matter, the picture would still suck because the resolution was so slow.

    Well, this is all not the case with CCDs any more. It's not at all expensive to build multi-megapixel CCDs, and some companies (Canon) are even using different technology to better capture light. Now it's all about the optics. Any professional photographer or cinematographer will tell you that the lense is critical, for analogue or digital, and you often spend more on it than the camera.

    Problem it, it's not easy to attach a number to lenses to determine how good they are. Different ones are good at different things and there isn't an objective rating anyhow. Also, good optics re expensive. You just aren't going to build a stellar lense for $50. Pixel count is cheap, and thus easy to sell. Also good optics are pretty much mutually exclusive with small size, which is in demand.

    As you noted, very similar to mhz. Used to be, mhz was a good emasure of PC performance. For one, Intel was the only real game in town, but also there wasn't as much variance in architectures. Plus memory was fast enough to fully support the processor's needs (no multipliers), there were no GPUs, DOS was single user/single task, and so on. More or less, other then waiting for things to load from disk, your bottleneck was the CPU. So if you doubled the mhz, you really did double performance.

    Well of course that's just not the case today. However, it's already stuck as the measure. People know mhz, and it's simple. So to many, it is the definitive performance guide.

    Unfortunately, not a lot you can do about it. Pepople will take the wasy way out and fail to excersize due dilligence and marketers WILL take advantage of this.

  27. It amazes me how expensive these things are by btempleton · · Score: 5, Informative

    This isn't the first such camera. They call this one a bargain because the PanoScan was around $27,000 for its first model.

    Other people have made cameras like this for far less at home. You can make a basic one for $50 in parts. All you need is a single line (or 3 colour line) scanner element as found in most scanners, a camera to put it in with a big lens, and a stepper motor to spin it instead of rolling it along the scanner bed.

    You can even spin it by hand if you have something measuring how you turn it to expose each scanline right.

    Check out this guy who built one on the cheap.

    My favourite application was the guy who took pictures of the moon using a single line scanner. He put the scanner into the eyepiece of a fixed telescope. Then, he had the earth rotate, thus passing the scanner over the surface of the moon to record an image.

    The reason he could only do the moon is the scanner elements from hand scanners are not that light sensative. They expect a bright light to light up the object.

    Of course, 70 megapixels is nothing. I have been doing giant stitched panoramas much bigger than that for a long time though I don't put them that size on the web.

    However the first image of burning man on this page is 210 megapixels. You need to see it printed out, which you can if you come to Burning Man.

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