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Nokia Invested In Mozilla?

Pine UK writes "The Register, is reporting that Nokia has invested in the Mozilla Foundation. This news should come as a shock to Opera, who in recent times have had a very large market share in the area of portable device browsers. Opera has also been the browser choice for Nokia, who ship it with all their Symbian 'smartphones.' Nokia have not yet confirmed nor denied their investment in Mozilla."

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  1. Which is better.... by JoeShmoe950 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I always found Opera fast, and much lighter than Mozilla. But, with the advent of Firefox, I'd have to say theres not much reason to stick with Opera. I just don't see very many advantages (plus, Firefox is open source).

  2. Interesting by Pranjal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why invest and not just take the source and fork Mozilla for use on their cellphones? I thought this was perfectly legit in the open-source world.

    Unless of course the are donatin to the Mozilla foundation for helping develop such an excellent browswer package.

    1. Re:Interesting by vondo · · Score: 3, Interesting
      They have three choices:
      1) Hire new developers to learn the mozilla code and make the changes, then release them to the public (since it is GPL)
      2) Hire existing mozilla developers to work for Nokia to make the changes
      3) Contract with the existing developers to get what they want done.

      3) is the perfectly logical choice. 1) involves a lot of start-up time. 1) and 2) involve a commitment by Nokia to keep those people on the payroll or severance if they don't work out. In 3) Nokia just drops the contract if it doesn't get the results it wants.

  3. Why should it be a shock? by arvindn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think it would have been a shock or anything. Anyone who thinks they are immune to competition will quickly perish. Obviously opera is a great product for cell phones, but the mozilla guys have been doing consistent work reducing their memory footprint and increasing speed, and with some more focused work they could be as nearly as good as opera. A cash infusion could help them do just that. And Gecko's rendering is at least as good as Opera's.

    1. Re:Why should it be a shock? by Darth_Burrito · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In addition, it sounds like one of Opera's primary advantages over Mozilla in this market is compactness and efficiency. If the technology industry has taught us anything, it's that hardware is constantly improving. Sure Mozilla doesn't sound like they could compete now, but with hardware improvements and some encouragement in the direction of embedded devices, I can't imagine why they couldn't be a feasible browser in that market within a short period. And completely free competes very well with not so free.

  4. Nokia's day has gone... by lewko · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I loved my first Nokia when a phone was a phone. Now that my phone needs to be a PDA/browser etc. (AKA Smartphone) I'm not interested in any of their current products.

    It seems I'm not alone.

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    1. Re:Nokia's day has gone... by Ilgaz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nokia sees where future is and concentrated to that point. YOU aren't interested in their current products as I , as a Siemens C55 user which has java (with 320kb of ram!), gprs and midi etc not interested in new Siemens models too. In fact, I plan to use it until 3G stuff becomes standard.

      What I try to mean is, 99% of population is not like us nor reads slashdot etc. For some, taking stupid lo res pictures and sending to their friends for a real stupid expensive rate (mms) is fun for them.

      I really wonder if Nokia didn't go for Symbian and selected Win CE etc crap, what kind of a nightmare we mobile users would live.

      So thank you Nokia :) and all Symbian supporters/coders

  5. Hello? Microsoft, wake up call!! by Lispy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hmmm...I really wonder how Microsoft will respond to the recent movement in the browser market. Of course they are still market leaders on the desktop but have you ever used their stripped down version of IE on a PocketPC? It's just a joke!

    I wonder where Microsoft will turn in the near future since all work on IE seems to be on hold up until Longhorn and their smartphones never really took off. If I were in their shoes I would start acting. I always considered Microsoft as a serious competitor but lately they haven't made any real progress and seem to fall behind in a lot of markets. Not that they will be gone anytime soon but I wonder if they really are asleep or if they are up to something big nobody has thought of yet. This silence is suspicious...

  6. Re:Why not in firefox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Because firefox doesn't support small-screen rendering.

    And Nokia products have....

    Small screens!

  7. Torn by levell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've always liked Nokia phones but I wasn't going to get another one because of their stance (and their campaigning) on software patents but if they are investing in Mozilla - I'm really torn.

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    1. Re:Torn by Halo1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also, Opera is a very active supporter of the fight against software patents in Europe and Mozilla isn't (probably not because they are in favour of software patents, but more likely since it's a US foundation instead of a European company like Opera that stands to lose a lot of money from the legalisation of software patents in Europe).

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  8. Not the first time by DrXym · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nokia had a TV console some while ago based on Mozilla. There are probably engineers in their group who are familiar with it and know what it is capable of.

  9. All in the Details. by mikedaisey · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Without knowing the size of the investment and circumstances, this could be a non-story. I believe that the Mozilla Foundation is a 501(c)3 now, and as such corporations can donate to them for tax relief--that may be all that's happening here, with a sprinkling of business sense that it's important to keep browser alternatives alive.

  10. Re:inaccuracies in blurb.. by HeadDown · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Another interesting angle is that Minimo will offer a XUL engine on-board, which means you could develop applications using XUL instead of the Symbian SDK.

  11. Nokia's strategy by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nokia is simply keeping its options open for its phones. They didn't want to back just one browser (Opera) only to possibly see it be run out of business and then Nokia would've been left with no viable option. Strengthening Mozilla helps them not only on the phone platform but it also aggrivates Microsoft in its home industry. Smart move, Nokia. Now work on getting the radiation levels lowered on your products...

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  12. This makes sense by jsebrech · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This does make sense to me:

    - no licensing costs (fixed costs like this investment you can make up for in volume, but per product licensing costs are a constant drag on profit)
    - no need to wait for a port from the browser maker, you can do it yourself, or have the user community do it for you (very few phones have opera ports currently)
    - tied into that, user community assistance in general browser development
    - the pda opera is not a full browser, minimo is (by full I mean complete css, dom and js support)
    - open source (though from a corporate pov this is a tiny benefit)
    - better/easier customization than a proprietary product could hope to deliver
    - minimo picks up improvements to the mozilla trunk automatically, opera's ports need actual porting effort for updated features (afaik)
    - and in the future: possibility of running xul apps remotely on the phone, making developing/offering/selling new features for old phones a doable proposition

    Ofcourse, maybe nokia just wants competition in the pda browser market, and opera's steadily climbing marketshare worries them.

  13. btw links-hacked by rasz · · Score: 2, Interesting
    some feauteres :
    • Tabbed browsing - you may use tabs either in graphical or even in text mode.
    • Lua scripting - ported from Links-Lua, not from current ELinks code, but the differences are not so sensitive, I hope.
    • HTTP Auth - stable, ported from Elinks
    • HTTP Proxy Auth - ported from Elinks, need to be checked.
    • Blocking of selected images - my own code ;-). You may block images containing given substring (of course, it is better to use regexps, but this way is more portable). Just press '-' to edit the list of blocked patterns.
    • Cookies saving - ported from ELinks, now our HTTP-header date parsing is correct, I hope.
    • New options system - inspired by ELinks one, but much more uglier currently ;-)) Only a few options are implemented through it. Press 'Ctrl+o' to call options manager.
    • Possibility to open new windows instead of new links instances in graphics mode - new socket is created with name 'glinks' in links dir, instead of 'links' for text instances, so they can work independently. After that command 'links -g' works like 'mozilla -remote', simply opening new instances from currently running one. But it has some limitations - these new windows will open on the same display as original one...
    • Url copying - some code from Ludvik Tezar' patch, but the backend is organized more cleanly - there are two additional fields in struct graphics_driver - put_to_clipboard and get_from_clipboard. Only X11 backend is functional now, as I don't use others ;-)
    • Full-text selection - Now we have nearly complete full-text selection - you may select any part of rendered text (except form controls) and copy it to clipboard. Clipboard charset is configurable through new options system (Ctrl+'o').
    • Simple printing - It is VERY simple - we make PDF file (throung pdflib) with text only (just a rectangles instead of images), and with PDF internal fonts only (don't even try to print non-latin-1 texts!!!) - but we have more-or-less correct layout and page breakings. Press 'P', and it will ask you for filename to print to.
    • Forward history - really, single history list, you can move backward and forward through it
    • Extended and configurable 'toolbar' - there are currently Back, History, Forward, Reload, Bookmarks, Home and Stop buttons. 'Configurability' means that you can change each button look (they use pixmaps from special internal system-medium-serif-vari font you can find in graphics/font dir) and even turn it on or off.
    • Configurable 'mini-status' - some useful info in lower right corner of your window to show how many connections now in 'running' or 'connecting' state are, and also SSL, Content-Encoding and Images flags.
    • Some small but useful improvements - support for "small" and "big" tags, keybinding ("i") to turn on/off images, possibility to show HTTP header ("|", as in Elinks), support for compressed content (Content-Encoding and gzipped local files), configurable support for Accept-Charset and Accept-Language.
    • Modularized font subsystem - currently builtin fonts and Unicode TrueType (through freetype backend) may be used. Font manager is available (Ctrl+'i') for adding/deleting external (only freetype yet) fonts. External fonts have the same way into the code - so they are antialiased as good as builtin ;-)
    • Dialogs shadows and borders - Just shadows ;-))
    From links-hacked site.
    Can you spell BLOAT ? I know you want to, c'mon, dont be shy, Lets say it togethet, Mozilla is a BLOATHOG !
  14. Re:FUCK IT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    A number of years ago, a friend of mine went to England. While looking at one of those travel guides, there was a cooment about Americans being compulsive about cleanliness, they bathe or shower daily. Is this a common attitude there? I know if I don't shower daily, I feel disgusting.