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N-Gage QD Review - No More Side-Talkin'

jasoncart writes "After the apparently poor uptake, and questionable design of the original N-Gage, have Nokia taken the hint when designing the next model - the N-Gage QD? Ferrago has a hands-on review."

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  1. I don't get it... by cbrocious · · Score: 5, Funny

    What was wrong with the original? Doesn't everyone like looking like they're talking into a taco?

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    1. Re:I don't get it... by ProudClod · · Score: 4, Informative

      You may laugh, but nokia's official featurelist for the Ngage now includes "sidetalkin'"!

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    2. Re:I don't get it... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What I don't get is why Nokia didn't design it like the 6810. The 6810 even has a joystick! Just replace that keyboard with a DPad and buttons, and you'd be in business. Instead they thought that everyone would want to talk into something that looked like a reject from a Fischer Price factory. Go figure.

    3. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wow. I thought you were joking. Anybody want to guess how long until they put "difficult to remove game cartridges" or "narrow-screen color LCD" on their feature list?

    4. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Doesn't everyone like looking like they're talking into a taco?

      Well, I know my girlfriend likes it when I look like that.

    5. Re:I don't get it... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Informative

      They didn't design it like you suggested because you have more clue than Nokia

      While that's an easy stance to take, I feel I should point out that the 6800 series of phones are also built by Nokia. Therefore someone in Nokia must have a clue, it just doesn't appear to be the ones who designed the N-Gage.

      Perhaps the real problem with the N-GAGE form factor is that Nokia tried to pack too much stuff into it. The N-GAGE does games, Java, MP3s, Radio, Bluetooth, IR, and a bunch of other junk all while trying to be a phone. At the very least, the standard battery simply wouldn't be powerful enough for more than a half-hour of game time. A single game could result in serious draw by the following devices:

      - Main CPU
      - Bluetooth processor
      - 3D GPU
      - FM Digital Signal Processor
      - LCD Color Display
      - Standby GSM communications

      Between all of those, I wouldn't be surprised if the power draw was somewhere around 3-10 Watts! ("Standby" power draw of a phone is usually less than a Watt.) You'd need a Laptop battery to power the thing for any appreciable amount of time. If Nokia had simply scaled back the device in a few areas, they might have had a good shot at a first gen device. Instead they overengineered it and guaranteed failure.

      BTW, I think I know why you have to remove the battery to change the game. The Nokia engineers were probably stumped by the issue of making the user reboot the handheld before changing the cartrige. Game systems like the NES and Gameboy would actually lock the cartrige when they were turned on. Nokia's solution was to instead force people to remove the battery. This guarantees that the phone will be shut off when the cartriges are swapped and circumvents the requirement for a mechanical switch to lock the cartrige. It was still a dumb idea.

  2. No longer looks like you're talking into a taco! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now it looks like you're talking into a hot pocket.

  3. No new security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now and then N-Gage jwarez appears on p2p networks. So do they really profit or are most users pirating the games?

    Well, at least they weren't sucked into the (proprietary) GNU/Debina hype.

  4. Yep. by ProudClod · · Score: 5, Informative

    Another games reviewer here. Got mine yesterday morning from the lovely PR people. It's a much nicer bit of kit than the original - almost all the design flaws are sorted and fixed, and there appears to be a wave of halfdecent games on the way.

    I wrote a postmortem of the original N-Gage [google cache] which details what the QD fixes - I would add though that the QD is by no means a 'small' phone, it's almost the width of an old Nokia 1610!

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  5. Going/Has to Bomb by Askjeffro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is Nokia just stubborn? There is no way there little thing stands a chance, even with this "revision". It's time to cut their losses.

    1. Re:Going/Has to Bomb by Grey+Ninja · · Score: 2

      The thing is that GBA was already successful. Nokia has failed miserably, and 3rd party support is drying right up. It's like redesigning a Betamax right now and trying to sell it. There's no point.

  6. No matter how good it is I'm not getting one by Zarks · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I just want a small simple phone that does phone calls and text messages. MP3 playback is good but my MP3 player does that better and cheaper. While the N-Gage looks quite cool its not going to fit in your pocket that easily. I'm going to keep my gaming to PC's for now. When they can invent a phone with a 19" screen, 3D accelleration, a mouse and a keyboard that fits in your pocket easily, I'll buy it.

    1. Re:No matter how good it is I'm not getting one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When your travelling for a long time and you find yourself carrying a PDA and/or gameboy, phone, mp3 player, radio etc a device like this really makes sense even if it costs slightly more than the lot put together.

    2. Re:No matter how good it is I'm not getting one by XryanX · · Score: 5, Funny

      "When they can invent a phone with a 19" screen, 3D accelleration, a mouse and a keyboard that fits in your pocket easily, I'll buy it."

      The answer is simple: BIGGER POCKETS!

    3. Re:No matter how good it is I'm not getting one by MBCook · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I know what you mean. I'd like my cellphone to have games, personally, but not like the N-Gage. I want cheezy little versions of Tetris, Bejewelled, Snake, other other little things. They are supposed to be little diversions. But I DEFINATLY don't get making the phone a full console and expecting people to buy games for it, that just seems nuts. Even if they could make a GBA-Cellphone combo that worked out great, I don't think I'd buy one because that's not what I'm looking for in a cell phone.

      Convergence is OK, but the things have to make sense. I'm about as likely to that as I am a combination hairbrush/digital camera.

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  7. Lost the Advantage. by hethatishere · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Nokia lost it's chance with both Nintendo and Sony having shown their offerings and strutted their stuff who will even care for an updated design to the N-Gage?

    Not many considering the only time gamers really talk about it is how cool "it could have been" and how ugly it is. Making it less ugly doesn't increase it's chances in a market which since the original's launch is clearly going to see some strong competition in the "high-end" portable gaming market.

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    1. Re:Lost the Advantage. by NanoGator · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Nokia lost it's chance with both Nintendo and Sony having shown their offerings and strutted their stuff who will even care for an updated design to the N-Gage?"

      There's still a niche market. If I could get a cell phone that plays decent games for under $99, I'd consider it. Now that they've gotten some of the major issues out of the way, it might be worth another look.

      Would I sell my Game Boy Advance SP for it? Oh hell no. But I do enjoy the odd game on my cell phone from time to time. Why? For the simple reason that my phone goes with me everywhere. My Game Boy... well it sits around my apartment. Maybe I think to grab it if I know I'm gonna be waiting somewhere.

      So no, I don't agree that nobody will care. However, I'm not optimistic enough to think they could reach millions of units sold. They're going to have to figure something out to make it that popular. Maybe that'll happen? They have the whole wireless thing going for it. Multiplayer gaming could be cool. Who cares if only 10 thousand are on the market, nation wide, you can still find somebody to play against.

      The reality is that it's probably dead. Pity, they had some of the right things in place. One way or another, I do feel that cell phones will have more gaming capabilities down the road.

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  8. Re:Pfft by SlamMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    So would I , if I'd ever have actuallly seen somebody buy one.

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  9. Calling on my GBA by freeduke · · Score: 3, Interesting
    There is no way for me to buy a portable gaming system from a cell phone manufacturer: on their first attempt, they did not even know where to put the cartridge. That seems to anounce bad new for the upcoming games, anyway, they have got the solution: if it is useless, you can still call a hotline!

    I will buy this kind of mixed system when Nintendo includes a cell phone in GBA.

    1. Re:Calling on my GBA by Wild+Bill+TX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I will buy this kind of mixed system when Nintendo includes a cell phone in GBA.

      I honestly doubt that Nintendo will ever do that. Nintendo tends to focus on features related to gaming, unlike other companies that put out "game" systems.

  10. Not good for a gamer by fuxoft · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a GBA SP owner I was really underwhelmed by QD as a gaming machine (I tried about half a dozen games). - Both by quality and by LOADING TIMES (up to 30 seconds before you can start playing)! However, for the price, I think this is really useful phone for people who want to surf wap/WWW and send/receive e-mails. And have cool ringphones. :) I would be happiest if it was a little bit smaller and without the cartridge-based games capability. Also, you cannot connect it directly to computer and it doesn't have IR port. So if you want to transfer data from/to it, you must do it using Bluetooth or internet.

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    1. Re:Not good for a gamer by Kris_J · · Score: 3, Informative

      The loading times issue is actually quite interesting. In order to save money on the MMC card, some games are compressed. Sonic N loads straight away, it's not compressed. Tomb Raider and Pandemonium have loading times, they are compressed -- to just below 8MB if memory serves. If you compare the loading times of, say, TR to Crazy Taxi on the GBA (which is quite a technical marvel), they are roughly the same.

  11. I like the specs by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    but why oh why can't they simplyfy the button layout for gaming? It's still a bitch to hit just the buttons you want. Would it be so hard to have a couple of buttons separated out or stuck out a bit more? I still don't really like the aspect ratio. It's not well suited for platformers or rpgs (but I'd love to see some horizontal shooters on it :).

    I remember nintendo saying they we're leaving 3D more or less out of the GBA because it's not well suited for small screens. That may not be entirely true, but I do think it's a bad idea to try and make a 3D portable console without consideration for the small screen size. They should take more advantage of the small size to 'cheat'. Take a look At King of Fighters R2 for the Gameboy advance. Could they really squeeze all of KOF2001 (more or less what it's based on) onto a 16 MB game boy cartidge? No of cousre not, but because everything is so small and low res, they can cut down on the detail in the sprites and it still looks good, because you're eye won't miss the details that much anyway.

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  12. try to do too many things, you're bad at all by wyldeone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While it is good news that Nokia finally got rid of that anoying problem with having to take out the battery to change games, but for any serious gamer it would be best to wait for the Nintendo DS or the Sony PSP. The NGage, trying to do so many things (mp3 player, game player, phone) cannot hope to do as well as something that is designed from top to bottom for games. Also, as Nokia has no prior work with gaming (other than the previous NGage) they do not have the funementals of a good game system down. Also, they have very lackluster support from third party developers.

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  13. Brave attempt but no thanks by tonejava · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was really impressed by the first version until I found out about having to remove the battery to change games. Then when the QD came out I was disappointed that they had dropped MP3 support.

    Looks like I won't be getting a Nokia N-Gage this time round either and will happily wait for the Nintendo DS. Now if only the DS supported Java we would have ALOT of open source source software on a decent device! VOIP perhaps?

  14. Nice phone/console by N3koFever · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've seen this thing and the original in action and the improvement is vast. It make you wonder what the hell Nokia was thinking when they didn't do this the first time around and I'd definitely consider one if they got some decent games on it. You can have all the hardware in the world but it's worthless without software support which the N-Gage is horribly lacking in.

  15. similar fate as PDA phones by AlphaDecay · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think the NGage suffers from the same problems of convergence as PDA phones and probably limits itself to a similar, albeit smaller, market slice. Meaning, the people who buy PDA phones are those who would like to have both features but aren't particularly tied to the bonuses that the individual products can provide.

    I think PDA phones have it better in that the features provided are easier to do and less likely tot leave you wanting a stand alone device. Consider the gaming mentality though, gamers want faster, better graphics and more options. I definitely think this convergence device will (and has) have a hard time catering to that crowd.

    So in follow up, can Nokia maintain the product with such a small market segment? Considering the price of development (anyone know what royalties Nokia is tossing out?) I doubt they can maintain any sort of decent game library.

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  16. As a NGage owner ... by snowtigger · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... I am a little sceptic to the new design.

    Yep, I'm using an NGage. Not because of the gaming stuff (which does increase the gadget value) but because it has a lot of nice features and was cheap to buy. It works both in Europe and the US, it's got Bluetooth and runs Symbian applications. Most of all, I really appreciate the radio function and being able to record songs I like when I hear them.

    Though I also find it funny, I have never experienced the "Dumbo effect". The phone comes with a nice handsfree and if that's not cool enough, you can always go for a Bluetooth headset.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy the new phone and I think Nokia is shooting themselves in the foot beleiving people will buy a phone only for the gaming capabilities.

  17. It looks great by lewp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's a beautiful little device, and I really want wireless head to head gaming. I have a T610, though, and doubt that I would want to replace it with this as my cell phone.

    Of course it's expensive enough to not be worth buying unless you do need it as a cell phone.

    I wonder how many people will pass it up for this reason.

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  18. Mourning the death of the best feature by xsupergr0verx · · Score: 3, Funny

    The original Sidetalking! website has started a petition to bring back the most hilariously awful feature in their phones yet.

    R.I.P. sidetalking...

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  19. duh its an urban legend by The_reformant · · Score: 2, Interesting

    i have one of the one step down models (the mp3 playing ones) but have also used the n-gage and despite them being pretty clunky the side talking thing is just a stupid internet craze...you can use them like normal phones and it works fine..honestly

    still i guess a more ergonomic design should be encouraged

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  20. +5 Informative?? how by Eric(b0mb)Dennis · · Score: 3, Informative

    *****The QD could be a really interesting product if they used the synergy effects created by merging a phone with a mobile game system. For instance, Bluetooth would be a great, albeit power-consuming, way to implement multiplayer games. The same goes for location-based or WAP stuff.*****

    How can this guy even be a +1? Obviously he isn't even a real tester because if he's been playing a QD how can you miss the BLARRINGLY OBVIOUS MULTIPLAYER OPTION OVER BLUETOOTH

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  21. N-Gage QD Has a Niche by militiaMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It may not be the perfect gaming machine, but I don't want to carry around a laptop or GB all the time. When I wait in line for lazy government and large corporate employees to do their do nothing job I can play. Just think you can play a game while you wait in line at the post office and such. Pushing a dolly and having a GBA, Cell, and MP3 player is just too much. They have a niche market and they are going to keep it for a while. Plus anyone that knows J2ME can make games for it for free. Just look at how much it cost for a GBA dev kit. Plus the API is more complicated that J2ME.