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More On The Open Sourcing Of Iraq

popdookey writes " The BBC's broadcast, The World, has run a piece on the growing Linux movement in Iraq as was previously reported here on Slashdot. 'In Iraq, a group of computer users has started writing open source computer code. They're Linux enthusiasts. The idea is to make low-cost, home-grown software and is said to hold great promise for developing countries. It could leapfrog Iraq into a more competitive future. The World technology reporter Clark Boyd reports.'"

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  1. They work fast by neilmoore67 · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is a, IIRC, recently formed Linux user group in Iraq: http://www.iraqilinux.org/ IMHO it's a good change for open source to make an impact if Iraq's public services are going to have the opportunity to make a fresh start on handover.

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  2. Re:Linux report as WMA audio file by Alranor · · Score: 2, Informative

    Does mplayer not cope with wma files?

  3. Re:Linux report as WMA audio file by Short+Circuit · · Score: 3, Informative

    Debian doesn't include mplayer...but you can still download it from their website.

  4. Re:Import restrictions? by Short+Circuit · · Score: 4, Informative

    Possibly the cryptoloop stuff, but remember that Linux is a global project.

    That's why distributions like Debian distribute encryption-related stuff from servers outside the US.

  5. Re:Wait, what? by Nakkel · · Score: 0, Informative

    No, they have PlayStation2s running Linux.

  6. Re:Bloat solution? by Short+Circuit · · Score: 3, Informative

    This might be a troll, but I'll bite.

    Don't like GNOME? Use windowmaker. If that's still too fat for you, use oroborus. Still too big? Try setting your window manager to "twm".

    Don't like OpenOffice? MS Office isn't much better...maybe you'd better stick to HTML and CSS with Bluefish. Or maybe vim or Emacs.

    FireFox still too slow? As long as you're dropping features by moving away, try w3m or lynx...two very capable text-based browsers.

    Don't have a 3D accelerator? Play software-rendered Quake. Or (using that same project) use the SDL's aalib target.

  7. Re:Import restrictions? by Alexis+de+Torquemada · · Score: 2, Informative

    The exemption is for source code in general (as opposed to binaries). So you can ship $DISTRO with the full kernel and gpg sources, as long as you include neither cryptoloop nor gpg in binary form. It's a rather strange law...

  8. Re:Linux report as WMA audio file by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    use vlc (apt-get install vlc), it plays wma files out of the box.

  9. US Law (from Silicon Valley LUG Open Letter) by LondonLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Linux is the Free/Open Source UNIX-like operating system kernel that runs on many modern computer systems. Linux is available under the GNU General Public License, which means that users may freely copy, change, and distribute it, but must make source code available to recipients and may not impose any restrictions on further distribution. Linux does contain some security features that use encryption. As such, it is classified under ECCN 5D002. Because Linux is open source, it is eligible for export under License Exception TSU in accordance with 15 CFR 740.13(e).

    On May 7, the President exercised his authority under the Wartime Supplemental Authorization Act of 2003 to suspend most of the provisions of the Iraq Sanctions Act of 1990. On June 27, 2003, the Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) published an interim final rule (68 Fed. Reg. 38188) amending the Iraqi Sanctions Regulations, 31 CFR part 575, to include a general license authorizing certain new transactions. The export of items controlled by the Department of Commerce was addressed in 31 CFR 575.533(b)(2):

    The exportation from the United States or, if subject to U.S. jurisdiction, the exportation or rexportation from a third country to Iraq of any goods or technology (including technical data or other information) controlled by the Department of Commerce under the Export Administration Regulations (15 CFR chapter VII, subchapter C) for exportation to Iraq must be separately authorized by or pursuant to this part.

    The term "controlled by the Department of Commerce" means subject to a license requirement under the Department of Commerce's Export Administration Regulations (EAR). Items subject to a license requirement under the EAR include items on the Commerce Control List that are listed in 15 CFR 746.3 as requiring a license for exportation or reexportation to Iraq.

    Under Section 746.3 of the EAR, an export license is required to export or reexport to Iraq any item on the CCL containing a NS Column 1 in the Country Chart Column of the License Requirements section of an ECCN. Software classified under ECCN 5D002 is controlled for NS Column 1.

    It is important to note that proprietary operating system software such as Microsoft Windows and Sun Solaris have been classified as mass-market encryption products and are eligible for export under ECCN 5D992. These products may be exported to Iraq without a license under the interim final rule (68 Fed. Reg. 38188) amending the Iraqi Sanctions Regulations.

    Under the provisions of License Exception TSU, open source and the corresponding object code may be exported to all destinations except Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan and Syria. Thus, open source and the corresponding object code are treated as if subject only to AT (anti-terrorism) controls. Items subject to AT controls may be exported to Iraq under the interim final rule (68 Fed. Reg. 38188) amending the Iraqi Sanctions Regulations.

    Source: http://linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7318

  10. Re:Linux report as WMA audio file by Apreche · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't know about everyone else, but I have two programs, xmms and mplayer. mplayer has never failed to play, absolutely perfectly, any video file I ever throw at it. Which is more than I can say for any windows video player. Likewise xmms does not fail to play any audio file I ever throw at it. If yours doesn't, maybe you didn't choose the right options at compile-time or maybe you are using a binary distro that didn't add those things in for you. Either compile them yourself from source or use a source based distro like gentoo or lunar linux. However I do have a friend who runs debian and his mplayer/xmms is as good as mine. Maybe you just don't have the codecs installed or something?

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  11. Re:A link to the Iraqi Linux Group? by MajGeek · · Score: 2, Informative

    I couldn't RTFA so I don't know if it's the same group but the Iraqi Linux Users Group headquartered in Baghdad is here.

  12. Re:Developing countries by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, uCLinux doesn't support the 8086, but try ELKS. (reference)

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  13. Re:Slovenia as a developing country?!! by kd4evr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Current state of affairs in Slovenia:

    - officially joined EU May this year
    - may adopt currency (Euro) in next couple of years
    - inflation some 4% and dropping
    - cost of living close to EU, paychecks lower, though

    - parrent is correct, no globaly-strong economic players there
    - only suitable for investors and VC with thich skin and stamina
    - too expensive and inflexible public administration (could be true in a lot of places, though)
    - taxes the life and blood out of decent citizens and straight businesses
    - little to no perspective for young people & families

    Developing country is a wrong label for Slovenia. The correct indication is that Slovenia is a country that could be well off and has every chance of being a member of the 'developed' club; however, with a self-centered attidute, minorty complex of a small nation and a prevailing sense of envy and narrow-minded greed in most of the population, the nation is draining its resources the wrong way.
    As a non-fitting member of this Slovenian society, constantly contemplating a well known sport of the nation: emigration (or e-migration, for that matter) I still have to develop a term like 'Retarding' country for the state of affairs...

    Damn retards even renewed the M$ licenses without a wink of an eye - for big bucks; at the same time the news was out that M$ flexes to zero to stay in business against the cheaper and the better.

  14. Re:Now this is proof enough, don't you think? by syn3rg · · Score: 2, Informative

    The attempted assassination (April 1993 in Kuwait; 11 Iraqia arrested) of an ex-president (and yes I'd feel the same if it had been Clinton) is internationally accepted as an act of war.

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  15. Re:Now this is proof enough, don't you think? by hugzz · · Score: 2, Informative
    Iraq is anti-US

    Wrong.
    US is anti-Iraq : AFAIK, Iraq never invaded nor bombed US.

    A lot of the world is anti-US. Doesn't mean they're bombing or invading the US. That isn't the definitive guide to who is or isn't anti-US

  16. Re:Now this is proof enough, don't you think? by mirko · · Score: 2, Informative

    A lot of the world is anti-US.

    Or maybe it's just the US which is paranoid because as far as I see here in Europe, we just pity you for having such corporation, or testosteron-driven presidents.

    Really : we like American people, we felt sorry for you when 2 planes hit the WTC, we even told you at this time, if you do not remember how compassionate we sincerely were, then you definitely have a problem.

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  17. Re:after bush by Rei · · Score: 2, Informative

    ... whose graves are mysteriously not turning up.

    The largest mass grave had under 2,000 bodies in it, and these were from the 1991 Shia uprising. There have been about 50 of them found so far, most of them small (50 bodies), and most of those dating to times of war or uprising.

    Tony Blair gave a figure of 300,000 and credited it to the UN. However, his figure came from HRW, which is not UN affiliated, and HRW stated that their figure was simply a pre-war estimate based largely on talking with Kurdish sources and asking them how many were "missing" dating as far back as the Iran-Iraq war.

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  18. Re:Now this is proof enough, don't you think? by Rei · · Score: 2, Informative

    You mean the thing that was at its very worst a depleted chemical so far gone that its side effects were "nausea and dialated pupils"

    Congratulations everyone: We've found the "Weapons Of Mass Inconvenience" that we invaded Iraq for. We can pack up and go home!

    A single shell of what is at *worst* decayed-to-the-point-of-worthlessness chemical weaponry that has undoubtedly been sitting in some field for the past decade is nothing. The US has chemical weapons shells strewn across testing ranges in several parts of the country; Iran and Iraq were in a *chemical war* with each other, and you expect this third-world banana republic to know where every last one is?

    When you're not looking "at worst", one might be cynical and note the fact that the US has proclaimed "WMD FIND!!!" about 50 times thusfar in this conflict, only to be later proven wrong with each one. The rate of false-positives with soldier-carried WMD detectors is god-awful, and the mobile labs are simply "pretty bad". The big problem is that organophosphates tend to show up as nerve gas, and other phosphorous chemicals as blister agents, unless studied in a fully equipped stateside/base-side lab.

    Lastly, some loony in our country - a first-world, wealthy, *relatively* uncorrupt nation - managed to acquire and send anthrax to dozens of people. Are you saying that in some backwoods country like Iraq, with a very educated workforce, an equivalent (and even far less successfull) thing couldn't be done?

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  19. Asymmetric Propoganda [re: truth is out there] by rm3friskerFTN · · Score: 2, Informative
    Can't help but comment on you sig, "The Truth is Out There" linking to Moore's 'Unfairenheit 9/11' website

    In the interest of balance and intellectual honesty, you might wish to also link to the Iraqi Torture Video

    hand amputation

    finger chopping

    beating with metal pipe

    arm breaking with metal pipe
    ... presumably more videos exist but DOD refuses to release them

    From the Wall Street Jounal Online Edition:

    The American Enterprise Institute held an unusual video screening [several days ago], and hardly anyone showed up. One who did was the New York Post's Deborah Orin: The video only lasts four minutes or so--gruesome scenes of torture from the days when Saddam Hussein's thugs ruled Abu Ghraib prison. I couldn't bear to watch, so I walked out until it was over.

    Some who stayed wished they hadn't. They told of savage scenes of decapitation, fingers chopped off one by one, tongues hacked out with a razor blade--all while victims shriek in pain and the thugs chant Saddam's praises.

    Saddam's henchmen took the videos as newsreels to document their deeds in honor of their leader.

    But these awful images didn't show up on American TV news ["the truth is out there" but being hidden from us???].

    In fact, just four or five reporters showed up for the screening at the American Enterprise Institute think tank, which says it got the video via the Pentagon. Fewer wrote about it. ["the truth is out there" but being hidden from us???]

    [snip][snip][snip]

    As Orin notes, this "raises a very complex problem in the War on Terror. It's worse than creating moral equivalence between Saddam's tortures and prisoner abuse by U.S. troops. It's that we do far more to highlight our own [western liberal democracy] wrongdoings precisely because they are less appalling."

    Part of the problem may be that the press hasn't quite figured out how to deal with such "asymmetric propaganda," [the internet changes everything ;-];-];-] as Orin calls it. Yet it doesn't seem that it would be that hard to provide context--to make sure that every story about American abuses at Abu Ghraib also included graphic descriptions of what went on there before Iraq's liberation.

    [snip][snip][snip]

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