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Mobo for Vertically Challenged Devices

An anonymous reader writes "VIA is shipping an ultra-low profile mini-ITX mainboard suitable for flat TVs, LCD-panel computers, and other vertically challenged devices. The Epia MS uses a minimalistic I/O backplate and SODIMM memory for a slimmer form-factor, and is VIA's first mini-ITX board available with a fanless 1GHz Eden embedded processor. The board has several processor options, but they all include the PadLock Ace hardware RNG and AES encrypt/decrypt features that are now supported by the Linux and BSD kernels."

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  1. Oh no not in there!? by Braingoo · · Score: 3, Funny

    now we can install computers in the most ungodly places!

    1. Re:Oh no not in there!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      now we can install computers in the most ungodly places!

      What, like in the back of a Volkswagen?

  2. Thickness??! by morcheeba · · Score: 5, Informative

    For a board that concentrates on being thin, I find it surprising that that dimension isn't listed. It's not on Via's product listing for this board and it's not in the user's manual (pdf).

    Visually, i'm guessing that it is thicker than the 0.75" base of my PowerBook, but I'd like to know the real size...

  3. ummm.......? by Osgyth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Aren't flat TVs depth challenged rather then vertically challenged? Unless of course you lay it on the ground and stand over it to watch it.....

    1. Re:ummm.......? by WoodstockJeff · · Score: 4, Funny

      All televisions are depth challenged, no matter what their dimensions. You need only turn them on to see the problem!

    2. Re:ummm.......? by Bob+McCown · · Score: 3, Funny

      Cant do that, it'll get in the way of the mirror!

      [puts on his leisure suit]

  4. Very PC of you, /. by SkyWalk423 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's so nice to see that you finally quit referring to them as "midget" devices and went with the much more PC "vertically challenged" devices.

  5. Nice little board by nizo · · Score: 4, Informative

    This would be an excellent board for a quiet mini-system. Toss in something like a thumb drive or whatever and it would stay quiet. BTW Toms hardware said they will sell for around $180 too, which is pretty reasonable.

  6. Could this lead by foidulus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To a linux-y iMac? IE a very small, compact all in one computer that runs linux? Could make some serious inroads for linux on the desktop. A think the appeal of the iMac lies in that it is small, easy to hook up(no rats nest), and has astehtic value.
    Making a cheap version of this could definatly have market potential(esp. since you can control the hardware, it makes plug and play linux even easier)

    1. Re:Could this lead by marnargulus · · Score: 3, Informative

      You mean something like the Cubit or the T-Cube (a little down the page in orange) with a monitor slapped on? Been done. Many times.

    2. Re:Could this lead by dr.badass · · Score: 5, Funny

      A think the appeal of the iMac lies in that it is small, easy to hook up(no rats nest), and has astehtic value.

      You just listed three things that are not true about Linux.

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  7. Firewall? Please? by SpootFinallyRegister · · Score: 4, Insightful

    i love the small, quiet, cool boards, but why cant anyone make an EPIA board with two network interfaces? VIA, are you listening?

    1. Re:Firewall? Please? by Aliencow · · Score: 3, Informative

      What the hell do you think an Epia CL-10000 Dual Lan is ?

    2. Re:Firewall? Please? by tokul · · Score: 5, Informative

      Epia CL

      I think they do listen.

  8. Re:Sounds like the mean horizontally chalenged by cynic10508 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Theres plenty of room in a flat screen TV if you place the card verticly, am I missing something??

    Yeup. The "al" in "vertically".

  9. Cool, but... by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 4, Funny

    So this is a laptop mobo without the lap?

    oh, you can put it sideways (as if the electrons would fall out)?

    So it's a lap-side?

    Am I missing something here?

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  10. Um ... *vertically* challenged? by magefile · · Score: 5, Funny

    Aren't flat-panel monitors and TVs *horizontally* challenged?

  11. Buyer Beware by Meniconi,Nando · · Score: 4, Informative
    I am the not-so-proud owner of a VIA M10000 motherboard.

    The CPU is barely equivalent to a Celeron 600, the video quality (s-video) is quite low, the control panel (Windows, sorry) for the surround sound is brain-damaged, and the tiny fan is much noiser than one would expect.

    That board does not come with any sort of hardware monitor app, and I had to replace the CPU fan with a larger, slower one to cut down the noise to the originally promised "whisper" level.

    Not a bad board, but if fails to meet any of the expectations it sets in its specs. Make sure to read the hardware reviews, and buy from a seller with a money-back guarantee.

  12. Hardware RNG and AES, huh? by Benanov · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sounds like a good fit for a lot of security-related applications--rackmount DMZ servers, firewalls, central controller for various physical security devices (biometrics controlling electronic locks on doors, etc.) I knew that the hardware RNG and AES-encrypt/decrypt functions were supported by OpenBSD a while ago (don't ask me when...I think by the time 3.4 came around. Confirmation?) It's no small feat to have them in other kernels, and bodes well for OSS applications. I'd assume it's also low-power due to the small form factor, which is another plus. Can't check the article, as my manager's about to breathe down my neck. :)

  13. Fanless? As in no fan? by Rick.C · · Score: 5, Interesting
    "Please pay no attention to the pictures. These were taken from a weird camera angle the produced a fan-shaped distortion in the heatsink grid." - a deep booming voice from behind the curtain.

    While there are indeed fanless mini-ITX systems, this ain't one of them.

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    1. Re:Fanless? As in no fan? by Gogo+Dodo · · Score: 3, Informative

      You need to read the article instead of just looking at the pictures. If you put in an Eden processor, the board is fanless. If you put in a C3 processor, you get the "fansink". The photos in the Linuxdevices article is of the C3 processor model.

  14. Shame, onboard connectors... by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Via needs to get rid of all onboard connectors and replace them all with handy-dandy pinouts on the mainboard instead. Would make for some WAY easier modifications, as you can mount the connectors wherever the hell you want them and then wire them to the mainboard, instead of trying to force the mainboard into some awkward angle just so you can plug in the mouse and keyboard...

  15. Proving Randomness by mscalora · · Score: 3, Interesting
    From VIA's PR on RNG:
    ... for instance, [using] mouse or keyboard timing input [as a source of entropy] ...
    While these physical activities may look random, their randomness cannot be proven, and they run the risk of generating poor entropy (or no entropy) if the sampled physical activity is dormant or repetitive. ...

    Quantum Mechanism
    The only truly random generator is a mechanism that detects quantum behavior at the sub-atomic level. This is because randomness is inherent in the behavior of sub-atomic particles.

    Has someone really proven that the apparent quantum randomness is really random?

    -Mike
    1. Re:Proving Randomness by Erik+Lindahl · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Has someone really proven that the apparent quantum randomness is really random?
      That depends on what you mean by random. In principle the answer is no, since there is no such thing as "random" in physics. The question is rather if it is possible to predict an observation.

      The heisenberg uncertainty principle (which can be proved if you accept the postulates of quantum mechanics) means you cannot observe both position and momentum (velocity) of a particle exactly. If there are small errors in any measurement, it will be impossible to make a perfect prediction of the future motion - no matter how expensive your equipment is.

      However, even if quantum mechanics is somedays proven wrong, statistical mechanics saves you, and this relies on basic mathematical properties rather than physical models: If you consider the 10^23 atoms in a gram of matter and take millions of random samples of their thermal noise (velocities) I think you'll agree that it's perfectly random for all intents and purposes - much more so than throwing a dice, which is considered random in normal life.

      Nevertheless, in contrast to mathematics physics relies on models that might be incorrect, so you can never really "prove" anything in physics (apart from within the scope of a certain theory, like quantum mechanics).

      Cheers,

      Erik
  16. The quiet and small PC movement by Zoinks · · Score: 5, Informative

    It may come as a surprise to some, but there's quite a lot of interest in very small and very quiet PCs. Just check out this site as a for instance. And there's also this review on Tom's Hardware site.

  17. DIY laptops for soon? by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Will we see DIY laptops soon?

    The first guy who will come out with a laptop-form factor chassis for those motherboards will make a killing, a bit like the "lunchbox" chassis of yesteryear.

    We'll be able to crank-out custom laptops make to suit our desires without having to contend with proprietary crap which won't properly run [insert favourite non-proprietary open-source/subversive operating system]...

  18. Re:not good enough by ModernGeek · · Score: 3, Informative

    RTFA, there is a version that doesn't need a fan, the 800 Mhz one, you only need a fan if you get the 1.2 Ghz processor.

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  19. ATX Connector by reality-bytes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems a bit daft that it still uses a vertical ATX power connecter, as once you have plugged it in, you will have the combined height of the plug and the curvature of the cable increasing the overall height.

    Surely they could have come up with some means of side-mounting the ATX connector?

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