First, please don't mod me into oblivion, I know a lot of people swear by this show but I'm one of many people who just didn't get it and I'm entitled to explain why.
That said, I saw Ghost in the Shell 1 and never was as bored in all my life. Sure the animation is good and the visuals are atmospheric, but the English dialogue was bordering on the hypnotic. Big overlong monologues that go on and on and on..... zzzzzz. And I got halfway through the film and still hadn't figured out what the hell they meant by a 'ghost.' I kept asking, 'okay, ghosts are an important part of all of this, I get it, now will you kindly tell us what the f@*# a ghost is please?' But no. Just more pseudo-intellectual waffle.
I strongly warn against anyone watching this stuff if you want to get into anime for the first time. This yawn-fest is not representative of anime. Watch Cowboy Bebop instead. It's a lot more fun, the animated cityscapes are stunning, and it doesn't take itself very seriously.
Yeah, the GITS movie is actually quite obscure in Japan. As any anime fan knows, the vast majority of anime (putting aside the question of whether it's actually good or not) is not at all like Ghost in the Shell, and that sort of thing is not very appealing to most Japanese. The film just happened to be the subject of early marketing pushes for anime in America, probably because it involves a lot of futuristic, gritty violence.
The Western perception (steadily eroding, fortunately) that anime mainly consists of sex and gunfighting is ironic. Here's what happened, as I understand it: Japanese marketers saw American films like Terminator, figured that Americans like lots of sex and guns, and decided that they should only release in America those anime films "appealing to American tastes". The American perception of anime to a large extent reflects the Japanese perception of American tastes!
Re:* YAWN *
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drinkypoo
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Interestingly, the big eyes style prevalent in anime was derived from American animation. It's amazing how we come full circle in so many ways...
-- "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
That site totally turned me off. I hate it when web sites mess with the size of my browser. I like it a certain size (which my home page will set when I open my browser just in case...) so when sites annoy me like that, 9 out of 10 times, the window gets closed. It reminds me of the days before pop-up blockers where pr0n sites would pop up full screen everywhere.
blah. I didn't even get past the flash intro.
Anyone want to let me in on this series?
-- -Mark
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain.
SIFF premiere...
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Quadrature
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I was able to see this movie when it premiered at the Seattle International Film Festival (at the Cinerama no less with it's kick ass visual and sound systems). It focuses on Bateau 3 years after the first movie. I enjoyed 2 in much the same way as 1 but it definitely has the same over use of philosophy and metaphors. If you don't get hung up on that, it is the most visually stunning film I've ever seen. While some of the scenes seem like they just did them to look good and don't aid the story at all, there are other moments where the juxtaposition of classical animation on top of intricately detailed CG environments gives it a remarkable look and sense of immersion. If you liked the first one, you'll definitely enjoy this one, even if it is a bit lighter on the substance. If you couldn't get by 1's philosophizing diaglouge, 2 will drive you insane.
Re:Looks Good...
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dgagley
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The best of the matrix is the Annimatrix.
I haven't watched the first Ghost in the shell - I'll have to get it. I do want to see 2 in te theatres. I would love to also get the Aeon Flux series on DVD.
My wife thinks i am nuts because I watch alot of the Annime in japanese. Sometime watching the art of the annimation without understanding the words gives a whole new perspective.
-- I can't use my sig - my computer can't read my handwriting.
The producer in Japan said that the title of the film should not have "2" in its name. The American title should have been Refer "Innocence - Ghost In the Shell". His intention was to target this movie to Japanese people who hadn't seen the original.
I think sequels are generally poorer than the initial movie and are a marketing convenience, but how many people won't see "2" because they missed "1"? Now that anime is widely popular (at least, compared to back in 1994), they should have stuck with the Japanese name.
"Innocence" also conveys the director's vision than "2" does. Mamoru Oshii is making a movie about life. What is human life and existance, as opposed to those that are machines? "Innocence": The theme of the movie.
Mamoru Oshii's vision is to make a movie that discusses--often overtly, which bothers some--the nature of human existence and how technology is changing the definition of humanity.
Not really, it's a different medium. English dubbed cell drawn Anime has proven to do well (Princess Monenoke) in the US.
That said, I saw Ghost in the Shell 1 and never was as bored in all my life. Sure the animation is good and the visuals are atmospheric, but the English dialogue was bordering on the hypnotic. Big overlong monologues that go on and on and on..... zzzzzz. And I got halfway through the film and still hadn't figured out what the hell they meant by a 'ghost.' I kept asking, 'okay, ghosts are an important part of all of this, I get it, now will you kindly tell us what the f@*# a ghost is please?' But no. Just more pseudo-intellectual waffle.
I strongly warn against anyone watching this stuff if you want to get into anime for the first time. This yawn-fest is not representative of anime. Watch Cowboy Bebop instead. It's a lot more fun, the animated cityscapes are stunning, and it doesn't take itself very seriously.
Drill baby drill - on Mars
That site totally turned me off. I hate it when web sites mess with the size of my browser. I like it a certain size (which my home page will set when I open my browser just in case...) so when sites annoy me like that, 9 out of 10 times, the window gets closed. It reminds me of the days before pop-up blockers where pr0n sites would pop up full screen everywhere.
blah. I didn't even get past the flash intro.
Anyone want to let me in on this series?
-Mark
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain.
I was able to see this movie when it premiered at the Seattle International Film Festival (at the Cinerama no less with it's kick ass visual and sound systems). It focuses on Bateau 3 years after the first movie. I enjoyed 2 in much the same way as 1 but it definitely has the same over use of philosophy and metaphors. If you don't get hung up on that, it is the most visually stunning film I've ever seen. While some of the scenes seem like they just did them to look good and don't aid the story at all, there are other moments where the juxtaposition of classical animation on top of intricately detailed CG environments gives it a remarkable look and sense of immersion. If you liked the first one, you'll definitely enjoy this one, even if it is a bit lighter on the substance. If you couldn't get by 1's philosophizing diaglouge, 2 will drive you insane.
The best of the matrix is the Annimatrix.
I haven't watched the first Ghost in the shell - I'll have to get it. I do want to see 2 in te theatres. I would love to also get the Aeon Flux series on DVD.
My wife thinks i am nuts because I watch alot of the Annime in japanese. Sometime watching the art of the annimation without understanding the words gives a whole new perspective.
I can't use my sig - my computer can't read my handwriting.
The producer in Japan said that the title of the film should not have "2" in its name. The American title should have been Refer "Innocence - Ghost In the Shell". His intention was to target this movie to Japanese people who hadn't seen the original.
I think sequels are generally poorer than the initial movie and are a marketing convenience, but how many people won't see "2" because they missed "1"? Now that anime is widely popular (at least, compared to back in 1994), they should have stuck with the Japanese name.
"Innocence" also conveys the director's vision than "2" does. Mamoru Oshii is making a movie about life. What is human life and existance, as opposed to those that are machines? "Innocence": The theme of the movie.
Mamoru Oshii's vision is to make a movie that discusses--often overtly, which bothers some--the nature of human existence and how technology is changing the definition of humanity.