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It also adds a Jabber server that provides the option of serving iChat. SSL/TLS and Kerberos can be added for security. A single Tiger iChat client can have chats running on multiple servers, so a user can be on the main iChat server, while having private chats on a company server. Because it is Jabber, non-iChat (and non-AIM) clients can participate too.
Tiger Server also works to make network setup even easier with Internet Gateway Setup Assistant. In Panther Server, setting up a network with DNS, DHCP, NAT, firewall, and port mapping was easier than most other platforms, but still required a good deal of manual configuration, and separate configuration of each service. The Setup Assistant will provide single-button setup of it all.
A Software Update Server can cache and control Apple software updates. So once you're satisfied that the new OS update won't delete home folders, you can OK it for your users to download; and they won't take up your Internet bandwidth, because the server cached it.
Mobile Home Directories allows a mobile user to sync his home directory with a central server, backing it up and allowing an admin to manage it.
A new Windows migration tool will allow Windows admins to migrate from Windows-based servers. Tiger Server can act as a Primary Domain Controller for a Windows network, and the tool will migrate user and group account from an existing Windows PDC into Open Directory 2 and Samba 3.
Tiger Server will retain the pricing structure of the previous versions: $500 for the 10-client edition and $1000 for the unlimited client edition (the number of clients referring only to simultaneous file sharing clients).
I find it interesting (and cool) that Apple seems to be throwing their weight behind Jabber.
But one question I have is this: What market is currently being targetted by the OS X Servers? I see some posts on all the general email lists I am on (PostgreSQL anyway), but not too many, leading me to conclude it is a niche market. Any thoughts?
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To further refine this explanation, the licensing is based on the number of AFP (Apple's filesharing protocol) connections. Unlimited web, ftp, and in previous versions unlimited windows SMB connections. I haven't noticed if this changes with 10.4.
Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, etc
How many felines are left? Even including "cat" and others, they are bound to run out, aren't they?
Maybe for OS 11 (OS X1?) they will start doing canines or something... Wolf, Coyote, Bear?
Robert Bindler
A Computer Science student's views on technology.
Dude- you gotta check out my blog on that very subject!
Well, your site is very impressive, especially the the ranting; I believe my favorite quote is something along the lines of you knowing everything about everyone within five minutes of meeting them.
I mention this as your perspective is the answer to your own question. I take it you are a nerd in high school and see yourself as existing on the fringe of whatever social structure exists at your school and your words indicate you have just made the fundamental realization that the fringe is not a bad place to be as it is where creativity often occurs (and you have also embraced the other half of that change in thinking the fringe is somehow a more powerful position than the mainstream; over time you will realize the validitity-- and necessity-- of both).
I say your perspective is the answer to your question because not everyone wants to make a site that is unique and stands out in terms of form. Many people want something easy to create that stands out in terms of content. Many technically inclined people who struggled endlessly to create unique and interesting websites simply because they had nothing to say. When they finally found something to say, they were more interested in getting their message out there in any form and lost the need for it to look unique and interesting.
The blog represents a tremendous step forward in publishing and pop-culture; a large step for humanity in some sense...
This is their *server* operating system, and generally runs quite nicely without a screen.
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Evan
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You can think of it as just a diary. Another way to think of it is as a content management system. With the site I'm playing with at the moment (see my homepage link if interested), I'm not using it as a diary at all. I'm using Blosxom and, with plugins provided and created on my own, I'm pretty much using it as a publishing system. I write articles, schedule their publishing date, and pretend people read them :-).
Why do people want something already made for them? Why reinvent the wheel. A good engineer is a lazy engineer. Best to get up and running quickly. Lots of reasons, I should think. For me, the search for the right software took longer than getting the site ready once I found it. Blosxom provides enough easy-to-use customizability that the site looks the way I want it to look.
Blog software is just a tool and a starting point. Take it wherever your imagination lets you.
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Does the author mean a NT4 style PDC or an Active Directory Domain Controller? My guess is NT4 PDC. However, if it is a Windows 2003 Native Mode compatible Domain Controller/Global Catalog, WOW! If it is NT4 PDC, yawn. Not too many folks are running those in the Enterprise, however, I do see the benefit of creating a migration path from Windows to Mac for old, small NT4 networks.
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
Documentation. OS X Server 10.3 ("Panther Server") is nice, but there are just too many areas that are poorly documented. My setup time would have been a quarter what it was if they had really excellent documentation. It's surprising, because Apple's docs on the consumer side are quite good. A lot of Apple's market is relatively inexperienced admins in SOHO or educational settings, and more HOWTO-type documentation would be wonderful.
.INI files show up in weird places in a user's roaming profile--having one of these suckers pop up upon login every time a user logs in is annoying. (This happens because SAMBA does not store the "Invisible System File" windows file attribute that would keep these files from being visible. There's a work-around but it's ugly and only partially effective). Also, more GUI-based control of security for Windows file sharing would be good--I don't want to have to dig into the bowels of samba just to learn how to disable LANMAN passwords.
VPN setup. This one needs some serious help. I (and a lot of other people on Apple's OS X Server Discussion Board) have had a great deal of difficulty getting PPTP working in Panther Server. I also managed to stump Apple's Premium support with a problem with L2TP. Still waiting to hear back, more than a week later.
Firewall setup. The Panther Server GUI interface for setting up firewalls is somewhat broken. Server Admin times out on trying to load mildly complicated rule-sets (say, a group of twelve IP ranges with 15 ports open). The default configuration doesn't make use of ipfw's stateful capabilities, and doesn't block UDP packets. They could really have a better interface and a better default ruleset, or at least an option to set up some stateful rules via the GUI. The setup they have for XML editing of the GUI's port list is cool, though, as is the ipfw.conf setup.
Windows Services / SAMBA. SAMBA still has some bugs and issues which make it annoying to use as a replacement for a Windows-based PDC. Apple should help out the open source community here. In particular, find a good solution to the problem where visible
Open Directory. Fix the bugs in Open Directory or Workgroup Manager that prevent entry of "City" (and certain other attributes) in user LDAP records. Set up a better means of storing contact information in the LDAP directory, and document how to configure Mac OS X clients to access it via Address Book.
Backup Solution. There are lots of third-party backup solutions out there for backing up an OS X Server, but none I completely trust to do a bare-metal restore and give me a bootable system. Carbon Copy Cloner? Had issues with it when backing up an iBook via Firewire, so I don't trust it. Rsync? Doesn't handle resource forks. RsyncX? Slower than rsync (too slow for network backup). This would probably be pretty simple for Apple to implement and integrate into Server Admin.
All in all, Panther Server is pretty good, and Tiger Server looks even better. I just hope Apple fixes these things so others are spared the trouble I went through.
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there's shitloads of blogs that have been started just because yet another guy wanted to just code his own blog, but later the guy realised he doesn't even want to blog or have anything worth blogging about else than the blog software, which let's face it, isn't that intresting even to other coders.
with a blog, like with any site worth visiting, the content matters more than the presentation!(as long as the presentation doesn't hide the content of course), the engine that actually pushes out the presentation(generates the html) matters even less to the reader.
why do you suppose that it would be good for people who don't know to code 'roll out their own blog'? why the hell not leverage on other peoples work when it is possible? or you only read blogs about making blogs which is the stupidest blogs out there with empty content like "I'm not sure what to write here now, but it sure is cool, peehoopeee aaall the way baby, I ruule, I wrote my own blog engine".
using the same tools other people use makes some things easier anyways, like migrating to another software later or being able to use tools other people wrote for the software, like j2me posting apps & etc...
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
As a method for handling ANY site which needs regular updating, blogs can't be beat.
Of course, make sure to check out manyforms, or do a lucky Google search for it...:o
why can't people just make things on their own from scratch (like I do, see my site), and try to make somthing unique and stand out from everyone else.
It's because people are more interested in using what they see as a new medium to express ideas. They are not interested in the implementation. Why would they write their own when something perfectly good exists that they can use now?
The camels are coming. I'm in love.
This is their new service so you can chat with people who live in a double-wide trailer. Kudos to Apple for finally making their technologies accessible to the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum!
We use an XServe G5 as a single sign-on and file server for a "lab" of about 14 FreeBSD and Windows XP machines. The computers are used as workstations (and occasionally for light numerical work) by theorists working on quantum information and quantum computation.
Macs seem to be quite popular among the quantum computing community. Ray Laflamme's group (U. of Waterloo and Perimeter Institute) uses them (although maybe they don't have an Xserve), and about 40% of the laptops at a recent quantum information conference I was at were PowerBooks.
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I really dislike the server pricing scheme as a home user. Yeah yeah yeah. I realize the Apple viewpoint of "why would home users need server software"? (I've asked them) But as a person who would like a single license for my G5 with a couple FreeBsd and Windows nodes, $500 for 10 licenses doesn;t work for me. It's unfortunate.
In a related note, is it possible to acquire certain server extensions (Blojsom or Jabber for example) and plug them into Tiger proper?
Umm... I can understand not liking a $500 price tag for *any* piece of software. But realistically, what other commercial server type OS are you going to buy for much less than Apple's price on OS X server? (If you're a student, work for the government in any capacity, or even serve in the military, you should already qualify for at least a small discount already - since Apple always offers that.)
I've never seen Novell offer a copy of Netware real cheap for home users just wanting to try using it for 1 or 2 workstations.... and Microsoft sure doesn't offer Windows 2003 Server at anything resembling "inexpensive pricing".
I think that's pretty much the reason for the popularity of Unix type open-source OS's in the first place. If you just want to tinker at home, Linux or BSD should do the job for you, and not cost you hundreds of dollars.
Since a lot of code is based on FreeBSD 5.x, check out rwatson's page on POSIX.1e.
ACLs in FreeBSD (and by extension "Tiger") are based on the last public draft of the POSIX.1e document (it was never ratified). The procedure will be the same as is done in Solaris and Linux(?).
chmod and chown do not affect ACLs; to do that you have to use setfacl . When you use ls you do not see the extra ACLs, but a '+' character after the traditional permissions. The '+' tells you that ACLs are present; to view them you have to use getfacl utility.
Yes, it's called the VFS layer (just as it is on other BSDs - and as it was in SunOS 2.0, which had a VFS layer before Linux existed; the BSD VFS layer is a bit like the one in various SunOS releases, although it's not the same).
Solaris is the ultimate at eating my asshole while tickling my nutsack with your nose.
Read slower and take in more content.
Every. Single. Thing. That. Sun. Is. First. To. Implement. Will. Appear. Later. On. Someone. Elses. OS. And. It. Will. Be. The. Shit. When. They. Do. It.
Being first and being better doesn't mean one God damned thing in this world. Being first to make noise with it does.
Moot point anyway. Mac and Linux will get "x" amount of applause for doing it after Sun (which gets no applause because they're Sun and this week they're your Java desktop company, next week they'll be your "delivering streaming monkey fucking apps to your PDA through your bunghole IN JAVA...plus we make Solaris company)
And then a couple of years later Windows will add it but it won't work right, be shot full of holes, and leave a steaming turd in your mouth right before it reboots (courtesy of the NAMBLA.SteamingTrd.Trojan virus) and they'll still be lined up 2,000 deep to buy it because they read about it in "Windows Dominator Weekly" magazine which they get sent free of charge and their boss thinks is where you learn this shit when you're not in MCSE classes.
It just doesn't matter Solarisman. It JUST DOESN'T MATTER.
You'd think a fucking Solaris fluffer would know better than to debate the futility of being better in Windows world with a Mac user wouldn't you. Well, you'd be wrong.
I link the keynote which is interesting.. Get modded to "flamebait"????. Maybe someone couldn't get a good connection?
Anyway here are the working links again..
Quicktime WWDC
or a more direct link
Anyway I finish watching. Interesting stuff. The system wide search is interesting. Like the google search service for your hard drive.
The the real time image/video effects. I do a lot of photoshop and the effects are really fast and leverage the video card GPU. The libraries will autodetect the card and use the card if applicable. 100+ effect libraries with the os to build into application.
They're working hard on the OS and it shows.
I have mod points, but I'd rather reply to this: why did this get moderated "Insightful"? At best, it's flamebait, but I'd rather think troll.
Where have you been the last, um, 10 or 15 years? Can't be bothered to just Google even for a second before going off like this?
I don't pretend to know much about ACLs or their history, but they have been part of many commercial UNIXes for quite some time (first time I came around them was on OSF/1), and they have been implemented semi-recently in Linux and the *BSDs. Samba has had ACL support since the late 2.x days, IIRC. And I have a hunch that Windows NT got it's model from adopting DCE.
So, let's think, what's Apple going to do? Considering that they track FreeBSD 5 closely, and FreeBSD 5 has ACLs?
especially considering NT 4.0 was a 64bit OS on Alpha back in 1996
Wrong - Windows NT for Alpha/AXP was NOT 64-bit. It used the Alpha's 32-bit mode. This was a well-known issue at the time. (I was working for government environmental monitoring facility at the time, and we had some company come in and demo NT on an AlphaServer for us, so I learned a thing or two about it.)
Also, Microsoft may have internal builds of 64-bit Windows, but no shipping products for IA64 or x86_64 so far. That's right, not one. So yes, MS is very much behind the curve. Linux was 64-bit on Alpha some time ago, for example.
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